Yeah, "nearly all", but all it takes is a couple of people who don't get detected, and then it'll spread like wildfire.

22 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

Not sure about that. There had to be a good reason from seeing cases emerge up to the 14 day period. Only sure cure is a vaccines and to boycott China from making and releasing it. Did anyone read that China will not let the WHO go in and investigate where it truly came from? 

Hmm, a vaccine actually doesn't cure anything. Its success at prevention is based on its efficacy, companies are hoping to get 30%. That means 70% of those getting a vaccine get no protection whatsoever. Then of course there are the side effects, governments have been quietly paying out for decades even with properly researched vaccines, there is an undeniable danger.

 

We all know we will be forced to get it regardless, but don't assume vaccines are magic bullets, they are not.

9 minutes ago, Rancid said:

Hmm, a vaccine actually doesn't cure anything. Its success at prevention is based on its efficacy, companies are hoping to get 30%. That means 70% of those getting a vaccine get no protection whatsoever.

 

The companies are most definitely hoping for -- and early results suggests they are likely to attain -- far higher levels of protection that that.

 

Indeed the US FDA has said it would require at least 50% to consider licensing a vaccine.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

The companies are most definitely hoping for -- and early results suggests they are likely to attain -- far higher levels of protection that that.

 

Indeed the US FDA has said it would require at least 50% to consider licensing a vaccine.

 

 

Just going on what The Australian newspaper reported about the British vaccine that Oz have already bought and manufacturing has started, despite it not actually being approved yet. No doubt they are hoping for better but at least with that company the government was hoping to get 30%.

 

There is huge political pressure for a vaccine and and obviously manufacturers want it on the market, they will be approved.

30 minutes ago, Rancid said:

Just going on what The Australian newspaper reported about the British vaccine that Oz have already bought and manufacturing has started, despite it not actually being approved yet. No doubt they are hoping for better but at least with that company the government was hoping to get 30%.

 

There is huge political pressure for a vaccine and and obviously manufacturers want it on the market, they will be approved.

Manufacture has not started. Planned for early 2021 and that presumably dependent on Phase III trial results which are expected by end of the year.

 

"If the Oxford vaccine is successful: • 3.8 million doses will be delivered to Australia in early 2021 • 30 million doses will be manufactured in Australia between from early 2021 in monthly batches through to September 2021 in monthly batches. CSL will manufacture these doses on behalf of AstraZeneca."

https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/vaccines-and-treatments/australias-vaccine-agreements

 

I can't find any source that says the government of Australia is defining success as a 30% reduction and that would be a most unusual thing to do, where did you read it?

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-information-about-the-university-of-oxford-vaccine-for-covid-19

 

 

On 11/7/2020 at 3:10 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

Rubbish. There have been some cases which tested positive only after 21 and 27 days. 14 is a happy medium to protect the rest of us, don't you agree?

There is a downside. My sister locked on quarantine for now more than 3 weeks (not in Thailand). Last two weeks without symptoms but with positive tests. Doctor said that there are cases when virus may be detected  up to 3 month. So, it may be a long story of isolation.

I posted in a related ThaiVisa topic that a Coconuts article indicates 6 nationalities have been approved for a shortened 10-day ASQ:  

 

Arrivals from countries deemed low risk – China, Vietnam, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand – will only have to quarantine 10 days

 

 

 

 

some countries , like belurussia , never closed anything, and did not suffer any serious outbreak. . also japan and taiwan never imposed such strist

lockdown, brazil mexico panama and costa rica are completly open now, you can travel there without

any need for insurance, tests, or other nonsense. maybe the thai authorities will do the simple

math and will understand that locking down the country is killing way more people than the virus

will ever do.