Brexit talks still stuck because EU is asking too much, UK says

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

We weren't allowed to negotiate and agree our own trade agreements, remember?

 

While we were a member of the customs union and single market we didn't need to.

 

Vote.Leave promised us that would remain after we left. I'll be charitable and say that they were wrong.

[david555]

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• https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-eu-deal-boris-johnson-today-b1767817.html

28 minutes ago

Macron and Merkel move to keep Brexit off EU summit’s agenda

Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s Emmanuel Macron are said to have agreed that Brexit talks should not be discussed at this week’s summit of EU leaders, clearly signalling that member states will not be making any last-ditch concessions to the UK - and will agree with whatever Michel Barnier, chief EU negotiator, decides to do in the next few days. 

 

Bloomberg’s news platform reports that the pair made the decision during a phone call on Monday which also involved the presidents of the European Commission and Council, Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel.

 

The discussion between the four leaders took place before the phone conversation between Ms von der Leyen and Boris Johnson in which the two agreed to meet in Brussels in the “coming days” in a last-ditch effort to try and reach a trade agreement. 

An EU official confirmed that Brexit currently is not on the summit agenda and said Mr Barnier’s negotiating mandate did not need to change,

Edited December 8, 2020 by david555

[herfiehandbag]

3 hours ago, david555 said:

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• https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-eu-deal-boris-johnson-today-b1767817.html

28 minutes ago

Macron and Merkel move to keep Brexit off EU summit’s agenda

Germany’s Angela Merkel and France’s Emmanuel Macron are said to have agreed that Brexit talks should not be discussed at this week’s summit of EU leaders, clearly signalling that member states will not be making any last-ditch concessions to the UK - and will agree with whatever Michel Barnier, chief EU negotiator, decides to do in the next few days. 

 

Bloomberg’s news platform reports that the pair made the decision during a phone call on Monday which also involved the presidents of the European Commission and Council, Ursula von der Leyen and Charles Michel.

 

The discussion between the four leaders took place before the phone conversation between Ms von der Leyen and Boris Johnson in which the two agreed to meet in Brussels in the “coming days” in a last-ditch effort to try and reach a trade agreement. 

An EU official confirmed that Brexit currently is not on the summit agenda and said Mr Barnier’s negotiating mandate did not need to change,

Looks like the EU states are all speaking with one voice.

 

Germanys!

[david555]

7 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Looks like the EU states are all speaking with one voice.

 

Germanys!

Only avoiding "someone" travelling to Brussels to " highjack "that summit...????

 

But other good news for both

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-deal-northern-ireland-protocol-latest-b1767989.html

The EU and the UK have agreed a deal “in principle” on the fraught issue of the Northern Ireland border, after months of confusion about how the Brexit withdrawal agreement should be implemented.

Under the agreement, the British government has agreed to withdraw clauses from its taxation and internal market bills that would have breached international law by giving it the power to unilaterally overwrite the treaty.

Edited December 8, 2020 by david555

[sandyf]

15 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

We weren't allowed to negotiate and agree our own trade agreements, remember?

So why does the UK want to have access to the single market?

Brexiteers are like shoppers without a mask, they think the rules are for other people.

 

[sandyf]

On 12/8/2020 at 9:30 AM, IvorBiggun2 said:

I worry not. If we have to pay a price to leave the EU then so be it. I can live with that.

But many of the 17 million will have difficulty.

That was never in the plan when they voted: wait a minute, there was no plan.

[polpott]

12 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Looks like the EU states are all speaking with one voice.

 

Germanys!

Why? Because Von der Leyen is German? She's the president of the EU, her nationality is irrelevant. Was Luxemburg ruling the EU when Junker was president? Was Portugal ruling the EU when Barroso was president? Just Brexiteer nonsense.

[polpott]

16 hours ago, vogie said:

Doom and gloom vs Over the moon.

Doom and gloom backed by global financiers. Over the moon backed by pink unicorns promised by Boris Cummings.

[micmichd]

7 minutes ago, polpott said:

Why? Because Von der Leyen is German? She's the president of the EU, her nationality is irrelevant. Was Luxemburg ruling the EU when Junker was president? Was Portugal ruling the EU when Barroso was president? Just Brexiteer nonsense.

Germany is the Eurozone country which supplies most money into the EU fonds, that's why they think they're the leaders. 

[polpott]

Just now, micmichd said:

Germany is the Eurozone country which supplies most money into the EU fonds, that's why they think they're the leaders. 

They may or may not think so but the fact is they aren't. power is shared equally by 27 nations (used to be 28) and is not distributed according to a particular nation's wealth. EU principals 101.

[micmichd]

6 minutes ago, polpott said:

They may or may not think so but the fact is they aren't. power is shared equally by 27 nations (used to be 28) and is not distributed according to a particular nation's wealth. EU principals 101.

That's EU's institutional tragedy. EU was not established as a welfare state but as a financial institution. The veto rights of EU's member states were just set up to give the smaller nations a voice. But still money talks in the EU. One of the reasons why the EU is dissolving. 

[IvorBiggun2]

52 minutes ago, sandyf said:

But many of the 17 million will have difficulty.

Your link to that is?

[polpott]

6 minutes ago, micmichd said:

But still money talks in the EU.

Evidence or Brexiteer rhetoric? EU law would say Brexiteer rhetoric.

[luckyluke]

5 minutes ago, micmichd said:

the EU is dissolving.

Would that be of any importance for the man in the street of the E.U. members?

I still try to find out what concrete impact the E.U. had/has on us.?

 

[IvorBiggun2]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

But many of the 17 million will have difficulty.

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The long term economic impact of deal or no deal is uncertain. Put two economists in a room and you’d get at least three opinions on it. 

An interesting read.  https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/family/brexit-what-it-means-for-you/

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

So why does the UK want to have access to the single market?

Brexiteers are like shoppers without a mask, they think the rules are for other people.

 

Your having a laugh suggest you check this page on EU Infringement decisions 52692 record pick any country in the EU they all break the rules

https://ec.europa.eu/atwork/applying-eu-law/infringements-proceedings/infringement_decisions/index.cfm?lang_code=EN&typeOfSearch=false&active_only=0&noncom=0&r_dossier=&decision_date_from=&decision_date_to=&title=&submit=Search

[Laughing Gravy]

47 minutes ago, polpott said:

Why? Because Von der Leyen is German? She's the president of the EU, her nationality is irrelevant. Was Luxemburg ruling the EU when Junker was president? Was Portugal ruling the EU when Barroso was president? Just Brexiteer nonsense.

If you believe that the Germans have no influence of the whole of the EU then you have no idea and its

pointless replying. The clue is in who pays into the club. As for the Puppets of the so called presidents, they do as they are told.

[luckyluke]

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you believe that the Germans have no influence of the whole of the EU then you have no idea and its

pointless replying. The clue is in who pays into the club. As for the Puppets of the so called presidents, they do as they are told.

Interesting personal view.

And I like particularly the : "If you believe...then you have no idea and it is pointless replying"

Can be used by anyone, on every possible subject.

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Why? Because Von der Leyen is German? She's the president of the EU, her nationality is irrelevant. Was Luxemburg ruling the EU when Junker was president? Was Portugal ruling the EU when Barroso was president? Just Brexiteer nonsense.

No, because, if you had read the post on which I was commenting, you would have seen that the decision was made in a telephone conversation between Frau Merkel and M. Macron. The other 25 states were not involved.

Edited December 9, 2020 by herfiehandbag

[polpott]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you believe that the Germans have no influence of the whole of the EU then you have no idea and its

pointless replying. The clue is in who pays into the club. As for the Puppets of the so called presidents, they do as they are told.

Any evidence or more Brexiteer anti Germany propoganda?

[transam]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Any evidence or more Brexiteer anti Germany propoganda?

There's no anti-British stuff spouted from across the channel here then.....?   ????

[polpott]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

No, because, if you had read the post on which I was commenting, you would have seen that the decision was made in a telephone conversation between Frau Merkel and M. Macron. The other 25 states were not involved.

What decision? That they didn't want brexit on the summit agenda? Hardly ruling the EU. They were voicing their opinion on the agenda, not making a ruling. Logical really as there's nothing new to discuss.

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

There's no anti-British stuff spouted from across the channel here then.....?   ????

Not by me.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

If you believe that the Germans have no influence of the whole of the EU then you have no idea and its

pointless replying. The clue is in who pays into the club. As for the Puppets of the so called presidents, they do as they are told.

I’m afraid you have to accept the sovereignty of those states even if you don’t like their sovereign decisions to remain a EU member. 

[david555]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

No, because, if you had read the post on which I was commenting, you would have seen that the decision was made in a telephone conversation between Frau Merkel and M. Macron. The other 25 states were not involved.

And such decision making calls are sure not made in U.K. we must believe ?....influencers you could call them ...E.R.G . Mister Mog .....one of them as example ......or forgot already mister Cummings .....? ????

Short said.. POLITICS.....a common practise on all sides 

 

 

Edited December 9, 2020 by david555

[RayC]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

I still try to find out what concrete impact the E.U. had/has on us.?

 

If you look at the attached link the EU has quite a large impact on our everyday lives https://amp.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/cw94ct/so_what_has_the_eu_ever_done_for_us/

 

Forgive me for saying it but, as a Belgian, you have probably become a bit blasé about the benefits of the EU. (Some of) us in the UK are all too aware of what we are about to lose.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I’m afraid you have to accept the sovereignty of those states even if you don’t like their sovereign decisions to remain a EU member. 

I have no problem with that at all. It is the likes of yourself and remainers telling us constantly why we shouldn't have left the EU. Are you accepting that the UK has left because I have a good memory and over the years you are one of those telling us what a mistake it is

 

If those countries haven't got the gumption and gonads to be independent well good luck to them.

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Any evidence or more Brexiteer anti Germany propoganda?

Here is some background on the issue. It might be a bit academic put it has the facts.  I could go on all day but I have no doubts you will rubbish it all. After all who wouldn't look after its own interest putting the largest amount in.

 

http://www.su.lt/bylos/mokslo_leidiniai/jmd/2012_4_37/mikhel.pdf

 

Some more for you in simplistic terms.

 

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/germanys-role-in-the-eu-ten-facts-and-figures

 

https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Presse/imported/downloads/xcms_bst_dms_37730_37731_2.pdf

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-single-market-study-idUSKCN1SE07Z

 

[david555]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Here is some background on the issue. It might be a bit academic put it has the facts.  I could go on all day but I have no doubts you will rubbish it all. After all who wouldn't look after its own interest putting the largest amount in.

 

http://www.su.lt/bylos/mokslo_leidiniai/jmd/2012_4_37/mikhel.pdf

 

Some more for you in simplistic terms.

 

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/germanys-role-in-the-eu-ten-facts-and-figures

 

https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Presse/imported/downloads/xcms_bst_dms_37730_37731_2.pdf

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-single-market-study-idUSKCN1SE07Z

 

And nothing you can change on it ....must frustrate some that we do like to be under E.U. ????

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Here is some background on the issue. It might be a bit academic put it has the facts.  I could go on all day but I have no doubts you will rubbish it all. After all who wouldn't look after its own interest putting the largest amount in.

 

http://www.su.lt/bylos/mokslo_leidiniai/jmd/2012_4_37/mikhel.pdf

 

Some more for you in simplistic terms.

 

https://www.deutschland.de/en/topic/politics/germanys-role-in-the-eu-ten-facts-and-figures

 

https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/fileadmin/files/BSt/Presse/imported/downloads/xcms_bst_dms_37730_37731_2.pdf

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-single-market-study-idUSKCN1SE07Z

 

Not one word on how Germany exerts a greater influence on EU decision making than any other member.

 

Nice try but completely off topic.