When for over 4 years you put not only question marks, but took really every step to bring US governmental bodies in discredit except of course your own indefinite wisdom, your unlimited wisdom, lies about everything, brought is country far in front of the rest of the world in corona mortal casualties and infected, even claim a victory days before all voters are counted, try to stop counting when it turns wrong to you, come with accusations of stealing the vote, crocked, fake etc about the cote counting,  ... sorry, you lost all credibility and should face court.  How deep somebody can sink..

3 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

You are not making any sense now????????

Over and out on this one.

This is what 45 tweeted:

 

"STOP THE COUNT!"

 

(Here is the Tweet:)

 

 

 

At that time Biden held an EV lead, so it was pointed out to 45 that if vote counting was stopped, 45 would lose.  He then changed his tune and found another thing to whine about. he is currently blaming Twitter for blocking his Tweets that contain provably false information. As a private company, Twitter can do what it likes.

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

Have you ever met any Americans?

I have and I have stayed there for a couple of months, with some very good friends now living in St Augustin, and they were lovely people.

 

However I've met a few here and I can't say the same thing, and one in particular would probably qualify as one of the "proud boys" and states that he has been in law enforcement for most of his life and has never seen any racism, and when I asked him what he thought about trump having to pay back over $2 million to the charities he stole from, he vehemently denied that it ever happened – – yet it was all over the news.

 

Another case of cognitive dissonance (if that is the right description) and these supporters seem to have a lot of that.

What a dumpster fire trump is the poster boy of a sore loser he’s a disgrace 

9 minutes ago, Tug said:

What a dumpster fire trump is the poster boy of a sore loser he’s a disgrace 

LOL 4 years of Russiagate 

7 hours ago, robblok said:

Luckily these lies won't be worth much without proof. He can't take things to court without any proof. But it scary how low he can sink. But many predicted this before and its on par with his MO. 

Its also scary what he could do with state secrets...sell them to the Russians to pay his debts?

5 minutes ago, DavisH said:

Its also scary what he could do with state secrets...sell them to the Russians to pay his debts?

 

I think he'll be closely watched. Would be more worried about him talking too much in public, interviews and such.

3 hours ago, cmarshall said:

Biden is going to have to function without the US Senate.  McConnell will not confirm any of Biden judicial appointments up to and including to the Supreme Court.  In fact, I expect McConnell to refuse to confirm any Cabinet appointments from Biden, because why should he?

 

Sounds like a major problem, but maybe not.  What Biden should do is to just tell his appointees to move into their offices and start performing their functions.  In fact, Trump has already been doing just that.  A court determined that the acting Secretary of Homeland Security has been filling his post illegally.  Nothing happened.  The guy is still there getting a paycheck.

 

If McConnell pulls a Merrick Garland on him, Biden should just send his appointee over to the Supreme Court to start performing his duties as an associate justice under the theory that the Senate's failure to advise or consent itself constitutes consent.  

 

I expect Trump to resign his office to enable President Pence to pardon him for federal crimes.  He will still probably flee the country to avoid prosecution in NY State.

 

Watch out for Clarence Thomas to resign his seat on the Supreme Court to allow McConnell to ram through a lame-duck appointment.

 

I wonder if the same level of antagonism and animosity will prevail post-Trump, at least in the Senate. A lot of things were said during the campaign, but that's how these things go. Politicians are used to it. Not brotherly love, but perhaps less obstructionism for its own sake. Biden, IMO, could mend some bridges there.

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

This one speaks for itself:

Arizona voters sue Maricopa County over Sharpie use at polling sites, as officials say votes will count

Several voters in Maricopa County, the largest in Arizona, brought a lawsuit Wednesday against Democratic County Recorder Adrian Fontes, the county Board of Supervisors and others, claiming that the use of Sharpie permanent markers at some polling sites left ballots too damaged to be counted.

 

After an investigation was opened into the matter by Republican Attorney General Mark Brnovich in Arizona, county and election officials have sought to reassure voters who may have used such a marker.

Democratic Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, whose office oversees elections statewide, told Arizona's in-person voters that their regular ballot would be counted, no matter what kind of pen was used to fill it out.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/az-voters-file-lawsuit-against-maricopa-county-after-sharpiegate

 

And SharpieGate is on.....needs some work as to fit the QAnon canon.

"If you count the legal votes I easily win,"

 

"If you wouldn't be such a liar, you might have won."

3 hours ago, DogNo1 said:

Trump spoke too soon but the facts are that Republican lawyers are investigating voting “irregularities” in various locations.  We have yet to see whether they constitute voting fraud.

If Joe Biden wins, he will have the right to appoint 4,000 people to various government positions so the government will actually change character. People only seem to be thinking of the distribution side of socialism.  The generous programs are going to be paid for by our increased taxes.  Fortunately, we seem to have held the Senate and picked some additional representatives.

 

"The generous programs are going to be paid for by our increased taxes."

 

Unlike The Wall, which was paid for by Mexi...oh.

33 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I have and I have stayed there for a couple of months, with some very good friends now living in St Augustin, and they were lovely people.

 

However I've met a few here and I can't say the same thing, and one in particular would probably qualify as one of the "proud boys" and states that he has been in law enforcement for most of his life and has never seen any racism, and when I asked him what he thought about trump having to pay back over $2 million to the charities he stole from, he vehemently denied that it ever happened – – yet it was all over the news.

 

Another case of cognitive dissonance (if that is the right description) and these supporters seem to have a lot of that.

I'd go to church every Sunday for one year, if Trump would have to live under a bridge for the rest of his life.

But no, the homeless wouldn't want him. 

1 hour ago, PattayaJames said:

LOL 4 years of Russiagate 

Trump takes lying stance as election swings towards Biden as for russa gate once trump is stripped of the mantle of potus and his pet ag billey Barr is removed I’m sure lots and lots of relevant information will come to light hummmm?

3 hours ago, marin said:

Uh, we as American people are in the process of voting Trump out right now. He is toast. Take a look at the UK they voted in Boris Johnson and look what is happening to them between Covid and Brexit.  Better re think your post mate.

 

But it was the American people that voted him in yay?

 

In any case, I cant help but think Democracy itself is being severely mocked throughout all this.

 

In a country that must have so much (younger) talent, y'all are forced to choose between these two?

 

So Biden is another default win when you consider the alternative.

 

Cรipes, how bad must poor Hillary Clinton feel right about now??

 

She was obviously so horrible that Americans actually preferred Trump rather than have her

in the whitehouse.

 

7 minutes ago, pookondee said:

 

But it was the American people that voted him in yay?

 

In any case, I cant help but think Democracy itself is being severely mocked throughout all this.

 

In a country that must have so much (younger) talent, y'all are forced to choose between these two?

 

So Biden is another default win when you consider the alternative.

 

Cรipes, how bad must poor Hillary Clinton feel right about now??

 

She was obviously so horrible that Americans actually preferred Trump rather than have her

in the whitehouse.

 

Do you understand that more Americans voted for Clinton than for Trump? Unless you are claiming that the only Americans are those 538 who are members of the Electoral College.

2 hours ago, J Town said:

Mueller made it clear himself that his detailed report was intended, in part, to “preserve the evidence” because “a President does not have immunity after he leaves office.”

 

If I were a betting man, seeing how SDNY fought all the way up to the Supreme Court to get 45's tax returns, I'd go all in for SDNY.

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/06/06/how-trump-could-be-prosecuted-after-the-white-house-227050

 

The US Attorney for the Southern District of New York, part of the US DoJ, had no role in the legal pursuit of Trump's tax returns.  Lawsuits were brought by Cyrus Vance, Jr., the District Attorney for Manhattan, under the supervision of the Attorney General of New York State, and members of the US House of Representatives.   

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

I wonder if the same level of antagonism and animosity will prevail post-Trump, at least in the Senate. A lot of things were said during the campaign, but that's how these things go. Politicians are used to it. Not brotherly love, but perhaps less obstructionism for its own sake. Biden, IMO, could mend some bridges there.

 

Be serious.  We are not talking about personal feelings here, but political strategies.  Just watch.  McConnell will not confirm a single judicial appointment of Biden's.  

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Do you understand that more Americans voted for Clinton than for Trump? Unless you are claiming that the only Americans are those 538 who are members of the Electoral College.

 

Yes, i do, but i jest.

Considering what Trump stands for and how he has performed, Hillary must feel pretty terrible that she couldn't even beat him convincingly.

2 hours ago, Walker88 said:

There are two things at play.

 

First, the State AG of NY already has 45 under investigation for numerous possible crimes, including bank and insurance fraud.  No Presidential Pardon can impact a State, so the NY AG can do as she pleases.

 

Second, assuming Biden wins, there is a new AG on 20 January 2021, and perhaps a new head of SDNY. They can pursue whatever charges they want against 45.

 

Letitia James, Attorney General for the State of NY, is definitely investigating Trump, but the Attorney General of NY has no connection to the SDNY, which is part of the DoJ.  Probably all of the 94 US Attorneys will be replaced by the new US Attorney General after January 20, but the decision whether to prosecute Trump will be certainly be made at higher levels than the US Attorney.

2 hours ago, J Town said:

SDNY prosecution isn't covered by a presidential pardon. His orange goose is COOKED!

You keep confusing SDNY which is part of the US DoJ and the Attorney General of the State of NY, which is part of the state government with no connection to the DoJ.

10 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Be serious.  We are not talking about personal feelings here, but political strategies.  Just watch.  McConnell will not confirm a single judicial appointment of Biden's.  

Given the runoff in GA, you are probably correct.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given the runoff in GA, you are probably correct.

 

I don't see the connection between the two runoff Senate elections coming up in Jan. and McConnell's likely drive to shutout Biden from making any appointments to the federal bench.  McConnell did the same thing to Obama and there were no runoff elections at issue then.

3 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

I don't see the connection between the two runoff Senate elections coming up in Jan. and McConnell's likely drive to shutout Biden from making any appointments to the federal bench.  McConnell did the same thing to Obama and there were no runoff elections at issue then.

Unless of course the runoff takes the Senate away from Mcconnell

Of course if the democrats win both Georgia runoffs they take control of the senate. But that seems quite unlikely. Georgia may be blue today but its still Georgia so I wouldn't get carried away.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unless of course the runoff takes the Senate away from Mcconnell

 

Well, sure, but then only if the Dems beat both Perdue and Loeffler in runoffs to reach 50 Senate seats.  Very unlikely.

2 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Well, sure, but then only if the Dems beat both Perdue and Loeffler in runoffs to reach 50 Senate seats.  Very unlikely.

Given Trump’s supporters were as late as yesterday tell us this was going to be a ‘Big Red Wave’ election I’m inclined to take that assessment with a large pinch of salt.

Just now, cmarshall said:

 

Well, sure, but then only if the Dems beat both Perdue and Loeffler in runoffs to reach 50 Senate seats.  Very unlikely.

 

But it turns out there is another way to Dem control of the Senate.  There are two Republican senators, Toomey of PA and another guy whose name I forget, who have both announced retirement at the end of their current terms in 2022.  Both of them represent states with a Democrat governor.  So, President Biden could offer Cabinet posts to each of them, which is a fine way to finish off a distinguished career in public service.  Could be Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of the Interior, for example.  Both are honored by the appointments and resign from the Senate.  The Democrat governors of PA and the other state naturally appoint Democrats to those Senate seats until the 2022 elections.  And then the Dems have 50 senators plus any seat they might pick up in the GA runoff elections.

 

Seems eminently feasible to me.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Given Trump’s supporters were as late as yesterday tell us this was going to be a ‘Big Red Wave’ election I’m inclined to take that assessment with a large pinch of salt.

 

The combined votes for Loeffler and Collins, her Trumpier-than-thou competitor on the right, far outnumbered Warnock's share.  But run-off elections have flukey participation rates, so maybe.

5 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

But it turns out there is another way to Dem control of the Senate.  There are two Republican senators, Toomey of PA and another guy whose name I forget, who have both announced retirement at the end of their current terms in 2022.  Both of them represent states with a Democrat governor.  So, President Biden could offer Cabinet posts to each of them, which is a fine way to finish off a distinguished career in public service.  Could be Secretary of Commerce and Secretary of the Interior, for example.  Both are honored by the appointments and resign from the Senate.  The Democrat governors of PA and the other state naturally appoint Democrats to those Senate seats until the 2022 elections.  And then the Dems have 50 senators plus any seat they might pick up in the GA runoff elections.

 

Seems eminently feasible to me.

Toomey is quite right wing. Why would he wabt to help realize policies that he doesn't agree with? 

39 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

 

Be serious.  We are not talking about personal feelings here, but political strategies.  Just watch.  McConnell will not confirm a single judicial appointment of Biden's.  

It's pretty much what the Republicans did to Obama.