27 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Both sides?  There is only one side playing with democratic norms.

 

PH

There are some very fine people on both sides.

18 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Both sides need to take a deep breath and clear their heads.

Why?

 

Only Trump's "side" is causing the problem.

 

Biden's "side" has always had clear heads and know that that they won the Presidential election fairly and squarely. They also had faith and trust in the US justice system.

1 hour ago, J Town said:

He has ONE option - start packing his bags.

 

Today I saw Hannity ask Giuliani what options were left. Rudy said he's going back to the states and ask again if they'd change their minds. Using the same evidence (none). Rehashing the same lawsuits (over 50 lost).

 

Let it go. Your boy lost. You need to get past the denial stage of grieving in order to move on and accept reality.

 

1. denial.

2. anger.

3. bargaining.

4. depression.

5. acceptance.

 

Good luck on your spiritual journey.

It is pretty obvious that they don't care about winning any lawsuits, they know they can't. It is very clear that they are just conning the cult followers out of their money by having them donate to this bogus defense fund which in reality just funnels money straight to the cult leader. It is a scam and a fraud on the entire American system.

4 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

There are some very fine people on both sides.

Really?

 

Then please name 10 fine Republican senators and 10 more Republican congressmen.

9 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

There are some very fine people on both sides.

No. There are fine people on one side, the side that won.

 

The other side is composed of traitors, cowards, seditionists and losers.

 

As for 45 'still C-in-C', he has little authority now because he has alienated the Joint Chiefs. They planned for this eventuality.

 

45 is an impotent loser, his 'sound and fury signifying nothing'.

7 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Really?

 

Then please name 10 fine Republican senators and 10 more Republican congressmen.

Give the guy a sporting chance, cut it back to 5 each.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/01/trump-is-an-expert-making-money-off-losing-now-hes-doing-it-again/

 

Trump won’t concede because it’s so profitable to keep the con going

...

Trump claims to be an expert on winning. His actual area of expertise is how to profit from losing. He survived the bankruptcy of six of his businesses, and he will survive the moral bankruptcy of his presidency. He has now figured out how to monetize assaults on our democracy. He will keep going at least until 2024, and then either regain the Republican nomination for himself or hand it off to a favored sycophant.

 

A new McLaughlin/Newsmax poll of the 2024 Republican primary without Trump has Donald Trump Jr. tied for the lead with Vice President Pence at 20 percent. Ivanka Trump is at 4 percent. This isn’t the Republican Party. It’s the Trumplican Party. Support for the supreme leader trumps, so to speak, any devotion to democracy.

 

Edited December 12, 20205 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

31 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

You mean... like this -- Please don't hold back your true feelings now...

 

 

Remember, Trump is still Commander-in-chief.  He may just go for it.

Hope he does. That would add high treason (if it's not on the list already) to the list of offences. BTW, it that still punishable by death?

 

Manhattan prosecutors are reportedly 'significantly escalating' their investigation into Trump

 

6 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Hope he does. That would add high treason (if it's not on the list already) to the list of offences. BTW, it that still punishable by death?

 

Manhattan prosecutors are reportedly 'significantly escalating' their investigation into Trump

 

Getting ready for 21 January! ????

....the legal standing wasn't the issue. Of course the brunt of the suit was whether state legislative or executive have the final say in state law. Now, the new rules stand. Regardless of state law, the executive can change any law they do not chose to abide by. Future elections will not be determined by a vote, but by the whims of whichever party is in power. The USA has just joined the ranks of the 3rd World.

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/12/01/trump-is-an-expert-making-money-off-losing-now-hes-doing-it-again/

 

Trump won’t concede because it’s so profitable to keep the con going

...

Trump claims to be an expert on winning. His actual area of expertise is how to profit from losing. He survived the bankruptcy of six of his businesses, and he will survive the moral bankruptcy of his presidency. He has now figured out how to monetize assaults on our democracy. He will keep going at least until 2024, and then either regain the Republican nomination for himself or hand it off to a favored sycophant.

 

A new McLaughlin/Newsmax poll of the 2024 Republican primary without Trump has Donald Trump Jr. tied for the lead with Vice President Pence at 20 percent. Ivanka Trump is at 4 percent. This isn’t the Republican Party. It’s the Trumplican Party. Support for the supreme leader trumps, so to speak, any devotion to democracy.

 

I imagine the professional loser will start working the rubes with the victim gambit.I find that one particularly amusing cause poor Donald only got a paltry 400 million and a bunch of rentals from da da I do think your post is spot on about capitalizing on losing what a conn

18 minutes ago, Morty T said:

....the legal standing wasn't the issue. Of course the brunt of the suit was whether state legislative or executive have the final say in state law. Now, the new rules stand. Regardless of state law, the executive can change any law they do not chose to abide by. Future elections will not be determined by a vote, but by the whims of whichever party is in power. The USA has just joined the ranks of the 3rd World.

 

not at all.  there are no "new rules."  as there was no standing, the case was not heard, nothing was decided.  in future, they can bring a case up through the courts which will provide standing before the supreme court.

 

................well, if they have evidence.  affidavits and speculative theories will still amount to bupkis.

23 minutes ago, Morty T said:

....the legal standing wasn't the issue. Of course the brunt of the suit was whether state legislative or executive have the final say in state law. Now, the new rules stand. Regardless of state law, the executive can change any law they do not chose to abide by. Future elections will not be determined by a vote, but by the whims of whichever party is in power. The USA has just joined the ranks of the 3rd World.

Nonsense. Legal standing was the issue, so your post is incorrect from start to finish.

7 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

Most Americans love Socialism; they just don't know it. (Pure Libertarians may be holdouts).

 

-The Dept of Defense, where we're all protected equally despite paying vastly different amounts of taxes, is Socialism.

-The FDA, which approves drugs and checks food, is Socialism

-The Interstate highway system, which has no tolls, is Socialism

-FDIC Insurance for bank deposits under $250K is Socialism

-Medicare and Unemployment Insurance, even Social Security, are Socialism, as payouts often exceed anything ever paid-in

 

Even a 45 supporter who rants against Socialism can sleep well at night knowing the US is unlikely to be attacked, that the evening meal probably won't make his children sick, that his insulin for his Diabetes Type II won't kill him, that Grandma will make it home safely on I80, that his savings will still be in the bank in the morning, and that if he's laid off he will receive compensation for a time.

 

well said, also add the largest military in the world, the police, fire dept, public schools etc. etc. etc.makes me laugh when they talk negative about socialism.

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Amongst which fleeing the country is probably the only one that will keep him out of prison.

 

I heard an interview with Barbara Res the other day.  She managed projects for Trump over 18 years, but quit years ago.  She thinks that Trump will indeed flee the country to avoid prosecution in NY State and possibly other states.  My own view is that the most rational course of action for Trump is to pardon his family and co-conspirators, get a pardon for himself from Pence, and then flee the country.  I assume that his lawyers advise him as much.

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Don't be too happy. The resistance begins January 21.

 

It's a pity the SCOTUS didn't allow it as if the election was won fair and square Biden would still be POTUS come Jan 20, but the matter would be settled. Just refusing to take the case means that the accusation of fraud will not be going away any time soon. 70 million angry Americans is not a good way to start a term.

However, IMO there are around 70 million Americans that will feel aggrieved, and do everything they can to bring Biden down.

Expect the same sort of <deleted> as Trump got the past 4 years, and if the GOP wins a majority in the house come 2022, expect some large payback. If the GOP still hold the senate they might even impeach and convict Biden.

Regardless, the investigation into Hunter Biden will IMO hurt Joe Biden, and the Chinese spy sleeping with a Democrat politician should be satisfyingly embarrassing to Pelosi, who is downplaying it. I'm sure there are a lot of embarrassing things to come out about Democrats, so I'm expecting US politics to be entertaining for some time to come.

The madness continues until the underlying justified frustration/anger within the working middle class concerning the economic imbalance is addressed.

14 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

The madness continues until the underlying justified frustration/anger within the working middle class concerning the economic imbalance is addressed.

i.e. will continue forever.

A number of posts have been removed, including some trolling references, disallowed non news agency social media content, and personal references to members, along with replies.

 

11 hours ago, bendejo said:

Can a president remove a Supreme Court justice he installed?  How about three of them?

 

 

So funny. The President nominates, not installs. So Obama nominated Justice Merrill Garland but Obama did not install him. The Senate must confirm or the Justice is not installed. In the case of the example I cited, the Senate refused to consider the Presidential nomination.

5 hours ago, J Town said:

Give it time.

 

In a more recent tweet he quotes Sean Hannity '

 

" Justices Thomas and Alito would've allowed Texas to proceed with it's Texas election lawsuit " ..

 

but I'm confused as I thought Hannity worked on Fox news .. But aren't Fox now lower than dog dirt in the eyes of DJT for having the temerity to announce a state for J B in the days after the election .? Or is S H some sort of fifth columnist within Fox continuing to sound the clarion for DT before self destructing when he ( D T ) gets turfed out of the Whitehouse next month ..

 

 

The last line of the tweet is telling ..

"  Never even given our day in court!  "

They are the sentiments of a man who knew this was never really going to work and are were more likely uttered to assuage his core support and keep the fire burning .. 

4 hours ago, Kelsall said:

There are some very fine people on both sides.

 

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Really?

 

Then please name 10 fine Republican senators and 10 more Republican congressmen.

Actually if you want to give him pause, ask him to do that re Democrats.

15 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

but I'm confused as I thought Hannity worked on Fox news .. But aren't Fox now lower than dog dirt in the eyes of DJT

 

Let's see where fortune leads [Trump].  Prison, exile, madhouse, assisted-living facility, . . ..  Barring those perhaps a deal with an existing tinfoilhat news outlet or starting his own.  He could take Hannity with him.

 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by onthedarkside
name calling reference removed

2 hours ago, bendejo said:

 

Let's see where fortune leads the man with the orange face.  Prison, exile, madhouse, assisted-living facility, . . ..  Barring those perhaps a deal with an existing tinfoilhat news outlet or starting his own.  He could take Hannity with him.

 

I'll go with whatever this former mail order meat salesman thinks will make the most money from the rubes.  Grifting those idiots has been one of his few successful business ventures.  He might even be able to pay off his hundreds of millions in debt have as much liquid wealth as the Obama's some day.

Edited December 12, 20205 yr by shdmn

1 hour ago, shdmn said:

I'll go with whatever this former mail order meat salesman thinks will make the most money from the rubes.  Grifting those idiots has been one of his few successful business ventures.  He might even be able to pay off his hundreds of millions in debt have as much liquid wealth as the Obama's some day.

He's made over 200 million from his cult members since election day.  And he can  pretty much do whatever he wants with that money.  Suckers...

7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

He's made over 200 million from his cult members since election day.  And he can  pretty much do whatever he wants with that money.  Suckers...

I think he only keeps half but it's still a nice haul.  All he had to do was say "the election was rigged" over and over again and the rubes lined up to send him their social security checks.  Sounds like a pretty sweet gig if you ask me.

Edited December 12, 20205 yr by shdmn

20 minutes ago, shdmn said:

I think he only keeps half but it's still a nice haul.  All he had to do was say "the election was rigged" over and over again and the rubes lined up to send him their social security checks.  Sounds like a pretty sweet gig if you ask me.

I thought it was more than half???  But either way, that's a lot of cash.

 

Here's why he's raking in the cash.  Clueless cult members:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2020/12/11/trump-supporters-georgia-misinformation-osullivan-ebof-vpx.cnn

9 hours ago, wwest5829 said:

The madness continues until the underlying justified frustration/anger within the working middle class concerning the economic imbalance is addressed.

And racism.  Most of Trump's supporters are whites with no college degree.  I think a lot of this BS started with Obama.  These people couldn't stand a black man (half black) as president.  Look at their comments at BLM.  They're clueless Kens and Karens.

27 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

And racism.  Most of Trump's supporters are whites with no college degree.  I think a lot of this BS started with Obama.  These people couldn't stand a black man (half black) as president.  Look at their comments at BLM.  They're clueless Kens and Karens.

It's a lot of things but it all can be distilled down to hating libs.  Anything and everything about libs.  So much so that they are willing to sacrifice democracy itself over it.  A lot of it pounded into them over decades of brainwashing by Fox news and now more and more from the internet. 99% of them will never change.  The only thing you can do is outvote them and wait for them to die off.

 

There are no such things as conservative values anymore.  Those people are still there but nobody cares what they have to say.  The only policy they care about is the policy to want to make libs cry.  That is the only requirement necessary to be a part of the cult.

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by shdmn

29 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

He's made over 200 million from his cult members since election day.  And he can  pretty much do whatever he wants with that money.  Suckers...

 

i dunno.  he's got half a billion in debt coming due next year.  deutsche bank and the saudis want their money back....now.  as an ex-president, they no longer have to wait.  they want to dump him as a client, and no new banks will take him on.

 

due to the covids, and the situation in the usa he's fully responsible for, his golf courses and hotels and casinos are struggling, many were money-losers before the virus troubles.  look for more bankruptcies and desperate deal-making as he scrambles to stay above water.

 

there are now 80 million americans that hate his guts, and a hell of a lotta those 70 million maga'rs will soon realize what he's done to the republican party and to them personally (and to the country as a whole).  when the loss finally sinks in, many will abandon him.  his planned media empire will flounder as his fans abandon him.  he might get a weekly podcast "from an undisclosed location" for the core dead-enders, but he'll never get "the numbers."  and numbers is all he's ever been about.

 

what's left?  he's not even welcome on fox news!  he's still got a security detail for life, but who will have him?  which bars, hotels, country clubs (not owned by self) would let him and his g-men in?  trump is no longer president, so who wants the headache of his whining, and the disruption of closing to the public for his specialness, not to mention the inevitable protests, public shaming, boycotts that will come with serving his entourage?

 

don't forget, the covids ain't over.  not by a long shot, and some are saying the worst is yet to come.  the vaccine won't be readily available for months, after the xmas season, after the anti-inauguration rallies and demonstrations.  before this is over, expect half a million dead.  that's a lot of angry friends and relatives that will be hounding him the rest of his life.  i wouldn't wanna be him alone in public, without a bulletproof limo and a herd of trained g'men for protection.

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

It's a lot of things but it all can be distilled down to hating libs.  Anything and everything about libs.  So much so that they are willing to sacrifice democracy itself over it.  Most of it pounded into them over decades of brainwashing by Fox news and now more and more from the internet.

Right. It is about owning the libs. Basically it's a cult of personality on the part of most Republicans. We know this because when Trump reversed himself on issues like the swamp his followers applauded.  Remember when Wall St was part of the swamp and Trump promised to bring it to heel? But when he appointed Steve Mnuchin, his followers applauded. And the results were entirely predictable: greatly reduced enforcement of Wall St. Whereas when Biden selected Austin, a much milder transgression, Democrats objected.