After the White House, Trump faces uncertain future and legal threats

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

  You were saying Jeff, about others needing a better source for their news, yet....

 

"Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

 

From you're article.  You need to fully read links before you post.  Not just the headline.

 

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During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax." During the speech he also seemed to downplay the severity of the outbreak, comparing it to the common flu.

 

[J Town]

On 12/16/2020 at 2:58 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

On 12/16/2020 at 2:45 PM, GrandPapillon said:

Congrats to Biden, now that it's official. Trump will be missed for his entertainment value and for "disrupting" the system. Best POTUS ever ????

 

Ya, best ever for disrupting and demonizing the U.S. tradition of democratic governance and government. Best ever would-be U.S. dictator.

Not the best, not the worst. He's a malleable corporatist deep in the pocket of Big Pharma. I believe he'll steer back to a centrist government that will ease up on the fleecing of the public. It will CERTAINLY be Corporations First, never "We, The People" First under a Biden administration.

[J Town]

It looks like the pressure is heating up to hold this crime family accountable for their sins:

FEC To Be Sued If They Don't Act On Trump And Kushner Illegally Taking $617 Million In Campaign Funds (politicususa.com)

[ChouDoufu]

to be fair, trump did NOT call the virus itself a hoax, but rather the democratic claims that his regime was botching the response.

 

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

During a Feb. 28, 2020, campaign rally in South Carolina, President Donald Trump likened the Democrats' criticism of his administration's response to the new coronavirus outbreak to their efforts to impeach him, saying "this is their new hoax."

 

of course, after over 300000 dead americans, mainly due to the regime's non-response, turns out the criticism was indeed fair and balanced.

[ChouDoufu]

18 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

I think you are being easily misinformed with fake news,

 

the science is not unanimous on covid, as it should (science is about questioning, not unanimous answer),  there is only interpretation of the science by "experts", so they all have different opinions. Trump chose not to follow the "official" one, and he is perfectly entitled to that, he takes the "political" decision, not science or the experts. And he was right. You or others might not agree with his decision, but it's irrelevant.

 

The Chinese are having a third wave, so is South Korea and Thailand. There is no stopping to it. You can't take officially what the Chinese are saying, they lied for months about their numbers, and now you want to believe them that they have everything "in control"? they don't, hence why nobody can enter or leave the country, unless they have a very good reason.

 

have you been hitting the epock times again?  falun gong trump supporting talking points.

 

no third (not even a second!) wave in china.  there's really been very little here since the massive outbreak in wuhan.  over the past months there have been a few minor clusters, mostly associated with border crossings with russia and north korea.  in case of local transmissions, they lock down a district or entire city and mass-test the entire population to nip it in the bud.

 

here in hainan (population 12 million), we've had 170 cases since the beginning, with 6 deaths.  life has completely returned to normal, even the cinemas are open.  the virus is something we read about, happening in far-off locations.

 

nobody can leave?  might have something to do with the virus raging uncontrolled in some countries, most international travel shut down, and very limited air travel.  STV's and SETV's are available at thai consulates here in china, and some travel to thailand has already commenced....for those willing to jump through the hoops and pay for two weeks of quarantine, with quarantine required again upon return.  group tours are currently not permitted, but individual travel is available to countries that are issuing visas.

[cmarshall]

I had been expecting Trump to get a pardon from Pence, either by resigning or by invoking the 25th Amendment to transfer temporarily the powers of the presidency to the VP.  Trump would rather self-pardon, of course, but all the lawyers around him are no doubt explaining the danger that a self-pardon could be overturned in court.  Now, however, we hear that immediately after presiding at the festivities in the Congress on Jan. 6 Pence will be skipping out of the country until Biden's inauguration.  That implies that Pence wants to be beyond the reach of the pleas from Trump to issue a pardon to him.  Pence, we should remember, still has political ambitions and will have noticed how Gerald Ford's political career was terminated by the pardon he issued to Nixon.  

 

If that's a correct reading of the situation, Trump's only remaining out will indeed be a self-pardon.  If he does it, then the Biden administration will have no reasonable recourse, but to challenge the self-pardon in court, which can only be done by indicting Trump and letting the judge decide if the indictment is effective given the self-pardon.  I expect both the district judge and then the judge of the circuit court of appeals to disallow the self-pardon at which point Trump will certainly appeal to the Supreme Court, who will want to let Trump off the hook, but will not have any plausible legal basis for doing so. 

[stevenl]

25 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

I had been expecting Trump to get a pardon from Pence, either by resigning or by invoking the 25th Amendment to transfer temporarily the powers of the presidency to the VP.  <snip>

I used to be of the same opinion, but have changed my mind. He is too much of a narcissist to do that.

[cmarshall]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I used to be of the same opinion, but have changed my mind. He is too much of a narcissist to do that.

The thing about Trump is that while his mental illness is running rampant most of the time, when it comes to protecting himself from legal exposure he has usually been quite careful.  So, Michael Cohen explained that Trump never said flat out some illegal step that he wanted Cohen to carry out for him, but he nevertheless got Cohen to understand what was required.  That's the reason Cohen's book was such a dud: he didn't have any real smoking guns.  It's no different from other crime families where the godfather speaks in code to the underlings.

 

Therefore, I expect that Trump would sooner or later absorb the fact that his lawyers have no doubt explained to him over and over again, that the self-pardon might not hold up in court.  I expect that Trump understands very well the value of the ultimate get-out-of-jail-free card offers to a career criminal like himself and would be willing to swallow his pride to ask Pence to provide it.

 

And maybe Pence will.  Maybe he will be fleeing the country to escape the wrath of the nation at pardoning trump.  

[Tie Dye Samurai]

6 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

  You were saying Jeff, about others needing a better source for their news, yet....

 

"Despite creating some confusion with his remarks, Trump did not call the coronavirus itself a hoax."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/

 

Well based on the actual article that TopDeadSenter just graced us with, I would say Trump was making the democrats look like the great soothsayers of 2020:

"Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus. You know that, right? Coronavirus. They’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’"

 

315,000 dead and counting, over 10 million infected including the POTUS, his wife, his kids, his lawyer etc etc...so the democrats saying Trump is, was and will not do good handling Covid-19 was and is ACCURATE. The guy wanted to open the country up on Easter for god's sake...he made not wearing a mask a badge of honor with his cult...he totally botched PPE acquisition and distribution in the spring and then tried to blame others for his failures. He diminished the standing of the CDC and the leading immunologist of the country because he felt their message didn't play well to his re-election chances instead of placing the safety and well being of the country first. he is on the record and recorded saying he intentionally played down the severity of the pandemic and the dangers of the virus.

 

The actual hoax perpetrated was POTUS saying the democrats were the ones politicizing the pandemic and were not accurate in their assessment of Trump's bumbling of covid-19 in America. Trump is going to go down as one of the great fools of humanity.

 

 

 

 

[Rimmer]

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[Baerboxer]

On 12/18/2020 at 1:14 PM, Jingthing said:

My world huh? How about the real world? 

 

The real world, which isn't the one politicians desire it to be for their own agendas, is sadly full of lying and cheating politicians. Have they got worse? Or does it seem so now because of the easier access to information? An access which unfortunately can also be flooded with fake information.

 

Just because many politicians are dishonest, lie and treat their electorates with content doesn't mean the people should accept it. And just because some politicians are members of a political party or broadly support an ideology you like, doesn't mean their lies should be accepted any more than those who don't. Until people stand and refuse to apply dual standards, politicians will continue to put themselves above laws.

[Jeffr2]

29 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The real world, which isn't the one politicians desire it to be for their own agendas, is sadly full of lying and cheating politicians. Have they got worse? Or does it seem so now because of the easier access to information? An access which unfortunately can also be flooded with fake information.

 

Just because many politicians are dishonest, lie and treat their electorates with content doesn't mean the people should accept it. And just because some politicians are members of a political party or broadly support an ideology you like, doesn't mean their lies should be accepted any more than those who don't. Until people stand and refuse to apply dual standards, politicians will continue to put themselves above laws.

Sadly, many are accepting of lies by politicians.  Just look at Trump and his supporters.  Clueless.  I'm stunned so many get so worked up over lying politicians.

 

The bane of our times.  Social media and lying politicians.

[Baerboxer]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sadly, many are accepting of lies by politicians.  Just look at Trump and his supporters.  Clueless.  I'm stunned so many get so worked up over lying politicians.

 

The bane of our times.  Social media and lying politicians.

 

Yep. All this lying getting worse, accelerated be social media, and now by MSM too as they try to stay relevant and compete with SM. 

 

The danger, and a very underestimated big danger, is that all these increasing lies and increasing acceptance drives more extreme views, widens the divide and leads to worse not better governance. 

 

Johnson, a proven serial liar got elected in the UK, with a massive majority, supported by many former diehard opposition supporters, because he was the least worst of a rotten lot. Sturgeon, praised by some on here, was exposed ruthlessly by Andrew Neil, but again gets away with it because of a lack of credible opposition and rides the scandals within her party. 

 

Trump hasn't provided one shred of evidence, not one iota, to his claims of election fraud and manipulation. But some of his supporters believe it to be fact because he says so.  Maduro claims there's no shortages of basics in Venezuela when tv shows he lying while his family get richer.

 

And so it goes on and on. It's become almost fashionable now to denounce those whose politics you don't like whilst turning a blind eye to those you do. Hypocrisy and dual standards are being made fashionable acceptable traits by those who supposedly lead. 

[FritsSikkink]

The virus isn't unbeatable, we are not doing bad at all here even after the second wave.

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[onthedarkside]

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