Covid19 vaccine

[fakser]

If I receive the vaccine, will I be allowed to enter Thailand without quarantine ?

[ubonjoe]

It will be a while before they will allow entries to the country without needing to quarantine after the vaccinations are available. The will wait and see how effective they are.

[Ozybear]

17 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

It will be a while before they will allow entries to the country without needing to quarantine after the vaccinations are available. The will wait and see how effective they are.

other countries are talking 3days quarantine with tests if  vaccinated 

[Solinvictus]

Good question. Maybe in the future this will be true.

[Dogmatix]

I don’t think they will trust vaccination certificates from other countries until the virus is under control in those places, nor should they. The results cited of 90% ++ efficacy are only obtained by comparing the number of infections with symptoms in the placebo group with the vaccinated group. It doesn’t mean that 100% of vaccinated people were exposed to the virus and only 10% got it and they don’t bother to count people who got it without symptoms but are infectious. There has been no attempt to subject the trials to “live challenges” as is sometimes done in normal, lengthy trials.

 

These trials have cut corners massively and there is a good chance that vaccinated people from highly contaminated areas where people refuse to mask up, like the US, will be infectious, not to mention the risk that might have other health issues as a result of being injected with a hardly tested substance, the longer term effects  of which are unknown which should probably require additional medical insurance. There will also be a risk of fake vaccination certificates from some parts of the world. I remember once needing  a yellow fever certificate to come back from Brazil. The only approved vaccination Centre was Thai Immigration in Soi Suan Plu where the corrupt doctor asked for bribe because it was so close to his lunch break at 11.50 and he said I would otherwise have to wait till 2.30. TiT.

[mtls2005]

I think the answer for the OPs question is "No".

 

 

Who knows what mght happen in the future?

 

 

35 minutes ago, Ozybear said:

other countries are talking 3days quarantine with tests if  vaccinated 

 

I searched, couldn't find anything. Can you share these talking countries?

 

 

[Carmine6]

I don't think things go from 14 day quarantine, straight to being open for vaccinated people.  Until there is vaccination of at risk people in Thailand, they will not want it spreading.  Out of the vaccinated groups in the tests, some still got it.  There were no serious cases in those groups, but those people could be infectious for a small time window.

[jacko45k]

18 hours ago, fakser said:

If I receive the vaccine, will I be allowed to enter Thailand without quarantine ?

Too early to say, but not at this time.

[vandeventer]

It might come down to where the vaccine was made? Who really knows what they are thinking.

[TSF]

It won't be an overnight complete change from the present requirements to no need to quarantine, it'll be a gradual relaxing of regulations. All indications are that as the vaccines are now rolling out, by mid 2021 we should see the great majority of people around the world vaccinated and significant reductions in global covid cases. As the situation improves, so the regulations will ease. 

[Dogmatix]

33 minutes ago, Carmine6 said:

I don't think things go from 14 day quarantine, straight to being open for vaccinated people.  Until there is vaccination of at risk people in Thailand, they will not want it spreading.  Out of the vaccinated groups in the tests, some still got it.  There were no serious cases in those groups, but those people could be infectious for a small time window.

And remember they only count symptomatic cases in the trials. People who got it without symptoms and are infectious are not counted. The criteria were designed to convince the public with high percentage effectiveness headline numbers of hastily down trials lacking normal thoroughness. Most people don’t look into the details.

[mfd101]

18 minutes ago, TSF said:

by mid 2021 we should see the great majority of people around the world vaccinated and significant reductions in global covid cases.

Everything I've read that's serious (as opposed to governments' 'cheer-up' propaganda) suggests that this is wildly optimistic. It will be 2022 before anything like a 'majority' of the high-risk people in a majority of countries have been 'done', let alone all the others.

 

Effects of the vaccines - short-, medium- & long-term - are simply unknown at this stage. Depends on which vaccine you use and the principles on which it is constructed. Effects could vary widely.

 

Debate is ongoing - on the basis of theory rather than empirical experience - about whether those vaccinated will be infectious ("shedding") or not. Early view is that 'infectious after vaccination' is possible but unlikely so only a small threat. But experience may prove this wrong.

 

In sum, if people think that vaccination in the next 12 months will solve all of life's problems, think again.

Edited December 8, 2020 by mfd101

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, TSF said:

It won't be an overnight complete change from the present requirements to no need to quarantine, it'll be a gradual relaxing of regulations. All indications are that as the vaccines are now rolling out, by mid 2021 we should see the great majority of people around the world vaccinated and significant reductions in global covid cases. As the situation improves, so the regulations will ease. 

It is simply impossible that the great majority of people around the world will have been vaccinated by mid 2021. Look at Thailand. It has announced it will only start vaccinating in May 2021 and has only ordered enough vaccine for less than 20% of its population. What about India, Indonesia, Burma, Vietnam, Cambodia, Africa? Will they do better than Thailand and vaccinate the majority of their populations by mid 2021? No.

Edited December 8, 2020 by Dogmatix

[Andrew Dwyer]

In the case of the U.K. the vaccine is a two part injection, the second jab 3 weeks after the first so I think you have time to see what effect vaccination will have on travel restrictions .

 

Plus, as per anfh’s reply no one knows the answer to your question on here and any replies are hearsay .

[Sheryl]

There is no provision for this at this time.

 

What will be decided in future is unknown.

 

Specifically it is unknown if Thai authorities will decide to allow people to enter quarantine free if they have proof of vaccination prior to having immunized the majority of the Thai people.

 

It will in any case be many months before there are many potential travellers with proof of vaccination. Even from the countries starting first.

[millymoopoo]

Maybe it will depend on the specific vaccine used.!

Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand one vaccine prepares the immune system to fight off the infection when infected, thus a person would still be infectious if they got the virus.

Whereas the other vaccine attacks the proteins on the virus rendering it impotent thus disabling it's potential to spread to others.

[Surelynot]

I think you will at least need a 'recent' negative test result to support the vaccine certificate.....even the best vaccine is only 95%.

[mrfaroukh]

Wait until all Thai get vaccination then I guess we can go without any vaccination or quarantine as all Thai are vaccinated and safe

[FritsSikkink]

15 minutes ago, mrfaroukh said:

Wait until all Thai get vaccination then I guess we can go without any vaccination or quarantine as all Thai are vaccinated and safe

They won't be all safe as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. Depending on the rate of the medicine their still will be 3.5 - 7 million people not safe.

[mick01827]

You do realise it hasn't had long term testing, what are the side effects after 5 years? They're not telling you because they don't know!

[mick01827]

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

They won't be all safe as the vaccine isn't 100% effective. Depending on the rate of the medicine their still will be 3.5 - 7 million people not safe.

And don't forget it's that deadly that at Christmas in England we can mix with any 3 families from anywhere in the country! And people still believe its real! SERIOUSLY!!!!!

[khunPer]

23 hours ago, fakser said:

If I receive the vaccine, will I be allowed to enter Thailand without quarantine ?

Probably not before an international vaccine passport or registration has been agreed; and furthermore, as other have mentioned, the vaccines shows to be effective.

[TSF]

11 minutes ago, mick01827 said:

You do realise it hasn't had long term testing, what are the side effects after 5 years? They're not telling you because they don't know!

So the alternative is? We can wait another 5 years: the global death toll, the destruction of economies, the collapse of societies. Vaccines are our only hope of getting out of this hideous mess.

[sometimewoodworker]

4 hours ago, TSF said:

It won't be an overnight complete change from the present requirements to no need to quarantine, it'll be a gradual relaxing of regulations. All indications are that as the vaccines are now rolling out, by mid 2021 we should see the great majority of people around the world vaccinated and significant reductions in global covid cases. As the situation improves, so the regulations will ease. 

You got the date wrong. There is no chance of a majority vaccination before 2022. Some countries will be sooner.

[sometimewoodworker]

3 hours ago, millymoopoo said:

Maybe it will depend on the specific vaccine used.!

Please correct me if I'm wrong but as I understand one vaccine prepares the immune system to fight off the infection when infected, thus a person would still be infectious if they got the virus.

Whereas the other vaccine attacks the proteins on the virus rendering it impotent thus disabling it's potential to spread to others.

You are wrong. There are 51 vaccines currently being researched about 10 are on or passed stage 3 trials. Different vaccines work in different ways, in that you are correct.

 

There is insufficient data on the possible spread of infection from a vaccinated individual to know if it’s a concern. Each vaccine would need separate trials to determine if it’s a risk. The current data suggests it is not.

[Traubert]

36 minutes ago, sometimewoodworker said:

You got the date wrong. There is no chance of a majority vaccination before 2022. Some countries will be sooner.

Kind of contradictory...........

[sometimewoodworker]

1 minute ago, Traubert said:

Kind of contradictory...........

No look at the original post

[Chongalulu]

7 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

I don’t think they will trust vaccination certificates from other countries until the virus is under control in those places, nor should they. The results cited of 90% ++ efficacy are only obtained by comparing the number of infections with symptoms in the placebo group with the vaccinated group. It doesn’t mean that 100% of vaccinated people were exposed to the virus and only 10% got it and they don’t bother to count people who got it without symptoms but are infectious. There has been no attempt to subject the trials to “live challenges” as is sometimes done in normal, lengthy trials.

 

These trials have cut corners massively and there is a good chance that vaccinated people from highly contaminated areas where people refuse to mask up, like the US, will be infectious, not to mention the risk that might have other health issues as a result of being injected with a hardly tested substance, the longer term effects  of which are unknown which should probably require additional medical insurance. There will also be a risk of fake vaccination certificates from some parts of the world. I remember once needing  a yellow fever certificate to come back from Brazil. The only approved vaccination Centre was Thai Immigration in Soi Suan Plu where the corrupt doctor asked for bribe because it was so close to his lunch break at 11.50 and he said I would otherwise have to wait till 2.30. TiT.

" Cut corners massively ". The ignorance in that statement is breathtakingly bar stool ignorant. The reason it has arrived so quickly is because processes were run in parallel as opposed to consecutively ( I doubt you understand what that means). It is a much more FINANCIALLY risky process (not clinically) but the potential losses were subsumed to the huge benefits and urgency of getting a safe effective vaccine in wide distribution. Huge high risk investment has paid off . By the way any document/certificate can be falsified but the world doesn’t freeze life going on to prevent minority incidences. 

[AMFWolfie]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

I think you will at least need a 'recent' negative test result to support the vaccine certificate.....even the best vaccine is only 95%.

Most sensible answer so far. I believe the vaccine being rolled out in the UK today takes up to a month after the 2nd injection to become fully effective. If the airport were to provide Covid test and results at the airport before flying, and certificate states final jab one month prior, I would say that person has not got COVID, is very unlikely to catch or spread it, and is safe to travel anywhere including Thailand without quarantine.

 

The test and negative result 72 hours before as I have just done and in my 4th day of quarantine, is still not 100%. Apart from catching Covid anywhen within that 72 hour period, from taxi driver on way to airport, bus train etc or an infected traveler at the airport who has  done one of these on-line consultation covid test where a doctor simply calls you and asks if you have any symptoms and for £80 send you a FTF certificate which is what many Thai returnees have done, is just not secure enough. Test literally before you fly is the only sure way of knowing...

[ronaldo0]

No as why kill the ???????????????? ????