Killing of suspected Iranian nuclear mastermind risks confrontation as Trump exits

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3 minutes ago, rabas said:

He may be referring to Iran's new factory to mass produce large numbers of advanced centrifuges, reported by REUTERS July 2018. Each centrifuge is 6 times more powerful than current models and they can produce 60 per day, equivalent to 360 current centrifuges per day.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-centrifuge-idUSKBN1K80OP

 

Seems Iran has been preparing to quickly produce large amounts of enriched Uranium all along. The fact that the agreement allowed Iran to keep its uranium production, technology, and personnel up to date should tell you something about the agreement.

 

 

Whatever the merits of your case, it's got nothing to do with Iran observing the terms of the agreement until Trump scuttled it and attacked Iran's economy.

[Jack Mountain]

3 minutes ago, rabas said:

He may be referring to Iran's new factory to mass produce large numbers of advanced centrifuges, reported by REUTERS July 2018. Each centrifuge is 6 times more powerful than current models and they can produce 60 per day, equivalent to 360 current centrifuges per day.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-centrifuge-idUSKBN1K80OP

 

Seems Iran has been preparing to quickly produce large amounts of enriched Uranium all along. The fact that the agreement allowed Iran to keep its uranium production, technology, and personnel up to date should tell you something about the agreement.

 

 

Not really relevant in the ' who started' discussion, it's after Trump cancelled the agreement, may 18 2018 after threatening to do so for already a year.

[Thorgal]

4 minutes ago, rabas said:

He may be referring to Iran's new factory to mass produce large numbers of advanced centrifuges, reported by REUTERS July 2018. Each centrifuge is 6 times more powerful than current models and they can produce 60 per day, equivalent to 360 current centrifuges per day.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-centrifuge-idUSKBN1K80OP

 

Seems Iran has been preparing to quickly produce large amounts of enriched Uranium all along. The fact that the agreement allowed Iran to keep its uranium production, technology, and personnel up to date should tell you something about the agreement.

 

 

 

Only non-alignment with the JCPOA was in 2018 when heavy water production was above the limits.

Iran proposed to export the overage and was again conform to all JCPOA requirements.

 

Only JCPOA inspector reports and council resolutions are relevant.

 

Subversive wars are often operated with biased media.

[ThailandRyan]

Maybe he was <deleted> some ones wife and they wanted him taken care of.  But then lets just blame the world as Iran could not have any of it's own zealots that would ambush and kill someone because of something not done or something they did.

[Rimmer]

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[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, Pilotman said:

good news that some one has had the balls to take this dangerous guy out, but they should still use the bunker buster bombs to level the facility. BIden is an idiot if he thinks that he can 're engage' with those Iranian lunatics. Appeasement never works, I thought that the World had all learnt that in 1939, apparently subsequent generations have not learnt a thing. 

Like talking face to face with someone, them agreeing not to do something, and then when your not looking, they do it anyway.  You can not appease wannabe superpowers, who would level the world if they could to make a point.

[ThaiFelix]

Sounds like the US of Lies up to its old dirty tricks again   (US of Lies and Israel:  same same but different).  

 

However judging by some of the ludicrous comments being made on here they should be proud of their propaganda machine.

[rabas]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Whatever the merits of your case, it's got nothing to do with Iran observing the terms of the agreement until Trump scuttled it and attacked Iran's economy.

That factory and technology probably took a year or more to develop. It was announced in Reuters July, 2018. You can work out all the dates.

 

I think Thorgal points out it may not be covered or counted under the agreement. That may be but it does show the agreement did little to actually restrict Iran's capabilities to produce weapons on short order, if they chose to do so.

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by rabas

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:

No mercy for animals who use their nature given talents for creating weapons. 

Would that include ALL the western scientists who have worked on nuclear weapons since 1942. That would be the USA, UK, France,  China, Pakistan, India, China, North Korea, German scientists, Isrealis and more that I cannot remember.

 

Yet Iran has not yet built or tested a nuclear weapon.

 

Remember that only one nation in  the world has actually used them in a war and it wasn't Iran.

[Jack Mountain]

18 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Like talking face to face with someone, them agreeing not to do something, and then when your not looking, they do it anyway.  You can not appease wannabe superpowers, who would level the world if they could to make a point.

It called backstabbing, a Ferengi ???? speciality ...

[Jack Mountain]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Would that include ALL the western scientists who have worked on nuclear weapons since 1942. That would be the USA, UK, France,  China, Pakistan, India, China, North Korea, German scientists, Isrealis and more that I cannot remember.

 

Yet Iran has not yet built or tested a nuclear weapon.

 

Remember that only one nation in  the world has actually used them in a war and it wasn't Iran.

A-Z, alpha - omega

[oompie69]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

Well can’t say I will mourn the guy the mossad always gets their man but to be perfectly honest I’m much more concerned about N Korea than Iran I hope we start making amends towards each other this endless cycle of violence only benefits the weapons industry generally it’s the regular folk that pay the price enough!

Politicians create the enemy so that their buddies in the weapons industry can profit.

As long as politicians are allowed to continue to place wealth creation for their buddies above the wellbeing of the citizens they were elected to serve, nothing is going to change. And Joe Citizen is the only one dying from this shameful state of affairs.  

[billd766]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

"western animals" are responsible animals, unlike Iran that want to conquer the world by sending troupes and occupying Lebanon, Iraq and parts of Turkey among others...

Should I mention the Isreali nvasion of the Lebanon in 1982?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict#:~:text=The 1982 Lebanon war began,people were killed%2C mostly civilians.

 

Or the invasion again in 2006?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ALeKk017jwVLfIZc_dZsfg_Ja7cOl6mkUg%3A1606545258427&ei=au_BX67IGbCY4-EPw7SmyAc&q=israeli+invasion+of+lebanon+2006&oq=israeli+invasion+of+lebanon+1982&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHUABYAGD1mQFoAHACeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=psy-ab

 

Or perhaps the Isreali blockade currently holding Gaza down since 2007?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

 

Perhaps not as the Isrealis are the "good" guys and not to be blamed for anything.

 

 

[Thorgal]

9 minutes ago, rabas said:

That factory and technology probably took a year or more to develop. It was announced in Reuters July, 2018. You can work out all the dates.

 

I think Thorgal points out it may not be covered or counted under the agreement. That may be but it does show the agreement did little to actually restrict Iran's capabilities to produce weapons on short order, if they chose to do so.

 

 

JCPOA agreements of July 2015 under UN resolution 2231 have to be reached in 8 years, read July 2023.

 

https://www.un.org/securitycouncil/content/2231/background

 

Killing one of the masterminds of the Iranian home made nuclear technology will slow down the planning and target dates/deadlines.

 

Again, subversive warfare is played on a different level.

 

Mohsen Fakhrizadeh was also a prominent key player in the Iranian covid-19 pandemic. To know that economic sanctions were also imposed on import of medical equipment.

 

 

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38 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Like talking face to face with someone, them agreeing not to do something, and then when your not looking, they do it anyway.  You can not appease wannabe superpowers, who would level the world if they could to make a point.

Like making generalizations to distract from the fact that you are offering no real evidence.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, ezzra said:

Your premise and argument would have hold water if it wasn't about Iran trying to get the bomb, any other country you could trust, not Iran though in any way you look at it, and nothing in their track records will make anyone believe them that they are developing the bomb for peaceful purposes...

So all the other countries holding nuclear weapons are keeping them for peaceful purposes?

 

Any other country I could trust such as who? Pakistan and India are keeping theirs for each other. N Korea are keeping theirs for the US and its allies in the pacific area. China, who knows? The UK and France have tight control of theirs so they are fairly much trusted. Russia is like China. The USA has a petulant cry baby until 20th January in charge. Would I trust the USA? About as far as I could throw him one handed.

[Jack Mountain]

24 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Should I mention the Isreali nvasion of the Lebanon in 1982?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli–Lebanese_conflict#:~:text=The 1982 Lebanon war began,people were killed%2C mostly civilians.

 

Or the invasion again in 2006?

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=ALeKk017jwVLfIZc_dZsfg_Ja7cOl6mkUg%3A1606545258427&ei=au_BX67IGbCY4-EPw7SmyAc&q=israeli+invasion+of+lebanon+2006&oq=israeli+invasion+of+lebanon+1982&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgBMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHMgQIABBHUABYAGD1mQFoAHACeACAAQCIAQCSAQCYAQCqAQdnd3Mtd2l6yAEIwAEB&sclient=psy-ab

 

Or perhaps the Isreali blockade currently holding Gaza down since 2007?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

 

Perhaps not as the Isrealis are the "good" guys and not to be blamed for anything.

 

 

I have never seen Iranians while I lived there (1981), Syrians were there and it seems the Lebanese didn't had a problem with that because they kept the factions apart.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Jack Mountain

[Thorgal]

4 hours ago, Jack Mountain said:

No mercy for animals who use their nature given talents for creating weapons. 

 

Iran agreed to use only 300 kg of enriched uranium for 15 years.

 

They use use uranium with 3.67% grade enrichment only for power generating purposes. This has been agreed in the JCPOA deal and respected so far.

 

Uranium with minimal 20% grade enrichment can be used for medical grade research and technology. Iran has no 20% grade uranium  enrichment technology and stock.

 

Uranium with minimal 90% grade enrichment can be used for manufacturing nuclear warheads. Iran has no 90% grade uranium enrichment technology and stock.

 

They can’t fabricate nuclear weapons. They don’t have the core ingredients, equipment and technology.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Thorgal
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[userabcd]

9 hours ago, AgMech Cowboy said:

He'll just show up with a pallet full of cash and all will be forgiven. Curses to American. Curses to D. Trump. Hurrah for Joe B.

 

(Moderators!!! Really!! More Reuters rubbish.)

And there the US thinking the return of Iranian assets seized by the US regime belong to the US regime.

[rabas]

36 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Iran agreed to use only 300 kg of enriched uranium for 15 years.

 

They use use uranium with 3.67% grade enrichment only for power generating purposes. This has been agreed in the JCPOA deal and respected so far.

 

Uranium with minimal 20% grade enrichment can be used for medical grade research and technology. Iran has no 20% grade enrichment technology and stock.

 

Uranium with minimal 90% grade enrichment can be used for manufacturing nuclear warheads. Iran has no 90% grade enrichment technology and stock.

 

They can’t fabricate nuclear weapons. They don’t have the core ingredients, equipment and technology.

 

"Uranium with minimal 90% grade enrichment can be used for manufacturing nuclear warheads. Iran has no 90% grade enrichment technology and stock."

 

The is not scientifically correct. The same equipment that makes 10%, 20% EU is used to make 90% bomb grade EU. The only difference is how many centrifuges it passes through. You could even use a valve to route  UF₆ through whatever paths you want. You can also use lower grade EU as starting material for higher grades.  See  IranWatch

 

POLITIFACT factcheck, (feb 18, 2015) The potential Iran nuclear agreement would limit Iran to the number of centrifuges needed for a weapon but too few for a nuclear power program. TRUE.

 

"They can’t fabricate nuclear weapons. They don’t have the core ingredients, equipment and technology."

 

This is the easy part, and they have worked on it in the past, knowledge is widely available.

 

OTH, I do agree Iran has been good at sticking to the letter of the agreement as written.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by rabas

[gamini]

6 hours ago, Sujo said:

In that case mossad should be labelled a terrorist organisation.

It has always been that

 

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

Look who liked your post.. all those that still think that Iran is a good country with a good intentions and not enriching uranium  in disregard to their signatory to an agreement not to...

That's Trunp lies. Iran adhered to the agreement. But we all know your views and support of Israeli agression and terrorism against against Muslims

[RichardColeman]

Biden will be judged on his Middle East policies, my guess is he will sit on the fence juggling balls, humming to himself and not wanting to upset anyone 

[ThaiFelix]

4 hours ago, ezzra said:

"western animals" are responsible animals, unlike Iran that want to conquer the world by sending troupes and occupying Lebanon, Iraq and parts of Turkey among others...

Troupes??  Are they going to sing and dance them into submission hahahahahaha!

 

[ThaiFelix]

4 hours ago, Psimbo said:

Does that include the US- the biggest exporter of arms in the world?

 

They provide weapons to Gov'ts that wantonly kill women and children on a daily basis. MAGA my backside.

Yes but you are overlooking the fact that providing 'weapons to Gov'ts that wantonly kill women and children on a daily basis' is done to protect Americas interests (aka 'saving the world') and that is all that matters to the US.  Small pox infested blanket anybody?  They're free because we care.

[sammieuk1]

What's really shocking is there is terrorism inside Iran  ????

[Mavideol]

42 minutes ago, ThaiFelix said:

Yes but you are overlooking the fact that providing 'weapons to Gov'ts that wantonly kill women and children on a daily basis' is done to protect Americas interests (aka 'saving the world') and that is all that matters to the US.  Small pox infested blanket anybody?  They're free because we care.

and that's 110 billion to Saudis and another 80 billion to UAE not to mention the ""free"" ones to Israel all in the name of protecting America's interest 555

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, Pilotman said:

The agreement was cancelled by Trump because the Iranians had already broken the deal,  get the timing right. 

In your own words: BS.

[CharlieH]

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[Thorgal]

1 hour ago, rabas said:

 

"Uranium with minimal 90% grade enrichment can be used for manufacturing nuclear warheads. Iran has no 90% grade enrichment technology and stock."

 

The is not scientifically correct. The same equipment that makes 10%, 20% EU is used to make 90% bomb grade EU. The only difference is how many centrifuges it passes through. You could even use a valve to route  UF₆ through whatever paths you want. You can also use lower grade EU as starting material for higher grades.  See  IranWatch

 

POLITIFACT factcheck, (feb 18, 2015) The potential Iran nuclear agreement would limit Iran to the number of centrifuges needed for a weapon but too few for a nuclear power program. TRUE.

 

"They can’t fabricate nuclear weapons. They don’t have the core ingredients, equipment and technology."

 

This is the easy part, and they have worked on it in the past, knowledge is widely available.

 

OTH, I do agree Iran has been good at sticking to the letter of the agreement as written.

 

 

 

To convert <5% EU to +20%EU you need more yellow cake and more centrifuges to separate U-238 and U-235.

 

Iran exported it’s stock of EU to keep the 300 kg limit for 15 years.

 

You need ten thousands of centrifuges to make nuclear weapons grade EU. The 20.000 existing centrifuges will be reduced to +/- 6.000 operating centrifuges. Impossible to achieve +90% EU with 6.000 centrifuges divided over 3 nuclear plants.

 

90% EU enrichment requires a full continuous process without re-cycling and by-passing. 

 

There’s only one nuclear facility in Iran capable of producing enrichment through uranium with plutonium.

This enrichment facility has been closed as per JCPOA deal.

 

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/issues/foreign-policy/iran-deal

 

People suggesting Iranian nuclear 90% EU capacity to make nuclear weapons can’t prove it because you have not the core elements and equipment to manufacture it.

[Pilotman]

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

In your own words: BS.

I have provided the time line link further in this post.  read it yourself before rubbishing what I said.