Pattaya for sale: 90% of resort’s spa and massage businesses shutdown

[pattayadude]

17 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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"Nightlife" as in Pattaya was never the same as "nightlife" in other countries, but you knew that. I never had as good "nightlife" anywhere else than Pattaya.

because you probably never traveled to Havana/Cuba or Rio/Brazil or Istanbul/Turkey or Kiev/Ukraine or Medellin/Colombia and stay longer than 7 days...I'm not saying I didn't have fun in pats. I did but I personally always had better time for example in Havana in 90s and 2000s than Pats..it's not the quantity its the quality..the culture, the beaches, the music, the women, the history..you can feel the depth of these concepts and elements unlike Pats. Sorry to rain on your parade

[pattayadude]

15 hours ago, BigStar said:

the city's merely continued a strong growth pattern

[Bruno123]

4 hours ago, pattayadude said:

because you probably never traveled to Havana/Cuba or Rio/Brazil or Istanbul/Turkey or Kiev/Ukraine or Medellin/Colombia and stay longer than 7 days...I'm not saying I didn't have fun in pats. I did but I personally always had better time for example in Havana in 90s and 2000s than Pats..it's not the quantity its the quality..the culture, the beaches, the music, the women, the history..you can feel the depth of these concepts and elements unlike Pats. Sorry to rain on your parade

 

Always amuses me when people from a certain country feel the need to put the name of the country after the name of the city, as they imagine that people from other countries as as poor at geography as they might be.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, pattayadude said:

because you probably never traveled to Havana/Cuba or Rio/Brazil or Istanbul/Turkey or Kiev/Ukraine or Medellin/Colombia and stay longer than 7 days...I'm not saying I didn't have fun in pats. I did but I personally always had better time for example in Havana in 90s and 2000s than Pats..it's not the quantity its the quality..the culture, the beaches, the music, the women, the history..you can feel the depth of these concepts and elements unlike Pats. Sorry to rain on your parade

I visited Istanbul and never had any desire to return.

Rio has a reputation for crime.

No way I'd go to Colombia or Ukraine. One had a gang problem and the other was a communist country.

Unless Cuba had the rented girlfriend situation not interested either, and I believe it didn't/ doesn't. Not interested in short time.

Not raining on my parade. I had the best time of my life in Pattaya- why would I even consider going the other side of the world for a better party?

 

Thailand's beaches were wonderful in the 90s and noughties. I lived in Chiang Mai after that and no beaches up there.

BTW the attraction of Thailand for me was never the culture or the history, but it was just as rich in culture and history as any of the countries you mentioned.

One might have had to look for the quality in LOS, but it is there outside the tourist areas.

Edited December 10, 2020 by thaibeachlovers

[Henryford]

On 11/30/2020 at 3:23 PM, RichardColeman said:

Will only get worse in the following months with no high season

Yes, hate to think what it will be like by March 2021.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Yes, hate to think what it will be like by March 2021.

Just look on the bright side of life. Pattaya without the crowds must be bliss of the highest order. I wish I was there.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/9/2020 at 12:00 AM, pattayadude said:

.Every city in the world has(had) good  and even better nightlife.

In the 70s Singapore had great nightlife, but none of the sort we mean when talking about Pattaya. Many big hotels had bands ( my favourite was the GiGi girls, a Korean girl band in the top floor bar of the Imperial Hotel, for any that know it ) that stayed open till late and for something more exotic there was Bugis Street which partied till dawn, followed by breakfast in one of the many 24 hour coffee shops- the Hilton had the best.

 

Singapore was great in the 70s, but they closed Bugis and the buzz ended. The government killed the nightlife themselves and tourism suffered as it became too sterile.

[BigStar]

6 hours ago, pattayadude said:

Stay in denial all you wish, pal. The evidence is quite irrefutable.

 

 

[BigStar]

8 hours ago, pattayadude said:

Medellin, Colombia

No thanks. 127,625 cases of COVID there now ~3.2 million in Colombia. "An estimated 240 gangs with around 5,000 members overall," flooding, earthquakes. Health insurance required for retirement visa.

 

Me, I find the Latin culture rather boring after awhile. Mind you, I once had a long-time gf from Barranquilla. Much more exotic Thailand, however, I find always interesting. But I can see how SA would appeal to those who need a more Western culture they can readily understand. More English spoken there, whew!???? And if, like you, a resident acquires a brain-eating obsession with the Waterfront, then any excuse will do, no?

 

In any case, as touched upon earlier, if we ignore the cacophony of endless whinging, bashing, and obituaries here from our doomsters, haters, hall monitors, and schoolmarms--some, to be sure, hapless victims of the hellish, brain-eating "Whither Pattaya? Whither Thailand?" space monkeys--and instead attend to what's still very much here and easily had, then we find--SHOCK! no real complaints about Pattaya's nightlife.

 

Yep, more than enough--too many, in fact--bars, clubs, go-gos, restos, and lovely wimmens are still open to meet the needs of the current market. No cesspoolians whatsoever are being overheard over on Soi Buakhaow exclaiming, in their characteristic cultured tones, Blimey! Cor find me a game of Connect 4 fer love nor wodja! So it's just another day in paradise, man. Cheers from the beach!

 

Edited December 10, 2020 by BigStar

[pattayadude]

8 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

 

Always amuses me when people from a certain country feel the need to put the name of the country after the name of the city, as they imagine that people from other countries as as poor at geography as they might be.

did i mention Athens/Greece?????

[pattayadude]

3 hours ago, BigStar said:

In any case, as touched upon earlier, if we ignore the cacophony of endless whinging, bashing, and obituaries here from our doomsters, haters, hall monitors, and schoolmarms--some, to be sure, hapless victims of the hellish, brain-eating "Whither Pattaya? Whither Thailand?" space monkeys--and instead attend to what's still very much here and easily had, then we find--SHOCK! no real complaints about Pattaya's nightlife.

I am losing you.......????..all i said was, there are other spots as good as Pattaya or something in those lines..I am not even sure what you are trying to say. have fun dude, dont stress too much

[pattayadude]

4 hours ago, BigStar said:

I once had a long-time gf from Barranquilla

Barranquilla chix are good salsa dancers but those from Cali are hotter

Edited December 10, 2020 by pattayadude

[pattayadude]

4 hours ago, BigStar said:

More English spoken there, whew!

actually very few speak english but im fluent en espanol

[teacherclaire]

On 11/30/2020 at 4:29 PM, Justgrazing said:

 

Have to pull all the stops out then but you can't do it by tik tok so maybe it'll be a glory hole type evolution where you have stick your limb through a hole in the wall .. 

.....and your wife/gf is standing there with a machete on the other side. 

[teacherclaire]

2 minutes ago, pattayadude said:

actually very few speak english but im fluent en espanol

Tagalog has a few Spanish words, but the majority wouldn't understand you when you speak Spanish.

 

Uno Grande Cerveza Por Favore, senorita. 

 

    Currently only about 0.5 per cent of the Philippines' 100 million-strong population speaks Spanish; however, it's still home to the most number of Spanish speakers in Asia.

 

The Philippines is fronting up to its Spanish heritage, and for some it's paying off - ABC News

 

 

[pattayadude]

1 minute ago, teacherclaire said:

Tagalog has a few Spanish words, but the majority wouldn't understand you when you speak Spanish.

I was "on" Colombia, not the Philippines..

[BigStar]

36 minutes ago, pattayadude said:

I am losing you.......????..all i said was, there are other spots as good as Pattaya or something in those lines..I am not even sure what you are trying to say. have fun dude, dont stress too much

Poor memory is such a problem with our seniors here, wastes so much time. If you could remember what you said, then you'd know exactly what I said and why.

 

On 12/8/2020 at 6:00 PM, pattayadude said:

so just pack up and go back or elsewhere..if the horse is dead, there's no need to beat the damn thing..it had been dead for a long time and it was never that famous anyway.It was just ok.Every city in the world has(had) good  and even better nightlife.No need to blow pattaya nightlife out of proportion. I had much better time in other cities/ countries/cultures

Lemme help you out:

• No reason to pack up, to go back or elsewhere; nobody's complaining about any personal need here for "more" nightlife, as Pattaya has sufficient capacity now for the current market;
• The horse isn't dead, merely continually declared so in the virtual world of the forum;
• Naysayers enjoy bashing the dead horse of their imaginations--builds ego & cred;
• It hasn't been dead a long time but Death Pronouncements have been uttered for a long time;
• The fame of Pattaya is not really relevant except for web marketing content purposes, but Pattaya does seem to have been famous in the Brit tabloids, to appeal to the ol' Brit prurient interest;
• Every city in the world doesn't have nor has ever had as good a nightlife as Pattaya's by the standard of Pattaya's nightlife;
• You've been unable to name one city at present that does have to which a Pattaya resident might now travel and enjoy safely;
• Nobody knows what you define as "better time," which could be sitting nude in front of your TV set, or cares; we've of course all had good times, even better times, elsewhere, but they may have been qualitatively different sorts of good times; nor does leaving Pattaya guarantee or promise finding better Pattaya-style experiences elsewhere.
• For most, Pattaya is about much more than nightlife; it's a total convenient package, but that's beyond the scope of this topic.
• you don't have any point, really, just another spurious attempt at bashing from afar.

[Bruno123]

18 hours ago, pattayadude said:

did i mention Athens/Greece?????

 

No, thank goodness. What did you find there?

 

Legendary nightlife or just tasty souvlaki?

[Leaver]

On 12/9/2020 at 1:03 AM, BigStar said:

????Oh, that's already been answered for you several times. Still waiting for you to waddle around and verify to whom--if you're really interested.???? So far, the answers have been ignored as usual and the bigoted blather about sangsom and somtam merely resumed.

Do you think that domestic Thai tourists that complain about the price of a kapao kai dish in a restaurant here are big spenders?  ????

[BigStar]

11 minutes ago, Leaver said:

Do you think that domestic Thai tourists that complain about the price of a kapao kai dish in a restaurant here are big spenders?  ????

Irrelevant question as usual, but much more so than the farang constantly whinging about the prices of cheap drinks in the beer bars. Here's a classic example: New Trick By Bars In Soi Bhuakaow.

 

[Leaver]

27 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Irrelevant question as usual, but much more so than the farang constantly whinging about the prices of cheap drinks in the beer bars. Here's a classic example: New Trick By Bars In Soi Bhuakaow.

 

I guess many tourists, and some Thai's, no longer don't see Pattaya as representing a value for money holiday. 

 

Constant price rises, with no increase in service or amenities, with aging infrastructure, on top of poor exchange rates, and it's not hard to see why western tourism to Pattaya has been declining, rapidly, over the last few seasons.   

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

I guess many tourists, and some Thai's, no longer don't see Pattaya as representing a value for money holiday. 

The example I gave you was from--2012. Nothing new and recent, you see. Turns out the legendary Big Spenders of old weren't actually spending nearly as much as it seems from looking in the rose-tinted rear view mirror. The major, modern development of Pattaya coincided with the appeal to the domestic and greater international market. There's no indication that appeal has been diminishing. So one may expect growth to resume post-COVID. In the meantime more Thais than ever have been coming to Pattaya during weekends and major holidays--which has been helpful.

 

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Constant price rises, with no increase in service or amenities, with aging infrastructure, on top of poor exchange rates, and it's not hard to see why western tourism to Pattaya has been declining, rapidly, over the last few seasons.   

Mostly incorrect and misdirection as usual. Some prices have risen in relation to the banana republic currencies of the West, for example, the GBPeso, no question, and, yes, that's had a major impact on the traditional baked-beans-on-toast monger market.

 

But services and amenities have increased and infrastructure has improved in line with newer markets. That trend looks to continue. A major reason for the monger decline inevitably ignored here, because it can't be blamed, however falsely, on Thais and Pattaya, simply has to do with the rise in the West of online porn, social media, and games; the online hookup culture; and the feminization of the Western male. The incentive among the lower orders for seeking out cheap sex from prostitutes in Third World countries has vastly decreased from what it was.

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by BigStar

[Leaver]

8 minutes ago, BigStar said:

here's no indication that appeal has been diminishing.

Except for the last few high seasons.  Rapid decline in western tourists.  Even TAT's stats show this.

 

10 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Mostly incorrect and misdirection as usual.

Wrong.

 

Example:  Same crappy tin roof beer bar, price of beer from 75 baht to 95 baht.  Sure, there's inflation, but the girls are still on the same salary, and the tin roof is still the same, but I bet the rent is still not the same.   

[Leaver]

13 minutes ago, BigStar said:

But services and amenities have increased and infrastructure has improved in line with newer markets.

 

14 minutes ago, BigStar said:

The incentive among the lower orders for seeking out cheap sex from prostitutes in Third World countries has vastly decreased from what it was.

 

I thought services and amenities and infrastructure has improved.  ????

[HashBrownHarry]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Except for the last few high seasons.  Rapid decline in western tourists.  Even TAT's stats show this.

 

Wrong.

 

Example:  Same crappy tin roof beer bar, price of beer from 75 baht to 95 baht.  Sure, there's inflation, but the girls are still on the same salary, and the tin roof is still the same, but I bet the rent is still not the same.   

wrong

 

are you suggesting every 'crappy tin roof beer bar' have only 95 baht beer?

 

 

[Leaver]

37 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

wrong

 

are you suggesting every 'crappy tin roof beer bar' have only 95 baht beer?

 

 

No. 

 

I'm suggesting they were crappy tin roof beer bars some years ago, so could charge cheap prices, so tourists and expats overlooked their crappiness. 

 

Fast forward to 2020, and it's the same crappy tin roof beer bar, now charging the same prices for a beer that you can pay in  gentlemen's club, with a/c, or a bar with live music.  No improvements.  No added service.  Just dearer drink prices, above the rate of inflation, and the same tin roof.  

 

The days of tin roof beer bars are over, and it has nothing to do with covid.    

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

Except for the last few high seasons.  Rapid decline in western tourists.  Even TAT's stats show this.

Duh. Read: the appeal to the domestic and greater international market.

 

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

Example:  Same crappy tin roof beer bar, price of beer from 75 baht to 95 baht.  Sure, there's inflation, but the girls are still on the same salary, and the tin roof is still the same, but I bet the rent is still not the same. 

Laughable. Yup, that's an example of misdirection. Now I've encouraged you numerous times to waddle outside of Soi Buakhao to discover that Pattaya now has more than crappy tin roof beer bars. Though you refuse to do so, you'd find a few new buildings besides tin roof beer bars have been added over the years. Were you by chance the inspiration for Chance The Gardener in the movie Being There?

 

2 hours ago, Leaver said:

I thought services and amenities and infrastructure has improved.  ????

Did you? Then you'd be right for once.

 

[Leaver]

Just now, BigStar said:

the appeal to the domestic and greater international market.

Would that be the somtum and pick up truck crowd, and the Chinese mass package holiday crowd?

 

2 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Yup, that's an example of misdirection.

Nope.  Been saying for some time now, pre covid, the days of tin roof beer bars are over.  Time will tell.  Of course, you will blame covid, but you could see their lack of patronage well before covid.

 

4 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Did you? Then you'd be right for once.

How's the flood mitigation going here?   ????

[BigStar]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

Would that be the somtum and pick up truck crowd, and the Chinese mass package holiday crowd?

Partly, rather like some Western tourists stayed in the fleabag hotels on Soi Buakhao you're familiar with, whereas others, unbeknownst to you, stayed at the Dusit.

 

Nope.  Been saying for some time now, pre covid, the days of tin roof beer bars are over.  Time will tell.  Of course, you will blame covid, but you could see their lack of patronage well before covid.

 

Yep. 'Cause you changed the subtopic from newer markets (now representing the "many" tourists, including Thai tourists) to tin roof beer bars (a subset of the old market) yourself, since those are all you know--just the usual derailing in place of logical argument. Nor have I blamed COVID for anything concerning tin roof beer bars. You're confused again.

 

How's the flood mitigation going here?

 

Made quite a lot of progress on that, not yet finished but what they've done seems to be helping. Flooding of beach road a few times a year during rainy season does give our doomsters the pretext to claim that if only it weren't for the flood, they'd be out on the beach sunning themselves in the heavy rain. So it'd be a shame if it were entirely stopped, no?

 

Edited December 11, 2020 by BigStar

[jacko45k]

13 hours ago, BigStar said:

Irrelevant question as usual, but much more so than the farang constantly whinging about the prices of cheap drinks in the beer bars. Here's a classic example: New Trick By Bars In Soi Bhuakaow.

 

Darned right, that 8 year old post hit the nail right on the head! How can it be 2F1 when the price is actually far more than the price for 1 should be! I don't have issue with having to buy 2 beers but don't try and kid me it is some bargain!