Ten new Covid-19 cases reported

By THE NATION

 

 

Ten new Covid-19 cases were reported in state quarantine over a 24-period on Saturday, including two domestic cases and eight cases in the state quarantine.

 

 

The domestic cases were two Myanmar nationals in Tak province. They are a married couple, aged 63 and 53, who have been living in Thailand for several years and have a son who now works at the Mae Sot–Myawaddy goods transport checkpoint. Officials suspect that they contracted the virus from there.

 

The other cases included a Nepalese, aged 26, one from the United Arab Emirates, aged 24, a 43-year-old from the US, a 57-year-old from Poland, three people aged 22, 25, 56 from the UK, and and a 24-year-old from Japan. All of them, except the Nepalese, are Thai nationals.

 

Meanwhile, four Covid-19 patients have recovered and been discharged.

 

The total number of confirmed cases in Thailand has risen to 3,679 (736 in state quarantine),142 are in hospital and 3,478 have recovered and been discharged. The death toll remains unchanged at 59.

 

According to Worldometer, as of 10am on Saturday, the total number of confirmed cases worldwide had risen to 39.57 million (increasing by 412,917), 29.65 million have recovered and 1.1 million have died (up by 6,185).

 

Thailand ranks 143rd in number of cases, while the US tops the list with 8.28 million, followed by India 7.43 million, Brazil 5.2 million, Russia 1.36 million and Spain 982,423.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30396364

 

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Strange that everyone with Corona positive test stays in hospital, even asymptomatic people 

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Strange that everyone with Corona positive test stays in hospital, even asymptomatic people 

How is that strange?
That's the best way to prevent these people from spreading the infection further. 
This is only doable though because there are few cases.

1 hour ago, jybkk said:

How is that strange?
That's the best way to prevent these people from spreading the infection further. 
This is only doable though because there are few cases.

quarantine somewhere would be better than hospital, you can imagine the bill padding going on

Second wave building up.....only a wavelet at the moment but come January with these stupid schemes with visas to get Chinese here, we will soon end up with a tsunami. 

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Second wave building up.....only a wavelet at the moment but come January with these stupid schemes with visas to get Chinese here, we will soon end up with a tsunami. 

China and Thailand have herd immunity from late 2019/early 2020

Dear Lord. 10 Cases? Shut down all of the worlds airlines, banks, restaurants and all outside activities!

perfect timing. 

5 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Second wave building up.....only a wavelet at the moment but come January with these stupid schemes with visas to get Chinese here, we will soon end up with a tsunami. 

The first will arrive in a few days.................unbelievable that Chinese people, where the virus originated from, are allowed to enter Thailand. 

 

That doesn't make any sense, but too many things are very similar.

 

  Who needs a soldier who extends the emergency decree that his position is safe? 

 

    The draconian Emergency Decree on Public Administration in Emergency Situation provides authorities with broad powers to arrest individuals without charge and detain them in informal places of detention. Officials carrying out the duties under the decree enjoy legal immunity. The decree does not require access to legal counsel or visits by family members.

 

   https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/10/15/thailand-emergency-decree-pretext-crackdown

50 minutes ago, elephant45 said:

Dear Lord. 10 Cases? Shut down all of the worlds airlines, banks, restaurants and all outside activities!

And safe all prostitutes. Amen. 

An inflammatory post and a reply has been removed. 

14 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

China and Thailand have herd immunity from late 2019/early 2020

Not true.

15 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

China and Thailand have herd immunity from late 2019/early 2020

Anyone with half a brain knows you can't stop a virus until herd immunity is reached it's a basic scientifically proven fact.Herd immunity isn't a way to stop a virus it's the result.You can take the approach of Thailand and Sweden and let it rip and get it over with quickly or you can draw it out endlessly. 

1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Anyone with half a brain knows you can't stop a virus until herd immunity is reached it's a basic scientifically proven fact.Herd immunity isn't a way to stop a virus it's the result.You can take the approach of Thailand and Sweden and let it rip and get it over with quickly or you can draw it out endlessly. 

Until the advent of Covid herd immunity referred to having the whole community vaccinated. It was then usurped by the "Covid is just flu" brigade to mean letting the virus run rampant through the community until everyone has had it. This policy has 2 flaws, it will kill millions more people and it won't eradicate Covid. That is a scientifically proven fact.

 

Thailand didn't take that approach. Weren't you here for the lockdown? Even now, Covid has been eradicated in Thailand yet mask compliance is still greater than many Western countries and lockdown of the borders second to none.

 

Sweden? You're having a laugh.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1102257/cumulative-coronavirus-cases-in-the-nordics/

 

Not doing very well compared to its neighbours who did impose restrictions.

 

Sweden:   Cumulative Covid cases 96K      Cumulative Covid deaths 5.9k

 

Norway:   Cumulative Covid cases  13k     Cumulative Covid deaths 267

 

Denmark: Cumulative Covid cases  30k     Cumulative Covid deaths 643

 

Finland:   Cumulative Covid cases   10k    Cumulative Covid deaths 346

16 hours ago, cyril sneer said:

China and Thailand have herd immunity from late 2019/early 2020

Herd immunity my ass......what pills are you taking i need some.

 

More like selective reporting on actual numbers.

55 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Anyone with half a brain knows you can't stop a virus until herd immunity is reached it's a basic scientifically proven fact.Herd immunity isn't a way to stop a virus it's the result.You can take the approach of Thailand and Sweden and let it rip and get it over with quickly or you can draw it out endlessly. 

Thailand and Sweden doesn't have herd immunity.  That's been proven.  Herd immunity is best achieved with a jab.  Hopefully, most will take the jab.  If many don't, it won't be that effective.

 

Here in Thailand, the complete lock down of the country did the trick.  Just like New Zealand and other countries.  Nothing to do with herd immunity.

 

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

 

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

 

As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino).

2 local cases?

 

"If you think you are safe at Warp, you're wrong"

 

..... spoken in a deep Benedict Cumberbatch voice.

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Thailand and Sweden doesn't have herd immunity.  That's been proven.  Herd immunity is best achieved with a jab.  Hopefully, most will take the jab.  If many don't, it won't be that effective.

 

Here in Thailand, the complete lock down of the country did the trick.  Just like New Zealand and other countries.  Nothing to do with herd immunity.

 

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

 

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

 

As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino).

Lies, damn lies and Johns Hopkins.

 

They only collate and display reported data, and with huge differences in reporting criteria, testing rates and the behavior of the local people regarding seeking medical treatment, their figures are worthless.

 

Johns Hopkins world data reports were set up as a self publicity stunt by a private university to highlight population growth, but nobody took any notice, so they switched to COVID.  No real scientifiic research uses Johns Hopkins figures.

 

Do we really think Africa is doing so well?  Or that the figures for Indonesia, Egypt or India cover all the cases?  Would you trust the figures provided by Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea?

 

Nonesense presented in fancy graphs and used by lazy reporters is still nonsense.

52 minutes ago, polpott said:

This policy has 2 flaws, it will kill millions more people and it won't eradicate Covid. That is a scientifically proven fact.

Can you show me the evidence that shows that millions more will die if we let it rip?The numbers of deaths is declining throughout the world having peaked in mid April.The "drag it out" approach is reeking havoc around the world for this virus with a IFR of 0.14% by WHO estimates.The flu IFR is about 0.13%.

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Thailand didn't take that approach. Weren't you here for the lockdown? Even now, Covid has been eradicated in Thailand yet mask compliance is still greater than many Western countries and lockdown of the borders second to none.

Thailand waited until late March before closing it's borders plenty of time for the virus to take hold and you think they magically eradicated it when no other country in the world was able to do so?About the only thing they eradicated was testing. 

How long do you propose lockdowns should remain if the virus is here to stay and will not be eradicated?Forever?Never to reopen due to fear of an ever present danger.

35 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Thailand and Sweden doesn't have herd immunity.  That's been proven.  Herd immunity is best achieved with a jab.  Hopefully, most will take the jab.  If many don't, it won't be that effective.

 

Here in Thailand, the complete lock down of the country did the trick.  Just like New Zealand and other countries.  Nothing to do with herd immunity.

 

https://time.com/5899432/sweden-coronovirus-disaster/

 

The Swedish COVID-19 Response Is a Disaster. It Shouldn’t Be a Model for the Rest of the World

 

As of Oct. 13, Sweden’s per capita death rate is 58.4 per 100,000 people, according to Johns Hopkins University data, 12th highest in the world (not including tiny Andorra and San Marino).

The UK did lockdowns and ended up with a higher per capita death rate than Sweden.So the UK model by your reasoning shouldn't be a model either.

29 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Can you show me the evidence that shows that millions more will die if we let it rip?The numbers of deaths is declining throughout the world having peaked in mid April.The "drag it out" approach is reeking havoc around the world for this virus with a IFR of 0.14% by WHO estimates.The flu IFR is about 0.13%.

Thailand waited until late March before closing it's borders plenty of time for the virus to take hold and you think they magically eradicated it when no other country in the world was able to do so?About the only thing they eradicated was testing. 

How long do you propose lockdowns should remain if the virus is here to stay and will not be eradicated?Forever?Never to reopen due to fear of an ever present danger.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/16/we-cannot-rely-on-magical-thinking-herd-immunity-is-not-a-plan/

 

"Historically, herd immunity has been achieved only through the use of vaccines. Trying to achieve herd immunity against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, without a vaccine is an idea that has come into vogue. But it is a misguided and dangerous approach that would not bring life back to normal, and would lead to the deaths of 500,000 or more Americans."

 

Many more articles in the same vein . Google it.

 

You really believe that Covid is rife in Thailand?

 

Its been said many times, "Where are the bodies? Where are the overflowing hospitals?"

 

Covid will be eradicated by global vaccination, true herd immunity, same as a number of other diseases.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The UK did lockdowns and ended up with a higher per capita death rate than Sweden.So the UK model by your reasoning shouldn't be a model either.

UK and Sweden very different models. Apples and oranges. Very different population distribution. Compare Sweden with its neighbours. A far more realistic comparison.

40 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The UK did lockdowns and ended up with a higher per capita death rate than Sweden.So the UK model by your reasoning shouldn't be a model either.

It's more than lock downs.  It's contact tracing, isolation of those in contact or sick, social distancing, masks, and a government that gets it.  Taiwan is a great case study.  You should read up on it.  Instead of constantly denying this is serious.

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Lies, damn lies and Johns Hopkins.

 

They only collate and display reported data, and with huge differences in reporting criteria, testing rates and the behavior of the local people regarding seeking medical treatment, their figures are worthless.

 

Johns Hopkins world data reports were set up as a self publicity stunt by a private university to highlight population growth, but nobody took any notice, so they switched to COVID.  No real scientifiic research uses Johns Hopkins figures.

 

Do we really think Africa is doing so well?  Or that the figures for Indonesia, Egypt or India cover all the cases?  Would you trust the figures provided by Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea?

 

Nonesense presented in fancy graphs and used by lazy reporters is still nonsense.

So where do you get your facts from?  Please tell. LOL

 

Johns Hopkins is the gold standard.  Except for CV19 deniers.

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

https://www.statnews.com/2020/10/16/we-cannot-rely-on-magical-thinking-herd-immunity-is-not-a-plan/

 

"Historically, herd immunity has been achieved only through the use of vaccines. Trying to achieve herd immunity against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes Covid-19, without a vaccine is an idea that has come into vogue. But it is a misguided and dangerous approach that would not bring life back to normal, and would lead to the deaths of 500,000 or more Americans."

 

Many more articles in the same vein . Google it.

 

You really believe that Covid is rife in Thailand?

 

Its been said many times, "Where are the bodies? Where are the overflowing hospitals?"

 

Historically pandemics have also achieved natural herd immunity without vaccines for much longer than they have with vaccines.Don't get me wrong I think vaccines are great and welcome them, in the meantime you can do lockdowns or not.The WHO estimates 10% of the worlds population has been infected which gives an IFR of 0.14% same as flu.

What you've quoted is someone's opinion which is hardly scientific evidence of a "proven fact" that millions more will die if we let nature take it's course.People can try and lay the blame for the deaths onto people with differing opinions but nature is the real instigator of this pandemic and to try and attribute guilt to those that will let nature do it's thing is a bit of a weak argument in my opinion.

Do I think "that Covid is rife in Thailand?" No.Nor have I made that claim so not sure why you get the impression I do.I do believe it was rife as I'm convinced I had it in Jan/Feb I believe it's been and gone because of they 3600 deaths of viral pneumonia figures which were published earlier then the figures were blocked.

They burn the bodies pretty quickly here in Thailand so they don't pile up.There was one picture of one hospital in Italy that showed an over flowing hospital do you have any others?The same picture was used by news programs to show Australian hospitals over flowing but they got busted.

27 minutes ago, polpott said:

UK and Sweden very different models. Apples and oranges. Very different population distribution. Compare Sweden with its neighbours. A far more realistic comparison.

Is that the best you can come up with?That is just your opinion isn't it?It only more realistic because in your opinion it supports your argument.Sweden also says that comparing it with it's neighbours is "Apples and Oranges".What do you mean by different models?One used lockdowns and ended up with a higher death rate than the one that didn't which is pretty conclusive and kind of derails the lockdown argument.

 

1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Is that the best you can come up with?That is just your opinion isn't it?It only more realistic because in your opinion it supports your argument.Sweden also says that comparing it with it's neighbours is "Apples and Oranges".What do you mean by different models?One used lockdowns and ended up with a higher death rate than the one that didn't which is pretty conclusive and kind of derails the lockdown argument.

 

I've already explained why Sweden is a poor comparison to the UK. When comparing Sweden with its neighbours, the logical comparison, I didn't offer my opinion I quoted facts.

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

Without a definitive list of scientist agreeing or not how do you know that "most scientists agree"?This sounds like it's just your opinion in my opinion.From what I have read it seems to me that most scientists say that you can slow the spread of the virus but you can't stop the virus.

Which is true. Slowing the spread reduces the number of people infected and the number of dead.

 

As I've already said, the only realistic means of eradicating Covid is through mass vaccination. Lockdowns, masks etc. are a very effective means of reducing the number of infection/deaths until that can be achieved.

18 minutes ago, polpott said:

Which is true. Slowing the spread reduces the number of people infected and the number of dead.

 

As I've already said, the only realistic means of eradicating Covid is through mass vaccination. Lockdowns, masks etc. are a very effective means of reducing the number of infection/deaths until that can be achieved.

Interesting thing I read today.  Here's how Taiwan dealt with CV19. And is the gold standard globally.  I'll try to get a written source, but it was in a podcast.

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it's not lock down vs. open up.

Once you do the lock down, put in place national testing, tracing and isolation of infected.  Need to give respect to the health experts.  

 

Taiwan had an outbreak.  They put in quarantine 1% of their population, 250,000 people, who were either infected or been in contact with those infected, for 2 weeks.  This allowed the other 99% to go on with their lives.  NO lock down.  Normal lives.

 

Taiwan's model?  Developed by a doctor trained at Johns Hopkins University, using their tools and guidance. 

 

11 minutes ago, polpott said:

Which is true. Slowing the spread reduces the number of people infected and the number of dead.

 

As I've already said, the only realistic means of eradicating Covid is through mass vaccination. Lockdowns, masks etc. are a very effective means of reducing the number of infection/deaths until that can be achieved.

Slowing the spread slows down the number of infection and slows down the time it takes for the deaths to occur rather than reducing the number is what I understood the experts were saying.I've heard it said that all pandemics eventually end with or without vaccines which have only been around for a relatively short time historically speaking so I disagree that vaccines are the "only" realistic means of eradicating the virus.I don't disagree that vaccines can be very effective in helping to eradicating the virus.Mankind's immune systems are apparently still quite mysterious and not so well understood so we don't really get the full picture of what is happening in regards to immunity to this virus and is still a work in progress.It's sad what is happening and people are trying to do the best they can to deal with it but deal with it we shall even if some of the things we do are considered mistakes if we can identify the mistakes the we should be able to learn from them.