30 minutes ago, Tug said:

Don’t worry he will he’s also smart enough to delegate the response to qualified people and stay out of their way and give them the tools to succeed.He certainly won’t be traveling around the country spreading lies and disease 

I hear his people are preparing remodeling plans for the White House basement right now.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

They grew by 120,000 yesterday in the liberals beloved EU (that's an 800k + weekly rate)...I guess Merkel, Macron, et al., also fell off the ladder.

Do you have the  death  toll as a percentage of the  EU population at hand? And  the  relative  socio economic  capacity to cope with a pandemic  compared to the  USA ?

Do you also  make the erroneous assumption that all member  countries of  the EU  have some  blanket equivalence  in  economic  capacity to  cater to a pandemic ?

It would and should  be that the "USA" has a federal and equal  capacity but that concept has been  denied by Trump ! Partisan  loyalty is the  existential  demise  of the  comical title of  the USA !

 

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

I was referring to China.

 

i thought you were referring to australia.

at least the chinese are allowed to venture out into the world.

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I said "no Western leader," that includes the entire political spectrum. The comparison was the US and EU...despite the differential policies over the Summer...they've ended up at more or less the same place...a large second wave of infections. 

 

why are we comparing "western" leaders?  so far as i'm aware, neither merkel nor makron nor putin are running for president of the usa.  it's irrelevant whether they ALSO bungled their response (to a lesser degree).

 

the comparison is not between the us and the eu or the ussr or whatever.  the comparison is between what trump failed to do, and what could or should have been done.

 

neither merkel nor makran, nor even putin, is responsible for 225,000 dead americans.  that's all on trump.

27 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Do you have the  death  toll as a percentage of the  EU population at hand? And  the  relative  socio economic  capacity to cope with a pandemic  compared to the  USA ?

Do you also  make the erroneous assumption that all member  countries of  the EU  have some  blanket equivalence  in  economic  capacity to  cater to a pandemic ?

It would and should  be that the "USA" has a federal and equal  capacity but that concept has been  denied by Trump ! Partisan  loyalty is the  existential  demise  of the  comical title of  the USA !

 

The point is that Biden, the Democrat Party, the media, and liberals in general spent the past 5 months lambasting President Trump and the US response to the virus, while simultaneously generally praising the European response. There were also regular pompous media reports and self-congratulatory op-eds in the media of people leaving the US for Europe because of their supposed better handling of the virus. As the numbers now show, while Europe did have some success in tamping down the  virus at first (after its horrific breakout in Italy), they too dropped the ball and opened-up too early and now have new cases much higher than the US at present. Again, the point is to show that no country has done as good as they could have for many reasons, political, legal,  cultural, etc. It looks like a long cold Winter for much of the world. 

 

From The New York Times website...

 

Covid-19 Live Updates: As Cases Surge, Europe Weighs Nationwide Lockdowns

 

[C]ountries like France, Italy and Britain reporting their highest death toll in months, and Germany facing soaring cases this week, the authorities are now scrambling to reimpose drastic measures to curb a surge in infections and hospitalizations that could result in more deaths than during the first wave of the pandemic

 

In Germany, amid record infections, Chancellor Merkel is set to propose a plan to close restaurants, bars, gyms, theaters and museums...

5 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

why are we comparing "western" leaders?  so far as i'm aware, neither merkel nor makron nor putin are running for president of the usa.  it's irrelevant whether they ALSO bungled their response (to a lesser degree).

 

the comparison is not between the us and the eu or the ussr or whatever.  the comparison is between what trump failed to do, and what could or should have been done.

 

neither merkel nor makran, nor even putin, is responsible for 225,000 dead americans.  that's all on trump.

The numbers would have been the same under any president.

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The point is that Biden, the Democrat Party, the media, and liberals in general spent the past 5 months lambasting President Trump and the US response to the virus, while simultaneously generally praising the European response. There were also regular pompous media reports and self-congratulatory op-eds in the media of people leaving the US for Europe because of their supposed better handling of the virus. As the numbers now show, while Europe did have some success in tamping down the  virus at first (after its horrific breakout in Italy), they too dropped the ball and opened-up too early and now have new cases much higher than the US at present. Again, the point is to show that no country has done as good as they could have for many reasons, political, legal,  cultural, etc. It looks like a long cold Winter for much of the world. 

Acknowledged. But which  nation has yet denied or ignored the  reality of the  reality or  risk from outset other to such a public sacrificial degree than Trump?

36 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

If he wins...hopefully he can stay awake; but we all know who will be the real president.

I have high hopes for Kamala.

6 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Acknowledged. But which  nation has yet denied or ignored the  reality of the  reality or  risk from outset other to such a public sacrificial degree than Trump?

None (including the United States) ???????? 

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I have high hopes for Kamala.

Just too bad she could never get the presidency on her own...didn't win a single primary and the first candidate to drop out of the race. She has to hide behind a 78 yeal-old dude to get there...some good presidential timber there.

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Just too bad she could never get the presidency on her own...didn't win a single primary and the first candidate to drop out of the race. Some real good presidential timber there.

Apparently Trump supporters care, no one else.

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

Apparently Trump supporters care, no one else.

Nobody in the Democrat Party thought much of her either...not a single primary win and first to drop out ????????????????

12 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

None (including the United States) ???????? 

I can find  no evidence to  agree. Nor do I wish  to continue the issue. I wish  you well in  what I  conclude is your degree of  delusion.

12 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nobody in the Democrat Party thought much of her either...not a single primary win and first to drop out ????????????????

Again, only Trump defenders seem to care.

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, only Trump defenders seem to care.

They'll care alright if someone completely untested and unqualified gets into the oval office by the back door.

34 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

They'll care alright if someone completely untested and unqualified gets into the oval office by the back door.

The present oval office user is totally untested and unqualified. So why worry about Kamala.

Trump has

 

• an absolutly disgusting character,

• an uncredible incompetence,

• an intelligence, insufficient to finish a highschool (at least in Germany)

• an egomania

 

he is

• the liar in person,

• untrustworthy

• unreliable

• stupid like a stone

• very lazy

• ignorant

• a cheater

…...... the list goes on. Summarized, a shabby personality.

 

It seemes this have been the required qualifications in the US to be elected as a POTUS in November 2016. At least the REPs have not been ashamed to nominate such a lousy candidate for this job.

 

And that happened just before America has had chosen one of the most intelligent, likable and reliable man for this job: Obama.

 

To elect such an unqualified dilettante is a symbol of STUPIDITY. All who have chosen Trump and are going on to defend all his failures show us that they deserve the same judgment.

 

I hope that I can change my judgement after November 3.

Yes, that aside, what do you really think of the current President?

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

The present oval office user is totally untested and unqualified. So why worry about Kamala.

The current president was thoroughly tested and vetted and won a primary contest against 17 other Republican candidates, in addition to winning an election in his own right...Ms. Harris will have done none of that.

25 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The current president was thoroughly tested and vetted and won a primary contest against 17 other Republican candidates, in addition to winning an election in his own right...Ms. Harris will have done none of that.

It won't be any worse once she is in the oval office. Frustrated much, just like your brethren who worry about Kamala.

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It won't be any worse once she is in the oval office. Frustrated much, just like your brethren who worry about Kamala.

I just find it interesting that some are so hot for a President Harris, when no one in her own party even wanted her as a candidate.

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I just find it interesting that some are so hot for a President Harris, when no one in her own party even wanted her as a candidate.

You are a trump supporter so why worry about what others think.

3 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You are a trump supporter so why worry about what others think.

I'm not worried...that's your wording; I said it was interesting. I'd be worried if such an unvetted and untested person became president because I care about my country.

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You are a trump supporter so why worry about what others think.

As I said, only Trump supporters care about this, must be their frustrations, and realisations they're losing finally sleeping through in the back of their minds.

Stay on topic or face a suspension.  This topic isn't about Kamala Harris. 

 

36 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'm not worried...that's your wording; I said it was interesting. I'd be worried if such an unvetted and untested person became president because I care about my country.

But trump is going to win in a landslide. So who cares.

PS said: "I'd be worried if such an unvetted and untested person became president because I care about my country".

 

Oh my, that has to be the statement to end all statements.....

 

Why would anybody who cared about their country elect someone who was unintelligent, a compulsive liar, a racist, a bankrupt, stole from charities, cheated on his wife, was a misogynist, and has no idea about what is going on in the world around him, if they really cared about their country.

 

Instead of "draining the swamp" he has added to it with a vengeance and made it a family concern as far as gaining profits from his position is concerned. A thoroughly unlikeable and poor excuse for a human being.

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'm not worried...that's your wording; I said it was interesting. I'd be worried if such an unvetted and untested person became president because I care about my country.

 

Who can be worse, more incompetent and dumber than Trump ????

If you would have a brain - a little bit bigger than that of a cat -   you would know the answer. If you are not able to think about this, the giant majority in the world - except the REPs -  is laughing about stupid America electing such an  idi@t . And don't let me talk about the idiotic fact that the leader of a land can be elected with the minority of the voters!

18 minutes ago, puck2 said:

 

Who can be worse, more incompetent and dumber than Trump ????

If you would have a brain - a little bit bigger than that of a cat -   you would know the answer. If you are not able to think about this, the giant majority in the world - except the REPs -  is laughing about stupid America electing such an  idi@t . And don't let me talk about the idiotic fact that the leader of a land can be elected with the minority of the voters!

 

Who can be worse? Let me see, er, the other guy, George? Ah heck, his name slips my mind now. 

20 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Who can be worse? Let me see, er, the other guy, George? Ah heck, his name slips my mind now. 

 

Compared to Trump, George (W.) seems to be very intelligent.