Trump concedes 'nothing' on election; Biden team to meet vaccine makers

[Jonnapat]

A ònce admired country now falling off a cliff. 

Would be funny if not so tragic. 

A pandemic totally out of control and Trump out on the golf course.

Narcissism on full display. 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

A ònce admired country now falling off a cliff. 

Would be funny if not so tragic. 

A pandemic totally out of control and Trump out on the golf course.

Narcissism on full display. 

Yes, actual enemy attacks could not easily do as much damage. 

[Rimmer]

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[Till22]

I’m truly surprised. Who would have thought there were so many ‘unintelligent’ individuals in America. A Dictator.!!! More like a total Muppet. I predict.. once he’s dragged kicking and screaming and left 10 fingernails wedged into the floorboards, he’ll disappear like a fart in a fan factory to his mate in Russia. Failing that, Melania will be rocking up to one of the State Prisons for visits (more fool her if they are the ones where she can throw a leg) and, not to mention the numerous books from X WH staff that will appear in the shelves. He is nothing more than an oxygen thief.

[candide]

Obviously, Trump is not conceding! ????

[Justgrazing]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

writing on Twitter:

 

Comes to something when the person holding the position of President of the United States has a goodly amount of his output that are fired out like chaff labelled as being " misleading " or " disputed " etc by Twitter .. 

He needs to do a truth & reality project if he's thinking about joining TVF after getting turfed outta the W H or he'll be get a torrid time off some of the member's on here .. and possibly labelled a troll ..

[malibukid]

9 hours ago, timendres said:

I half expect to see Donald kicking his feet and waving his tiny hands, as the secret service drags him out of the oval office...

send in Rambo

[Caldera]

Concede or not, the clock is ticking.

 

[onthedarkside]

A social media video with unfounded and unsubstantiated election fraud conspiracy allegations has been removed.

 

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

They voted for Trump. They obviously believe a lot of BS.

Sadly, they do. Not very smart.

[joecoolfrog]

4 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Liberals must be happy about new mail-in voting rules.  It sure got Joe Biden lots more votes.

On a scale of 1-10 , how does your statement differentiate from a spoilt brat crying ' so unfair ' ?

[herwin1234]

A lot to learn from Trump. He bull<deleted>ted his way to the very top. I am sure he is as surprised as many of us that he made it into the White House.

Trump will be gone soon. The  70 million people who voted for him AFTER WITNESSING 4 YEARS OF HIS FOOLISHNESS and decided another 4 years would be great, these 70 million ppl are here to stay. SCARY!! 

Trump punched the concept of "democracy" a black eye. Hope karma will catch up with him in this lifetime and may his coming demise be televized !

Glad to live inThailand! 

[Andy from Kent]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wouldn't it be really great for America if after he's evicted from the white house that people finally stop listening to him?

 

 

Is there any precedent for acting as the current POTUS acts?

 

 

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Is there any precedent for acting as the current POTUS acts?

 

 

Thought the same as you Andy, and because his actions are undermining the economy and safety of Americans, perhaps "sedition" would be apt.....get him out asap.

[Phoenix Rising]

Irrefutable proof that the loonies still run the asylum:

 

White House coronavirus advisor calls on Michigan residents to 'rise up' against lockdown restrictions

 

"A White House coronavirus adviser has urged residents in the state of Michigan to "rise up" against measures introduced to curb the coronavirus as infections soar across the country. 

Responding to Mr Atlas’ tweet, Ms Whitmer said she is guided by people who have “actually have studied and are well respected worldwide on these issues”, not those doing the “President's bidding”. "

[wwest5829]

9 hours ago, newatthis said:

Hopefully that will MAGA.

The great irony ... The Donald will help MAGA by being fired ...

[wwest5829]

9 hours ago, Opl said:

 

As unpleasant as it can be to Americans, second to none ... 

back to June 2017: 

"The genius of Trump is that he understands what adept guerrilla leaders figured out ages ago – do that which the opponent thinks is impossible or so unthinkable, they have not planned how to defend it."

"Trump – or indeed any leader in an “advanced” democracy – can turn into an Idi Amin."

https://theconversation.com/idi-amin-and-donald-trump-strong-men-with-unlikely-parallels-78004

My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

[Jingthing]

33 minutes ago, Andy from Kent said:

 

 

Is there any precedent for acting as the current POTUS acts?

 

 

No!

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7 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

Well, Biden's proposals would greatly increase the reach of Obamacare. He does propose an increase in the minimum wage. He has a proposal to forgive student loans. And he wanted to make earnings over $400,000 liable to pay social security tax. That would have guaranteed its viability for at least the next 100 years.

[wwest5829]

6 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Liberals must be happy about new mail-in voting rules.  It sure got Joe Biden lots more votes.

Absolutely because we are following medical advice. Ah, there are states that have used mail-in ballots for years and those of us who vote Absentee have used this method for years. So? So not new ...

[wwest5829]

1 hour ago, herwin1234 said:

A lot to learn from Trump. He bull<deleted>ted his way to the very top. I am sure he is as surprised as many of us that he made it into the White House.

Trump will be gone soon. The  70 million people who voted for him AFTER WITNESSING 4 YEARS OF HIS FOOLISHNESS and decided another 4 years would be great, these 70 million ppl are here to stay. SCARY!! 

Trump punched the concept of "democracy" a black eye. Hope karma will catch up with him in this lifetime and may his coming demise be televized !

Glad to live inThailand! 
 

 

My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

[Lacessit]

14 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Absolutely because we are following medical advice. Ah, there are states that have used mail-in ballots for years and those of us who vote Absentee have used this method for years. So? So not new ...

To give the devil his due, Trump started railing against mail-in ballots months ago, setting up a strategy by which he could claim to have won when the votes of his constituency were counted first. That's why he wanted counting stopped where he was leading.

There are examples of democracies elsewhere that function much better in elections than the ramshackle American system. Australia has compulsory voting and proportional representation, we seem to have survived OK with them. I guess the only reason the American system stays stagnant is because the Republican Party likes it that way, and wraps itself in the flag whenever anybody mentions change.

Edited November 16, 2020 by Lacessit

[newnative]

   You expect horrible, disgusting behavior from Trump as a given but I am even more appalled by the totally spineless other Republicans that have not read him the riot act and are going along with his ridiculous voter fraud lies.  Disgusting behavior one and all.  

[cdemundo]

11 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Liberals must be happy about new mail-in voting rules.  It sure got Joe Biden lots more votes.

And is there a problem with more citizens casting their vote?

[cdemundo]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

To give the devil his due, Trump started railing against mail-in ballots months ago, setting up a strategy by which he could claim to have won when the votes of his constituency were counted first. That's why he wanted counting stopped where he was leading.

There are examples of democracies elsewhere that function much better in elections than the ramshackle American system. Australia has compulsory voting and proportional representation, we seem to have survived OK with them. I guess the only reason the American system stays stagnant is because the Republican Party likes it that way, and wraps itself in the flag whenever anybody mentions change.

I don't think the American electoral system is as bad as it seems due to all the phony complaints from Trump and Trumpists.  There have been no irregularities found by investigative agencies.  Only the quacking of Trumpistas.  I actually feel that the states have done very well counting millions of votes in a short time with no significant errors or irregularities.

 

[newnative]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

And is there a problem with more citizens casting their vote?

    Yes there is, according to Trump.  In the one and only true statement he made during his presidency, he said, 'If you make voting easy, no Republican will ever win elective office again in America.'   So, voter suppression as much as possible, purge the voter rolls, resist all vote by mail, make it hard to cast a ballot, intimidate voters at polling stations, etc.  

[Jeffr2]

6 hours ago, cdemundo said:

I don't think the American electoral system is as bad as it seems due to all the phony complaints from Trump and Trumpists.  There have been no irregularities found by investigative agencies.  Only the quacking of Trumpistas.  I actually feel that the states have done very well counting millions of votes in a short time with no significant errors or irregularities.

 

It's a messed up system. 51 different sets of rules and regulations.  The electoral college is the same.  Created hundreds of years ago when the US was a completely different place.

 

The states did a fantastic job this time. Considering the pandemic and constant bashing by Trump and his corrupt enablers. Crazy times. Sad some fall for the BS conspiracy theories.

[newnative]

19 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Liberals must be happy about new mail-in voting rules.  It sure got Joe Biden lots more votes.

     Yes it did.  And, if I may, I'd like to send a great big thank you note to Donald Trump for being, in the immortal words of Rex Tillerson, his hand-picked Sec. of State, a 'moron'.  And, thank you also, Trump, for moronically forgetting that the quest for the Presidency is a race.   Candidates run for President.

     I wonder, Trump, if you were running in a 2-man track race, would you allow your competitor to get half way around the track before you started running?  I doubt it.  However, that's exactly what you moronically did with the 2020 Presidential race.  

    You allowed Joe Biden to get half way around the track by trashing mail-in voting and urging all your supporters to wait until election day to vote.  Thank you, once again for being a moron.  By waiting, you gave the Democrats a huge advantage in time.  A huge advantage day after day to contact voters and make sure they got their ballots in well before election day. 

    The Democrats had a large voting window of weeks.  Republicans, if they listened to you, had just the election day hours to 'get out the vote'.  If you were a Republican volunteer, would you prefer weeks to find your voters and get their votes in or just a few hours?

    In many states, Democrats hold the advantage in the number of registered voters.  Knowing that, it puzzles me why you would reject getting a head start on finding as many Republican voters as possible before election day to try to make up the difference.  

   Had I been you, I would have seized on mail-in voting as a golden opportunity to find every single Trump voter I could before election day rolled around.  Instead, like a moron, you let Biden do exactly that while you sat on the sidelines trashing mail-in voting as a fraud.

     I know, your moronic strategy was to make the whole election a fraud and hope the Supreme Court will award the Presidency to you.  We'll see how that works out.  Meanwhile, I wonder if you might have been able to find a few more voters in the states you narrowly lost had you started the race at the same time as Biden.  Moron, thy name is Trump.  Again, thank you!

      

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13 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

My thought, supported by at least the economic statistics is that the political policies of both major political parties over the past 30-45 have caused increased economic pressure on the working middle class which forms the vast majority of the participatory democracy’s population. With the growth, over the time period of the income/wealth disparity gap we have come to a critical juncture of disfunction. Many of those in the current working middle class were raised in a time witnessing the, at first tremendous growth of the US economic income and now, the slow decline of the paramount economic position of the United States post WW II. For those of us in the “Baby Boomer” generation, we are filled with despair generally at seeing the usual growth of economic wellbeing through our work efforts resulting in less and less retirement age security. For our children, we see little hope, under current economic policy conditions to be able, through their work to afford the housing, access to medical care, access to improving their knowledge skills through higher education. There is justified frustration/anger resulting from the economic stress and this evidences itself through our social stress. Not seeing hope, those who supported Trump in 2016, wanted to believe in his promises to address the needs and clean out the swamp of those who had brought on the economic stress (unfortunately, they did not read/study Trump’s historical background or they would have seen a record of a man far out of his depth to be given such a government position). What alternative was offered by the other major party candidate … more of the same policies that have brought on the stress. Unless the mass of American working middle class citizen voters turn out to support a raising of the minimum wage, instituting a national healthcare program like all other developed democratic countries provide for their citizens, lowering the costs of gaining more knowledge through higher education (benefiting both individuals and American business) and protecting Social Security/Medicare … I predict the madness will continue as there will be no needed relief for the working middle class upon which and hope of a participatory democracy depends.

The Top 1% of Americans Have Taken $50 Trillion From the Bottom 90%—And That's Made the U.S. Less Secure

According to a groundbreaking new working paper by Carter C. Price and Kathryn Edwards of the RAND Corporation, had the more equitable income distributions of the three decades following World War II (1945 through 1974) merely held steady, the aggregate annual income of Americans earning below the 90th percentile would have been $2.5 trillion higher in the year 2018 alone. That is an amount equal to nearly 12 percent of GDP—enough to more than double median income—enough to pay every single working American in the bottom nine deciles an additional $1,144 a month.

https://time.com/5888024/50-trillion-income-inequality-america/

[ballpoint]

Quite an apt metaphor.  Let's hope Trump is well aware of it:

 

"It was the grand opening of the tallest building in Atlantic City, home to the city's largest casino and biggest hotel. But the 9000 guests who wanted to be first to enter the city's tenth casino were evacuated by a false fire alarm moments after it opened.

Despite the inauspicious omen, the Trump Organisation pledged it would be profitable from day one. Instead, within a few years it drove Donald Trump to corporate bankruptcy.

Next January, days after he is due to be prised from the Oval Office, the crumbling building is scheduled to be obliterated by demolition explosives".

 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300160210/its-back-to-business-for-the-king-of-debt-trump