Laughing Gravy Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, luckyluke said: You have a negative approach of the future of the E.U., fair enough It could be argued its a realistic one and 44 years of evidence that can support that. 2 minutes ago, luckyluke said: Time will tell. It will but it seems there are a lot of EU people (not saying you are0 but are getting very angry that the UK has left its club. Why they don't want us (except our money and fishing waters) so why not part on good terms. I have no malice to any EU country just the EU entity. I pity many of them but that's another thing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 32 minutes ago, luckyluke said: And The United Kingdom where after the wars with the Scottish ,there is peace between the four countries. That was a good few hundred years ago. Nearly 10 times longer than the EU's age. If you are talking about independence people are use to it. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Freedom is always worth a little sacrifice. Freedom is a relative concept. My notion goes further than the act of voluntarily leave a group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 14 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Freedom is always worth a little sacrifice. The consequences of Brexit, deal or no deal, are far from being........ "a little sacrifice" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThomasThBKK Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Surelynot said: The consequences of Brexit, deal or no deal, are far from being........ "a little sacrifice" Also the freedom of not being able to just live in 20+ more countries sounds more like freedumb to me. Anyway - the market will speak and judge, all our opinions are meaningless. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Surelynot said: The consequences of Brexit, deal or no deal, are far from being........ "a little sacrifice" And the moral of the story is, if you don't vote you end up with nothing apart from meaningless slogans like "always somebody elses fault". The consequences of ignoring a democratic vote would have been so catastrophic it would have been the end of voting in our country as we know it, the vote would have been as meaningless as a remainer slogan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, vogie said: And the moral of the story is, if you don't vote you end up with nothing apart from meaningless slogans like "always somebody elses fault". The consequences of ignoring a democratic vote would have been so catastrophic it would have been the end of voting in our country as we know it, the vote would have been as meaningless as a remainer slogan. Bit rich on the slogan front.....the country has been run by Cummings on three word slogans from the get go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 10 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: It could be argued its a realistic one and 44 years of evidence that can support that. You could indeed, but you know that it is a personal approach, as well shared as rejected by many. 13 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: it seems there are a lot of EU people (not saying you are0 but are getting very angry that the UK has left its club. Indeed, but that's a negative approach. The positive one will be, that there a lot who are not angry. 14 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said: I have no malice to any EU country just the EU entity. I pity many of them but that's another thing It's fine you have no malice with the people, only with the entity. We in Europe have mostly no feeling at all against the E.U., it may change when we will have concrete negative effects of it, on our daily life, you will be right to pity us than. Of course if the effects are positive, we won't say a word, just enjoy them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Bit rich on the slogan front.....the country has been run by Cummings on three word slogans from the get go. I think you have missed the gist of my post, do you believe in democracy or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, Surelynot said: The consequences of Brexit, deal or no deal, are far from being........ "a little sacrifice" You'd rather be in thrall to Brussels then? What happened to Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame; All their attempts to bend thee down Will but arouse thy generous flame, But work their woe and thy renown. Britons never, never, never will be slaves. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, vogie said: I think you have missed the gist of my post, do you believe in democracy or not. Absolutely 100% sir......just hate the results. As Churchill said..."The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average Brexit voter". Edited December 12, 2020 by Surelynot 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, luckyluke said: The 24 June 2016, 1 day after the Brexit referendum, it was clear for everyone that the U.K. will leave the E.U.. No deals were in place between the soon past member, and the E.U.. It is still a fact that Sunday the 13th. December the U.K. will leave the E.U. ( a matter of days). It is high probable that there still will be no deals between the E.U. and the U.K., as there weren't on the 24th. June 2016. That some Leave voters continue to claim their victory 4 years+ after the results, is fair enough. However I don't understand, why they would claim victory now for leaving the E.U with a non-deal; there have never been one. It is still a fact that Sunday the 13th. December the U.K. will leave the E.U. ( a matter of days). You are a born optimist ????..... as they go kick the can as far they find a way or reason to , with only purpose to hope E.U. go flat belly "as they always do last minute " ..."their brexiteers mantra " and ultimate desperate hope ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: You'd rather be in thrall to Brussels then? What happened to Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame; All their attempts to bend thee down Will but arouse thy generous flame, But work their woe and thy renown. Britons never, never, never will be slaves. Oh dear 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Surelynot said: Absolutely 100% sir......just hate the results. As Churchill said..."The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average Brexit voter". I look forward to you providing a link where (Winston Churchill who died January 24, 1965) made such statement otherwise I suspect your post is 100% BS 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: I look forward to you providing a link where (Winston Churchill who died January 24, 1965) made such statement otherwise I suspect your post is 100% BS 5555 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vinny41 Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Surelynot said: 5555 Thanks for confirming that your post regarding what Winston Churchill stated was 100% BS 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vogie Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Surelynot said: Absolutely 100% sir......just hate the results. As Churchill said..."The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average Brexit voter". And in a democracy the losers must give their consent to the outcome of whatever was voted for, and without the losers consent democracy will totally collapse. That it the reason a democratic result must be given the highest respect. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, vogie said: And in a democracy the losers must give their consent to the outcome of whatever was voted for, and without the losers consent democracy will totally collapse. That it the reason a democratic result must be given the highest respect. That is for the U.K. side .... E.U. is not in for that as we did not vote or even asked for brexit .... we just had to accept your leaving ... nothing more ... All other things you would eventually get is just goodwill , nothing automatic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Thanks for confirming that your post regarding what Winston Churchill stated was 100% BS I am torn now between thinking you are a wind-up merchant, you simply don't do humor or you have now more than a tenuous grasp of historical time lines. How on Earth could Churchill have ever uttered the word Brexit???? 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, david555 said: That is for the U.K. side .... E.U. is not in for that as we did not vote or even asked for brexit .... we just had to accept your leaving ... nothing more ... All other things you would eventually get is just goodwill , nothing automatic I think it would be safe to say without any fear of contradiction that the EU knows nothing of the word "goodwill" 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, vinny41 said: Thanks for confirming that your post regarding what Winston Churchill stated was 100% BS You do know I am quoting the statesman....not the dog? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luckyluke Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 Just now, vogie said: And in a democracy the losers must give their consent to the outcome of whatever was voted for, and without the losers consent democracy will totally collapse. That it the reason a democratic result must be given the highest respect. Are there losers who didn't agree with the democratic result of the referendum? Personally never read that. What I well read, nearly daily, since years, is that they consider the result as a bad thing for the Britons, usually accompany with what they consider as facts, to sustain their opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, vogie said: I think it would be safe to say without any fear of contradiction that the EU knows nothing of the word "goodwill" "Goodwill " is also an accountants expression when example letting over a business ....???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinny41 Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Surelynot said: You do know I am quoting the statesman....not the dog? Red Herrings: Famous Quotes Churchill Never Said A Concise List of Attributed Churchill Quotes which Winston Never Uttered “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” No attribution. Though he sometimes despaired of democracy’s slowness to act for its preservation, Churchill had a more positive attitude towards the average voter. https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-141/red-herrings-famous-quotes-churchill-never-said/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, vinny41 said: Red Herrings: Famous Quotes Churchill Never Said A Concise List of Attributed Churchill Quotes which Winston Never Uttered “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” No attribution. Though he sometimes despaired of democracy’s slowness to act for its preservation, Churchill had a more positive attitude towards the average voter. https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-141/red-herrings-famous-quotes-churchill-never-said/ You should never let the truth stand in the way of a good story (not Churchill....I don't think) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post david555 Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Surelynot said: You should never let the truth stand in the way of a good story (not Churchill....I don't think) Never Let The Truth Get in the Way of a Good Story | by ... (medium.com) " Only weeks later, with the assistance of Google, do I learn that the quote is actually attributable to a little-known writer named MARK TWAIN. " Edited December 12, 2020 by david555 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Surelynot Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 1 minute ago, david555 said: Never Let The Truth Get in the Way of a Good Story | by ... (medium.com) If in doubt always go with Churchill or Mark Twain....555 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vogie Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 16 minutes ago, luckyluke said: What I well read, nearly daily, since years, is that they consider the result as a bad thing for the Britons, usually accompany with what they consider as facts, to sustain their opinion. But the majority of the Brits consider it a good thing, and to prove it we held a referendum and the icing on the cake was when they gave Boris a mandate in 2019 to get the job done. It's like telling a child that he is not going to get the latest super dooper X Box, I think after 5 years the child will be smart enough to get the message that the X Box he wants will not be forthcoming, why can't the remainers see that we have left and get behind their country and MUKGA. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughing Gravy Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 55 minutes ago, Surelynot said: Absolutely 100% sir......just hate the results. As Churchill said..."The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average Brexit voter". Know he never you have made up the part about Brexit. How deceitful. is that a remainer trait or just aligned to you. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted December 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2020 2 hours ago, vinny41 said: Absolute garbage, The UK can simply say No Deal In the event that the UK rejects the latest measures proposed by the EU concerning transport, and neither side recognises the other's regulations, how will freight continue to move if a dispute arises? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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