Dialemco Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Covid is mutating and will not go away. For now Thailand should only admit it's own citizens into quarantine and forget about all foreign tourists even from low risk countries 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madeline Thompson Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 hours ago, KannikaP said: What are the state of emergency rules please, anyone? Apparently, there are none. There is no elected parliament to challenge the Prime Minister's decision-making, Cabinet are either from his own political party or his military confidants. That is the last thing that I have heard on this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dialemco Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, laosnative said: I agree and sympathise, but don't forget, Laos borders are still closed, to all but a select few, even laos visa holders cannot get back in, and certainly not tourists via thailand at this present time. I am still hoping that Asean neighbours, maybe with the exception of Burma, can come up with some sort of reciprocal arrangement. Correct unfortunately tourism is just not going to happen whilst Covid so active and mutating becoming even more deadly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Madeline Thompson Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Percy P said: I think the CV is here to stay like the Flu ,Cold virus .One will have to take preventive measures like we do now. These decrees have nothing to do with covid - in comparison with the rest of the world Thailand has had very very few cases; within it's own borders, the covid cases are far fewer than Dengue fever - granted that medical issue is carried by mosquitos. Nevertheless - no one's declared dictatorial powers over it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 A cabinet made up of anti democracy old ex army and police are ensuring no whites or residents can return. What's wrong everything sounds normal..???? 22 hours ago, webfact said: Cabinet extends state of emergency for Covid by another month By The Nation The Cabinet has agreed to extend the state of emergency to curb the Covid-19 pandemic by another month from the end of October, deputy government spokesperson Traisuree Taisaranakul said on Wednesday. This is the eighth time that the state of emergency has been extended. Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30396914 -- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-10-28 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Thai ex army and police extend emergency for another month. Oh sorry cabinet ????????????. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreqFlyer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 hours ago, 3MagicBeers said: I'm a hotel owner in Laos. 90% of tourist arrivals into Laos come via Thailand (mainly Suvarnaphoum) as its transit hub, so this decision is a further blow to the 1,000s of hotels, guesthouses, restaurants and all their employees that have lost their jobs since March. In all honesty, I believe Laos will turn its back to TH and start looking towards Viet Nam as a transit hub. Its important to know that decisions made by TH also severely and directly affect all regional neighbours. Fingers crossed. Vietnam isn't opening up either. And frankly, I don't believe your claim. Chinese travelers to Laos arrive directly from China and are thus unaffected by what Thailand does. Only farang tend to travel via Thailand and the obsession with using Thailand as a transit hub is something that I could never really understand. Anyway, the world remains closed and Laos is stubbornly refusing to open it's borders with Thailand either, so i think the blame can go both ways. The world may never be the same again, so your rant shows you don't have any clue what is actually going on here, especially on a geopolitical level. Besides, THAI Airways is bankrupt and this is the reason for transit flights not being allowed yet. Laos has yet to open it's airspace either. And Vietnam is operating but one weekly flight to Vientiane, mainly for repatriation purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 20 hours ago, 3MagicBeers said: In all probability, Vietnam will already have an exit plan ready, and will open her borders way before Thailand. TH is just so unpredictable at the moment. Someone posted on Facebook today that the Viet Gov't. stated yesterday they will not open the borders to foreign tourists until there is a vaccine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, 3MagicBeers said: In all probability, Vietnam will already have an exit plan ready, and will open her borders way before Thailand. TH is just so unpredictable at the moment. Someone posted on Facebook today that the Viet Gov't. stated yesterday they will not open the borders to foreign tourists until there is a vaccine. I cannot verify. Edited October 29, 2020 by JimmyJ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreqFlyer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 11 minutes ago, JimmyJ said: Someone posted on Facebook today that the Viet Gov't. stated yesterday they will not open the borders to foreign tourists until there is a vaccine. That wouldn't surprise me. After all, this is global and in the end nearly all countries will have similar entry regulations. However, the usual suspects never miss an opportunity for Thai bashing and making up wild, unsubstantiated theories about their darling Vietnam opening up before Thailand when in fact, Thailand opened up for foreign nationals married to Thais 3 months before Vietnam allowed the same in their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrobay Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 23 minutes ago, Dialemco said: Correct unfortunately tourism is just not going to happen whilst Covid so active and mutating becoming even more deadly Just the opposite via natural selection : Random mutations like the D614G increase the survival of the virus: More infective but less lethal to the host . https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-mutation-idUSKCN25E08Y 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3MagicBeers Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, TheFreqFlyer said: Vietnam isn't opening up either. And frankly, I don't believe your claim. Chinese travelers to Laos arrive directly from China and are thus unaffected by what Thailand does. Only farang tend to travel via Thailand and the obsession with using Thailand as a transit hub is something that I could never really understand. Anyway, the world remains closed and Laos is stubbornly refusing to open it's borders with Thailand either, so i think the blame can go both ways. The world may never be the same again, so your rant shows you don't have any clue what is actually going on here, especially on a geopolitical level. Besides, THAI Airways is bankrupt and this is the reason for transit flights not being allowed yet. Laos has yet to open it's airspace either. And Vietnam is operating but one weekly flight to Vientiane, mainly for repatriation purposes. It wasn't a rant, just giving my opinion and observation. With 'tourist arrivals' I refer to western tourists that fill most of the hotels and bring in the vast majority of income to Luang Prabang. No Chinese arrivals are currently being allowed in via Boten apart from 'essential' workers in the construction, infrastructure or dam industries. Not sure what THAI's bankruptcy has to do with transit flights. Pre lockdown most flights VTE-LP-BKK were Bangkok Airways, Lao Airlines, Air Asia etc. I haven't heard of Vietnam flights operating now. As far as I know there are only 2 weekly flights to China (essential workers), domestic flights and occasional charter flights for repatriation via Incheon. Vietnam is making the most positive noises regarding a reopening next year compared to TH, so it would make sense for Laos and VN to reopen their borders with each other first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisH Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 3 hours ago, NorthernRyland said: AP news is misleading us. The death and hospitalization rates are not high enough to overwhelm hospitals, unless people are simply going to the hospital for being infected, and even then how could this be possible? There were 61k INFECTIONS per day for the entire population of 320 million. There are only ab out 90000 ICU beds in the entire country. Some counties in Texas are runnign out of beds and patients are being more to other hospitals. 500K infections this week in the US and it is going to get much worse there and Europe also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFreqFlyer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, 3MagicBeers said: It wasn't a rant, just giving my opinion and observation. With 'tourist arrivals' I refer to western tourists that fill most of the hotels and bring in the vast majority of income to Luang Prabang. No Chinese arrivals are currently being allowed in via Boten apart from 'essential' workers in the construction, infrastructure or dam industries. Not sure what THAI's bankruptcy has to do with transit flights. Pre lockdown most flights VTE-LP-BKK were Bangkok Airways, Lao Airlines, Air Asia etc. I haven't heard of Vietnam flights operating now. As far as I know there are only 2 weekly flights to China (essential workers), domestic flights and occasional charter flights for repatriation via Incheon. Vietnam is making the most positive noises regarding a reopening next year compared to TH, so it would make sense for Laos and VN to reopen their borders with each other first. It has a lot to do with it. THAI Airways operates the bulk of intercontinental flights from Europe and Australia, transiting Thailand and offering connecting service to Laos. Bangkok Airways offers only regional flights, but with borders closed, including laos, they are only offering rare repatriation flights until further notice. Air Asia doesn't allow connecting flights; they only do point to point services. How can one transit Bangkok to get to Laos when that country is closed to nearly everyone and there are no flights operating? Even those few countries in the region permitting transit passengers are operating with stringent conditions - like Singapore, you need to be connecting through on a Singapore Airlines flight. You can't change airlines in Singapore, which would require you to clear customs. Same as will apply in thailand should THAI Airways get off the ground again in the coming months. You seem to have some kind of hostility towards Thailand and pretend that it's only Thailand which is closed, when it's the entire region (and world). It simply isn't possible to travel freely like it was before march and that is likely to continue for the foreseeable future. You would have a point if the rest of the world were open and Thailand wasn't, but this simply isn't true. As for your claim that only westerners fill the hotels in Luang Prabang when from personal experience I've noticed that at least a quarter to as many as half of all visitors are Thais and Chinese, as well as Koreans and Vietnamese, it again shows you don't know what actually goes on; Chinese visitors easily bring in as much revenue as all westerners combined. Chinese can arrive in Luang Prabang via numerous means (during normal times). There are daily Kunming-Luang Prabang flights. Also, Jinghong-Luang Prabang. Plenty of flights from Kunming, Nanning, Guangzhou, and charter flights from Changzhou and Changsha arriving into Vientiane daily. Many Chinese drive their own cars to Laos. They are permitted to drive around the country, whereas in the reverse direction, Lao plated cars are only permitted to travel as far as Jinghong. Then you have Kunming-Vientiane, Kunming-Luang Prabang and Mengla-Vientiane buses. At least 25% of all tourists to Laos are Chinese and thus at best, 40-60% of Lao bound arrivals come from Thailand, many across the land borders. In fact, few backpackers choose to fly. The Chinese market will pick up long before westerners arrive into Laos. That you can be sure of. In the future, more than half of all visitors to Laos will be Chinese. Vietnam isn't making any noises about reopening to tourists; I read e vn Express daily and haven't noticed anything in particular. The original July reopening came and went. Thailand is...if you read this forum you'll find every second article is about reopening to tourists, even if some articles contradict each other. And Vietnam will likely require a vaccine first before admitting anyone. So don't get your hopes up. It's a LONG road ahead. Edited October 29, 2020 by TheFreqFlyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheFreqFlyer Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 55 minutes ago, tomauasia said: A cabinet made up of anti democracy old ex army and police are ensuring no whites or residents can return. What's wrong everything sounds normal..???? Thai ex army and police extend emergency for another month. Oh sorry cabinet ????????????. Yet "whites" are returning everyday. In some cases in larger numbers than Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DavisH Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Dialemco said: Correct unfortunately tourism is just not going to happen whilst Covid so active and mutating becoming even more deadly Viruses don't mutate to become more deadly. They generally become more mild, and this has been shown many times. Look at the secodn wave in Europe. They death rate is far lower than during the first wave, even though this infection rate is much higher now. The same will occure after the 3rd, 4th and 5th waves....the death rate will continue to decrease, especially as more and more young people become infected. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, NanLaew said: Sounds pretty much like the simple Covid-19 prevention requirements of about 193 other nations that DO NOT need a SoE to enforce compliance. That is very true, however, many of the people in some of those countries are clearly not following the basic guidelines, and that is one of the reasons why they have much higher Covid numbers compared with Thailand. Edited October 29, 2020 by Kaopad999 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post johng Posted October 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 29, 2020 9 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said: they have much higher Covid numbers compared with Thailand. They also have a much higher rate of testing the more you test for it the more you you will find. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, johng said: They also have a much higher rate of testing the more you test for it the more you you will find. Less testing due to fewer symptoms & actual covid cases. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaopad999 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 17 minutes ago, johng said: They also have a much higher rate of testing the more you test for it the more you you will find. So please explain why you would test for Covid if you did not have any symptoms in the first place? Or maybe i'm missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dash Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, DavisH said: Viruses don't mutate to become more deadly. It is not a virus disease but an immunological problem. the vaste majority of humans have a immune cell population indifferent to a infection with the corona virus. The "not indifferent" cell population produces nonsense antibodies and/or incompetend immune cells until the body is exhausted and/or the blood vessels are blocked with immune aggregates and immune cells. That is the reason why there is no relation between number of detected infections and number of fatalities. It looks like all Thais have the same good immunsystem as they they are all related to each other, all are brothers and sisters in remote locations. This is what is known from corona virus and cats, there is a not working vaccine in many vet cabinets. Edited October 29, 2020 by dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 59 minutes ago, TheFreqFlyer said: Yet "whites" are returning everyday. In some cases in larger numbers than Thais. You are dreaming it's been near impossible for married and retired residents to re enter. I list this as spam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 13 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said: Or maybe i'm missing something? You/anyone can have "The WuFlu" and show no symptoms or very mild symptoms..if you test for it you will find it if you don't test then obviously it won't be found and low infection rates can be claimed. Also if you don't test but the patient dies you call it something else like "viral pneumonia" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomauasia Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, DavisH said: Viruses don't mutate to become more deadly. They generally become more mild, and this has been shown many times. Look at the secodn wave in Europe. They death rate is far lower than during the first wave, even though this infection rate is much higher now. The same will occure after the 3rd, 4th and 5th waves....the death rate will continue to decrease, especially as more and more young people become infected. Yes correct there's no reason not to allow entry with solid prior testing from selected countries. Need new gov simple. Enough is enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalasin Jo Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 22 hours ago, 3MagicBeers said: In all probability, Vietnam will already have an exit plan ready, and will open her borders way before Thailand. TH is just so unpredictable at the moment. Always unpredictable! It's in their blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuzmabruk Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 On 10/28/2020 at 2:50 PM, Laughing Gravy said: Really, I thought Thailand was and has been COVID free for a while. This would suggest that we are being told a pack of lies. Or is there another reason? Only if you are using ThaiVisa as your news source for what is happening in Thailand, are you being not so much lied to as mislead. Everyday in the Thai news on TV people are brought up to date with what is the current situation. Such as the mention of the three foreigners (one from Sudan and two from Qatar) who tested positive. Broaden your source of information or petition ThaiVisa to report the news - all the news that is of interest to foreigners. That would be (1) COVID-19, (2) immigration, and (3) road accidents, which everybody loves. Especially my wife who turns on the TV at 6am to catch the morning accident report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike k Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Does anyone really think this is ever going away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacessit Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mike k said: Does anyone really think this is ever going away It will, but not for quite a while. The state of emergency is a convenient mask, there could be regulations in place to control the pandemic without any necessity for a state of emergency. I forget who it was said delay is the deadliest form of denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truth Will Set You Free Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 I am down with the protectors for change. The government is allowing the Chinese in and who will benefit from it? “The Thai Chinese.” Maybe the police can pull guard duty watching over them at the same time get some of the money they claim they did not get for the pandemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TERMINATOR3AB Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Yet they let the Chinese back in? Amazing Thailand Sorry no..... Good Luck Thailand today ..your luck is running out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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