Brexit negotiations restart in person as clock ticks down

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

No one is stopping the UK from participating in the single market. They'll just access it as a free independent nation unfettered by the cruel chains of the EU. Like Australia. 

"the cruel chains of the EU" you want to make us cry? In the EU, the UK was perceived as a major pain, not paying normal membership dues like us, repeatedly vetoing policies to impose its will on us. In this regard we are taking back control and gaining freedom from "the cruel chains of the UK"  ????

 

Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes. 

 

It's the same as in football: if you don't play be the rules of football and refuse the referee, you cannot play other countrie's teams. 

 

Australia has no access to the single market. What Johnson calls an "Australia deal" is... no-deal. There is no Australia-EU FTA. 

 

I'm surprised there are still people who after 4 years still do not get these basic points right.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Phulublub said:

37 million?  Thought it was supposed to be 350 million.  And it was all going to the NHS?

 

Still, you knew what you were voting for.

 

PH

All going to the nhs? Oh give it a rest the wording on the big red  bus the symbol of democracy said COULD have been given to the nhs,you remainers do more twisting than chubby checker yes i did know what i voted for FREEDOM.

Edited November 30, 2020 by kingdong

[baansgr]

On 11/28/2020 at 7:06 PM, Rookiescot said:

Its pretty obvious. Either the UK (Brexiteers) accept what the EU is offering or its no deal.

Its already been made clear. Now the Brexiteers can huff and puff but its a one sided game because the larger trade entity always dictates what the smaller entity gets.

At this point Brexiteers will do their usual and scream OK NO DEAL THEN but thankfully its actually grown ups who are going to resolve this absolute shambles.

Get used to it guys. You were warned before the referendum took place that this is where we would end up.

You knew what you were voting for and this is it.

 

It's pretty obvious, either the EU accept what the UK is offering or its no deal

[pacovl46]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

Right on like saving ourselves 37 million pounds a week for starters.

37 million are nothing when you’ve lost 1.4 trillion...

Edited November 30, 2020 by pacovl46

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, pacovl46 said:

37 million are nothing when you’ve lost 1.4 trillion....

A mere drop in the ocean when one looks at the cost of covid to the west,to put it into perspective.

[david555]

6 minutes ago, baansgr said:

It's pretty obvious, either the EU accept what the UK is offering or its no deal

Let it be compromised ....if both E.U. &  U.K. do not accept eachother's offers it is NO deal 

 

This is the correct situation ???? more simple called ....REALITY SITUATION

Edited November 30, 2020 by david555

[JonnyF]

29 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

It's the same as in football: if you don't play be the rules of football and refuse the referee, you cannot play other countrie's teams. 

We don't mind having a referee, but that referee must be neutral, not the ECJ.

 

That would be like playing against Man Utd and having Paul Scholes as referree and Ryan Giggs and Rio Ferdinand as the 2 linesmen, with Eric Cantona monitoring VAR at Stockley Park while dressed as the club mascot.

 

Oh, and the 'level playing field' sloping 45 degrees towards the opposition's goal.

 

[pacovl46]

8 minutes ago, kingdong said:

A mere drop in the ocean when one looks at the cost of covid to the west,to put it into perspective.

Just to put it into perspective, the UK have paid the EU 217 billion pounds from 1973 until 2019. The 50 banks that have left/are leaving the UK for the EU will result in a loss of 800 billion pounds. The total loss will be around 1.4 to 1.6 trillion pounds. One doesn’t have to be a genius in math to realize that the UK would’ve been much better off staying in the EU, but hey, they wanted out, soon they will be out and we’ll see how it works out for the, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t! 

[kingdong]

34 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

"the cruel chains of the EU" you want to make us cry? In the EU, the UK was perceived as a major pain, not paying normal membership dues like us, repeatedly vetoing policies to impose its will on us. In this regard we are taking back control and gaining freedom from "the cruel chains of the UK"  ????

 

Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes. 

 

It's the same as in football: if you don't play be the rules of football and refuse the referee, you cannot play other countrie's teams. 

 

Australia has no access to the single market. What Johnson calls an "Australia deal" is... no-deal. There is no Australia-EU FTA. 

 

I'm surprised there are still people who after 4 years still do not get these basic points right.

Ah the democracy of france the french farmers were champions of it when it came to attacking lorries importing food into france while the bold gendarmes stood scratching theirselves.anyway that is just my view when a british referendum was held the uk voted out,whens france having one?

[pacovl46]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

We don't mind having a referee, but that referee must be neutral, not the ECJ.

 

That would be like playing against Man Utd and having Paul Scholes as referree and Ryan Giggs and Rio Ferdinand as the 2 linesmen, with Eric Cantona monitoring VAR at Stockley Park while dressed as the club mascot.

 

Oh, and the 'level playing field' sloping 45 degrees towards the opposition's goal.

 

You can’t leave and then expect to be allowed to cherry pick the conditions you’d love to have either! 

[Kwasaki]

12 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

So the EU wants a deal more than the UK?

Any evidence to back that up?

The evidence is in ye face already if Teresa May another remainer had been sacked and sent off to exile in Scotland the UK would have been long gone from th EU mafia 4 years ago.

[Kwasaki]

56 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes. 

One of reason of voting to leave Eu, the UK don't want to belong in your club or follow rules demanded by Germany and France led by Germany, Austria and alike.

 

Edited November 30, 2020 by Kwasaki

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

"the cruel chains of the EU" you want to make us cry? In the EU, the UK was perceived as a major pain, not paying normal membership dues like us, repeatedly vetoing policies to impose its will on us. In this regard we are taking back control and gaining freedom from "the cruel chains of the UK" 

I think that your "normal membership dues" may not be as normal in the future as you might want them to be.

[Rookiescot]

36 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

The evidence is in ye face already if Teresa May another remainer had been sacked and sent off to exile in Scotland the UK would have been long gone from th EU mafia 4 years ago.

 

No evidence then.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[placeholder]

40 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Ah the democracy of france the french farmers were champions of it when it came to attacking lorries importing food into france while the bold gendarmes stood scratching theirselves.anyway that is just my view when a british referendum was held the uk voted out,whens france having one?

Even the right wing party of Marie Le Pen favors staying in the EU. They changed their stance from being anti EU when they started to lose supporters.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

"the cruel chains of the EU" you want to make us cry? In the EU, the UK was perceived as a major pain, not paying normal membership dues like us, repeatedly vetoing policies to impose its will on us. In this regard we are taking back control and gaining freedom from "the cruel chains of the UK"  ????

 

Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes. 

 

It's the same as in football: if you don't play be the rules of football and refuse the referee, you cannot play other countrie's teams. 

 

Australia has no access to the single market. What Johnson calls an "Australia deal" is... no-deal. There is no Australia-EU FTA. 

 

I'm surprised there are still people who after 4 years still do not get these basic points right.

 

"Not paying normal membership dues like us"? From France? You 'avin a larf?

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

Just to put it into perspective, the UK have paid the EU 217 billion pounds from 1973 until 2019. The 50 banks that have left/are leaving the UK for the EU will result in a loss of 800 billion pounds. The total loss will be around 1.4 to 1.6 trillion pounds. One doesn’t have to be a genius in math to realize that the UK would’ve been much better off staying in the EU, but hey, they wanted out, soon they will be out and we’ll see how it works out for the, but don’t be surprised if it doesn’t! 

 

And where did these amazing numbers come from?

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Really?

 

I ask because you don't seem to have noticed that there are more similarities between the two articles than differences.

 

 

 

I was referring only to the issue of chlorine washing, not doing a compare and contrast. Chlorine washing itself is safe according to the article. If you feel the need to down a KFC banquet three times a day then there might be a problem, I suppose! 

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I stand corrected, thank you! 

I had similar problems beore and in the end I went to Google to get more information. Now I do it as a matter of habit if I reply to anybodys post that requires more than an emoticon or a one liner reply.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, Hi from France said:

"the cruel chains of the EU" you want to make us cry? In the EU, the UK was perceived as a major pain, not paying normal membership dues like us, repeatedly vetoing policies to impose its will on us. In this regard we are taking back control and gaining freedom from "the cruel chains of the UK"  ????

 

Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes. 

 

It's the same as in football: if you don't play be the rules of football and refuse the referee, you cannot play other countrie's teams. 

 

Australia has no access to the single market. What Johnson calls an "Australia deal" is... no-deal. There is no Australia-EU FTA. 

 

I'm surprised there are still people who after 4 years still do not get these basic points right.

quote from your post. "Single market means single rules for fair competition. The UK refuses these common rules, the most famous being the ECJ to settle disputes."

 

How about the EU using the British courts to settle disputes? Would the EU agree to that?

 

They would never agree to that and I don't blame them either. BUT why should the UK use the ECJ.

 

A fairer way for both sides would to find a neutral court from outside the EU and the UK to make judgements.

 

 

5 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

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[billd766]

5 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

You can’t leave and then expect to be allowed to cherry pick the conditions you’d love to have either! 

But surely that applies to both sides of a dispute.

[david555]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

And where did these amazing numbers come from?

Keep fighting for your waters & fish ...please dont give up ...????....????

As this result is much more worth....

 

 

INTERNATIONALUNITED KINGDOM

Banks are moving $1.6 trillion in assets out of the U.K. ahead of Brexit cutoff

BY 

BLOOMBERG

 AND 

VIREN VAGHELA

[nauseus]

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

Keep fighting for your waters & fish ...please dont give up ...????....????

As this result is much more worth....

 

 

INTERNATIONALUNITED KINGDOM

Banks are moving $1.6 trillion in assets out of the U.K. ahead of Brexit cutoff

BY 

BLOOMBERG

 AND 

VIREN VAGHELA

 

This story has little evidence for such a big number.

[Hi from France]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

We don't mind having a referee, but that referee must be neutral, not the ECJ.

The ECJ is largely founded on British common law, and had its share of British judges/members. 

 

In the EU, it's "our market our rules", the UK might want things to look special because of British exceptionalism, but it will still be "our market our rules", just with more red tape because the Brits want their own special thing. 

 

For forty years, the Brits have been a pain in the EU and even now when going out, they are a real pain. This British exceptionalism is a real pain. 

[pacovl46]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

And where did these amazing numbers come from?

You can find them online...

[pacovl46]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

But surely that applies to both sides of a dispute.

Well, the UK are the ones leaving, so they have to play by the already existing rules everyone else plays by and it’s the UK who seem to be not wanting to do that! 

[7by7]

9 hours ago, kingdong said:

All going to the nhs? Oh give it a rest the wording on the big red  bus the symbol of democracy said COULD have been given to the nhs,you remainers do more twisting than chubby checker

 Wrong; again. 

 

How many more times do you have to be reminded of what it actually said on Boris' bus?

 

Symbol of democracy? When Boris lied about the amount we paid and lied about what he'd do with the money we saved?

 

9 hours ago, kingdong said:

yes i did know what i voted for FREEDOM.

 Then you voted to sacrifice the economic benefits of membership to attain something we already had!

[7by7]

8 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

One of reason of voting to leave Eu, the UK don't want to belong in your club or follow rules demanded by Germany and France led by Germany, Austria and alike.

 

 Then why are Brexiteers moaning because the EU wont let the UK enjoy all the benefits of membership without any of the responsibilities?

[7by7]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

And where did these amazing numbers come from?

 

The Express for one; How much has Brexit cost? The staggering amount for UK taxpayers

Quote

The truth is, the real cost of Brexit will not be clear until way ahead in the future - but how much has it cost so far?

 

There is no definitive figure for the cost of Brexit so far.

A report from Bloomberg Economics estimates that Brexit has set Britain back to the tune of £130 billion so far.

What’s more, it further estimates that figure is likely to top £200 billion by the end of the year.

Between 1973 and 2018, the UK’s net contribution to the EU was £216 billion in real terms, according to Full Fact.

 

[david555]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

This story has little evidence for such a big number.

Yeah....and of course ii is "only Bloomberg "....such a amateuristic financial  news institute totaly unreliable for mister Nauseus ...

???? ????????????????

 

Oh dear o dear ....brexiteers you never see the end of their ignorance ????