UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

I read some place that now EU workers  working in the UK have more rights than British workers because they are covered by both UK labor laws and EU labor laws. and that EU  workers are more employable in the UK, in jobs that require travel because of their easier access to the EU.

Is that true?  

One thing we have seen here British auditors can no longer audit European Union firms, so international consulting firms are much better off hire European accountants.

 

I await with interest the opening of the negotiations on services, I hope the EU won't be stupid.

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

 

Can only assume you are in the former catergory of the two sides mentioned,won,t have any negative effects on me.

Too many people make assumptions on this website.

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

One thing we have seen here British auditors can no longer audit European Union firms, so international consulting firms are much better off hire European accountants.

 

 

I,m sure they would be better off hiring european accountants,just as long as they don,t hire the mob who signed greeces finances off when they joined the eu.

Edited December 29, 2020 by kingdong

[Hi from France]

I find it hard to believe

 

 

the English really let down Scottish fishermen

 

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Scotland’s fishing fleets face cuts to valuable fisheries such as cod and haddock under the Brexit deal negotiated by the UK, the Scottish government believes.

 

It said its analysis showed there would be increases in the quota available for Scottish trawlers in only five of 13 fishing areas around or close to Scotland, with clear falls in several of the largest such as North Sea cod.

 

 

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“This is a terrible outcome for Scotland’s coastal communities. The small gains in quota for mackerel and herring are far outweighed by the impact of losses of haddock, cod and saithe – and that threatens to harm onshore jobs and businesses too linked to harbours, fish markets and processing facilities.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/scotland-faces-cuts-to-cod-and-haddock-fisheries-under-brexit-deal

[kingdong]

9 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Too many people make assumptions on this website.

They do and did,especially about assumptions of the demise of the uk after leaving the eu.

[dunroaming]

14 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

One thing we have seen here British auditors can no longer audit European Union firms, so international consulting firms are much better off hire European accountants.

 

I await with interest the opening of the negotiations on services, I hope the EU won't be stupid.

I moved my British business to mainland Europe when Boris took over.  I now have a Dutch Accountant and Belgian Solicitor.  Never occurred to me to try to retain the British ones.  Both are very good.  The solicitor keeps everything simple and the accountant (who is more expensive) actually costs less, thanks to the easier, more straightforward tax systems.

[dunroaming]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

They do and did,especially about assumptions of the demise of the uk after leaving the eu.

That would be your assumption would it? ????

 

Sorry, couldn't resist!

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

You can dress it up any way you wish but it turned out to be what it is, a total screw up by all those involved.

You seemed to be fairly neutral up until this point. Why do you consider Brexit a total screw up? 

[luckyluke]

6 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

of leaving the corrupt EU.

The E.U. is no more corrupt than the U.K. is. 

 

 

[kingdong]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well that and being better educated and better trained.

Agree with you chomper the unchecked migration into the uk has played havoc with education standards.

[tebee]

4 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I find it hard to believe

 

 

the English really let down Scottish fishermen

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/scotland-faces-cuts-to-cod-and-haddock-fisheries-under-brexit-deal

 

 

You know, you'd almost think that by excluding the Scottish government from the negotiations and ending up with results like this, they want the Scots to take back control and become independent...... 

 

https://www.gov.scot/news/brexit-deal-means-drop-in-key-fishing-stocks/

 

 

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, dunroaming said:

I moved my British business to mainland Europe when Boris took over.  I now have a Dutch Accountant and Belgian Solicitor.  Never occurred to me to try to retain the British ones.  Both are very good.  The solicitor keeps everything simple and the accountant (who is more expensive) actually costs less, thanks to the easier, more straightforward tax systems.

So your feelings for brexit are based on your own personal financial circumstances,fair enough,however leavers voted to leave based on their circumstances,such as difficulties in obtaining affordable housing,low wages and bad working conditions caused by a glut of labour.

[Hi from France]

28 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

 

You know, you'd almost think that by excluding the Scottish government from the negotiations and ending up with results like this, they want the Scots to take back control and become independent...... 

The EU27’s unity during the Brexit talks contrasted with the UK4’s internal disunity. 

[candide]

22 minutes ago, kingdong said:

So your feelings for brexit are based on your own personal financial circumstances,fair enough,however leavers voted to leave based on their circumstances,such as difficulties in obtaining affordable housing,low wages and bad working conditions caused by a glut of labour.

And these circumstances are have been mainly caused by UK political decisions. Other countries in the EU have chosen a less liberal approach and have set minimal wages, provided better unemployment schemes, financed social housing programs, etc.. It's not the EU which invented Thatcherism and the neo-Thatcherism which is still more or less prevailing in the UK.

[luckyluke]

3 hours ago, luckyluke said:

The E.U. is no more corrupt than the U.K. is. 

 

 

 

Sorry, I have to retract this. 

 

On the list of Corruption Perception Index, only 8 countries, member of the E.U., are categorized as less corrupt than the U.K.. 

 

The others more. 

 

I don't find any data about the E.U. as entity. 

 

Edited December 29, 2020 by luckyluke

[Hi from France]

More on the fishing deal for scotland

 

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Ewing said the fine detail of the deal showed many of the apparent gains were either unrealisable because they were technical, or irrelevant because EU fleets were not catching their full quota allocation. The deal also meant UK fleets could not swap quota with EU fleets.

 

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“The quota either being given up by the EU or negotiated as a win by the UK government is of no worth nor value to Scottish fishing interests,” Ewing said.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/scotland-faces-cuts-to-cod-and-haddock-fisheries-under-brexit-deal

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/dec/29/boris-is-a-kipper-fury-and-frustration-at-brexit-fishing-deal-in-brixham

 

 

meanwhile 

Brexit trade deal wins support of Conservative ERG MPs

Group of hardline Eurosceptic Tory MPs to vote in favour of deal after concluding it preserves UK sovereignty

 

 

the ERG cares more about sovereignty than about prosperity and fishing

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

Agree with you chomper the unchecked migration into the uk has played havoc with education standards.

Because of course EU citizen adults coming to work in the UK were disrupting class rooms.

 

 

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing to do with the EU or the UKs membership of the EU.

 

‘It’s been going on for years’ and will continue to ‘go on’.

 

Surprising that despite the longevity of the issue you not yet figured out it has nothing to do with the EU.

Try addressing the point instead of twisting the night away.

[transam]

14 hours ago, Hi from France said:

I beg to differ: Brits are more than just narrow-minded national-populist.

 

I do not mean you are not British, just that you do not represent the British people.

And you do....?????

[luckyluke]

34 minutes ago, kingdong said:

And they wonder why britain voted to leave,you couldn,t make it up.

 

Well there was a deal about it, between France and the U.K..

Do you suggest the U.K. let themselves hoodwinked ?

[transam]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Apart from the fact a ‘British’ made item is often not available.

Cabbages....?

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, transam said:

Cabbages....?

And turnips, don’t forget the turnips.

 

Though who will harvest them is anybody’s guess.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Refugees arriving in the UK has nothing at all to do with the EU.

 

They will continue to arrive regardless of the UK having left the EU.

 

Try again.

 

Total cods.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, luckyluke said:

 

Well there was a deal about it, between France and the U.K..

Do you suggest the U.K. let themselves hoodwinked ?

The uk has stood the three card trick ever since we joined the common market,why do you think we voted to leave?won,t get fooled again.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And turnips, don’t forget the turnips.

 

Though who will harvest them is anybody’s guess.

Don,t worry if they can,t afford turnips let them eat fish.

[david555]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1377895/brexit-news-transition-period-agreement-british-sausages-exports-eu-bans-ont

EU BANS British sausages from beginning of next year after Brexit deal
EU RULES mean there will be a ban on chilled British sausage exports after the Brexit transition period ends this week.

By MELANIE KAIDAN
PUBLISHED: 03:16, Wed, Dec 30, 2020 | UPDATED: 03:16, Wed, Dec 30, 2020

The EU ruled “chilled meat preparations” including minced red meat and poultry cannot arrive from the UK after December 31, when the transition period concludes. The ban also includes raw sausages but it is believed it does not apply to frozen produce. A special agreement between the UK and the EU allows British sausage manufacturers to export their products to Northern Ireland.

 

An official Government statement on exports, last updated on December 28, announced the prohibition British raw sausages. It reads: “EU rules mean you will not be able to export the following goods to the EU: chilled minced meat (red meat), chilled meat preparations (for example, raw sausages), minced meat (poultry), poultry and ratite or game bird mechanically separated meat, raw milk from TB herds, ungraded eggs, composite products containing dairy products made from unpasteurised milk (for example, a ready meal topped with unpasteurised cheese).”

The sector was hopeful of a potential agreement being reached allowing such exports to be permitted.

[vogie]

The unsung heroes of Brexit, the ERG have said that they support the deal and will vote for it.

[luckyluke]

2 hours ago, kingdong said:

The uk has stood the three card trick ever since we joined the common market,why do you think we voted to leave?won,t get fooled again.

Why do you think you get not fooled again with the deal ?

Because Mr. Johnson proclaimed it was a victory ?

[transam]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1377895/brexit-news-transition-period-agreement-british-sausages-exports-eu-bans-ont

EU BANS British sausages from beginning of next year after Brexit deal
EU RULES mean there will be a ban on chilled British sausage exports after the Brexit transition period ends this week.

By MELANIE KAIDAN
PUBLISHED: 03:16, Wed, Dec 30, 2020 | UPDATED: 03:16, Wed, Dec 30, 2020

The EU ruled “chilled meat preparations” including minced red meat and poultry cannot arrive from the UK after December 31, when the transition period concludes. The ban also includes raw sausages but it is believed it does not apply to frozen produce. A special agreement between the UK and the EU allows British sausage manufacturers to export their products to Northern Ireland.

 

An official Government statement on exports, last updated on December 28, announced the prohibition British raw sausages. It reads: “EU rules mean you will not be able to export the following goods to the EU: chilled minced meat (red meat), chilled meat preparations (for example, raw sausages), minced meat (poultry), poultry and ratite or game bird mechanically separated meat, raw milk from TB herds, ungraded eggs, composite products containing dairy products made from unpasteurised milk (for example, a ready meal topped with unpasteurised cheese).”

The sector was hopeful of a potential agreement being reached allowing such exports to be permitted.

Oh dear, Haggis could be off your menu then......????