UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[GrandPapillon]

5 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

imagine if it had been a hard brexit with no agreement in place ????

 

oh wait, it would have probably been the same ????

[Hi from France]

6 hours ago, Loiner said:

File under "Clutching at Remainer straws!" 
The clue is in the name: Leave.EU  

Another example of EU pettiness and its suspension could even be 'Cancelling'.

glad to see that you (a british nationalist) are willing to deliver .uk domains name to a firm which is not British

 

.

Edited January 17, 2021 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

6 hours ago, Histavia said:

This is not actually accurate - the second booster shot stimulates B cell maturation which deepens and lengthens the type of immunity, but the initial jab continues to work......the "half-life" of the jabs is not  know or proven as yet but one can go by previous performance of other vaccines and draw conclusions. At the end of the day it is still not known how long 2 jabs will work........anything from yearly like flu or virtually lifetime like smallpox.

 

the pint is that protection IS achieved by the first jab and to say it will sharply decline is not proven and not necessarily the case

well I have no authority on this, but AFAIK it's a complete gamble : the second jab in a vaccine is essential

 

this is not the topic of this thread and I'm no immunologist. Now I heard immunologists say this is a gamble. And that the UK is the only country in the world doing that (and it does not comply with the authorization obtained).

 

I understand the UK is in an unprecedented disastrous situation, but this is not a blank check. It does not allow the UK government to gamble with the health of millions of citizens. 

 

no once again, this is out of topic

[Histavia]

26 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

well I have no authority on this, but AFAIK it's a complete gamble : the second jab in a vaccine is essentia

the second jab is part of the course. You were trying to say earlier that if it wasn't administered quickly the immunity would go away. This is not true - there is quite a long safe period - this even by medical scientists is just an educated guess. To suggest it is "essential" is true but it is not "essential to have immediately" there is leeway.

 

If you are suggesting either that millions of people won't be vaccinated or that millions of vaccines have been wasted, you'd be wrong..

 

I'd be more concerned in Countries like Thailand where poorly trained staff repeatedly transport, store and administer vaccines incorrectly - this is not without precedent in Thailand.

[Histavia]

31 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

It does not allow the UK government to gamble with the health of millions of citizens. 

How do you think this represents a "gamble"?

[Histavia]

6 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

The delays in the lorries crossing the channel - was because of travel restrictions imposed December 20th and reopened DECEMBER 23rd.

 

This is more because of Brexit right now. 

 

Truck drivers are typically paid by the kilometer...  crossing the border and the paperwork (going both directions) is extremely slow (even with limited traffic due to non-perishables being stocked up).   Basically the truck drivers will lose money taking the UK shipping route rather than in the EU.... so it is highly likely many will just refuse to take the UK route.

 

And yes, you can blame the government for not having the deal in place early enough for businesses to become familiar with... what should have been taking place in the months up to the Brexit switchover date is dry runs where businesses would follow the new processes but only has a way of checking that everyone understood what was going on.  We have all sorts of preparedness drills -- this should have been no different.

Delays occur daily there is no delayed effect. 16000 trucks used to cross the channel even day - even though Jan is usually  the quietest time of year, transport at present is a pickle and the customs, lorry park Kent permit issuers etc can't cope.

Even when the dust settles crossing the channel will take an extra 2 to 8 hours each way.......this is paid for in the end by the man in the street. 

Trucks don't stop for 2 hours for free - you have goods and capital that have to be paid and touch drivers ON A HOURLY RATE. Furthermore they can no longer pick up and deliver goods in the EU so the profitability of many trips will be reduced.

All of this means less range of goods and more expensive goods in the stores

[Hi from France]

1 hour ago, Histavia said:

How do you think this represents a "gamble"?

you can just read the source I gave a few posts ago. 

 

Now if you want to pursue this, give me us link to the thread covering this issue, this is not the right conversation on this thread. 

[Loiner]

3 hours ago, Hi from France said:

glad to see that you (a british nationalist) are willing to deliver .uk domains name to a firm which is not British

 

.

Simply not important. 

[Hi from France]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Simply not important. 

like the "take back control" BS, you mean ????

[transam]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 No, it is an observation on people who refer back to the war at every given opportunity as if we are still fighting it.

 

Maybe you still are?

History my man, history, perhaps you don't like your countries history, I do.....

[Hi from France]

Nice take on Brexit and what should be done instead of re-centralizing with the Internal Market Bill 

 

https://youtu.be/1UrJIUxBQIM

 

[Tofer]

On 12/25/2020 at 8:52 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I think it's time to lean back and enjoy the show. Let's look how Boris and his supporters will handle the next months and years. I am sure it will be funny to watch from outside how they made their lives worse.

 

This has to be the most undignified, predictive gloating I've ever witnessed.

 

How's your vaccination programme coming along in the EU......?

 

Look to your own continent if you want entertainment!

[OneMoreFarang]

37 minutes ago, Tofer said:

Look to your own continent if you want entertainment!

Somehow I though the UK is part of the European continent.

Or did that also change with Brexit?

But maybe with all your sovereignty you now live on a new continent - Amazing UK!

[Tofer]

54 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Somehow I though the UK is part of the European continent.

Or did that also change with Brexit?

But maybe with all your sovereignty you now live on a new continent - Amazing UK!

 

Absolutely!

[Histavia]

4 hours ago, transam said:

History my man, history, perhaps you don't like your countries history, I do.....

Unfortunately many inUK seem to obsess with the past but actually learn very little  from it....from the writings of Churchill.." “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

[Histavia]

19 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 No, it is an observation on people who refer back to the war at every given opportunity as if we are still fighting it.

 

Maybe you still are?

The British obsession  with WW2 and their utter denial of lessons to be learned is a constant source of embarrassment. Largely due to their wildly inaccurate perception of what happened.

This abuse of history has to be a factor leading to Brexit 

[Histavia]

17 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I did not say you had food redundancy... a people redundancy - like many countries... to many people on the planet right now...

"Redundancy "? Please explain

[transam]

33 minutes ago, Histavia said:

Unfortunately many inUK seem to obsess with the past but actually learn very little  from it....from the writings of Churchill.." “Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

I think you are getting a bit confused, it was the Germans & Co. that didn't learn their lesson, us Brits and others had to come to others aid in Europe. Wars the UK never started. Please take your blinkers off, there's a good chap...

[Surelynot]

3 hours ago, Tofer said:

This has to be the most undignified, predictive gloating I've ever witnessed.

You must have missed Corpus Christi's post celebrating the first Frenchman to contract the new British strain of covid.

 

Shame...that was a real hoot.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Surelynot

[Surelynot]

10 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

You must have missed Corpus Christi's post celebrating the first Frenchman to contract the new British strain of covid.

 

Shame...that was a real hoot.

 

German seals I bet.

 

[Loiner]

9 hours ago, Hi from France said:

like the "take back control" BS, you mean ????

If it is to important for you to have control of domain name extensions you can have them all. We are now controlling the important things to our country as and when we like, free from EU petty mindedness and vindictiveness.

[Loiner]

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Thank God it changed to a Remainer rag if this is what people were reading.

 

6 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Better to get a more balanced view from a leaver rag.....not that any of this distorted the minds of your average Brexiteer.

So have you now got yourself on message or is your heart bleeding all over the pages?
How many of your headlines actually mentioned Leaving the EU?

[bkkcanuck8]

3 hours ago, Histavia said:

"Redundancy "? Please explain

I thought I was being obvious, we have too many people on the planet (lots of redundancy) but a shortage of soylent green ????

[Surelynot]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

 

So have you now got yourself on message or is your heart bleeding all over the pages?
How many of your headlines actually mentioned Leaving the EU?

Everyone of them.

[7by7]

On 1/17/2021 at 12:38 PM, Loiner said:

File under "Clutching at Remainer straws!" 
The clue is in the name: Leave.EU  

 

Indeed, the clue is in the name!

 

As they're whole reason for existence is to leave the EU, why are they so desperate to keep their EU domain?

 

On 1/17/2021 at 12:38 PM, Loiner said:

Another example of EU pettiness and its suspension could even be 'Cancelling'.

 

Another example of Brexiteers wanting to leave the club but still enjoy all the benefits of membership for nothing!

 

[7by7]

23 hours ago, vogie said:

You have just proven my point, you're right and the BBC are wrong, what is the point of putting links up in the first place. Did you actually read what it said, 'the companies were not ready!'

 

Kindly explain how hauliers etc. could get ready when not even the government knew what was required!

 

We've had nearly a year of expensive media campaign telling us to get ready for Brexit, but when we went to the government sites in those adverts the best we got was "Watch this space, we'll let you know what you need to do eventually!"

 

As events have proven, that's been too little, too late.

[david555]

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1385508/Brexit-news-eu-trade-deal-deadline-extension-latest-uk-member-states-european-parliament

Brexit DELAY: EU to extend deadline until APRIL as MEPs unable to sign off trade deal

THE European Union is set to delay ratification of the Brexit trade and security deal amid concerns the preparations still need more time.

 

more...

 

By Joe Barnes, Brussels Correspondent

12:40, Mon, Jan 18, 2021 | UPDATED: 13:13, Mon, Jan 18, 2021

[7by7]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

Simply not important. 

 

Your usual response to everything which damages the UK.

 

Yet you call yourself a patriot!

[7by7]

11 hours ago, transam said:

History my man, history, perhaps you don't like your countries history, I do.....

 I am prepared to bet that I know far more about my country's history than you do. Including the not so nice bits!

 

Unlike you, though, I don't refer back to one aspect of it whenever I've lost the argument!

[7by7]

6 hours ago, transam said:

I think you are getting a bit confused, it was the Germans & Co. that didn't learn their lesson, us Brits and others had to come to others aid in Europe. Wars the UK never started. Please take your blinkers off, there's a good chap...

 

Read some history and find out one of the reasons why the forerunner of the EU, the European Coal and Steel Community, was first founded in 1951!

 

Look up NATO while you're at it as well.

 

You really should stop quoting history until you can get your facts right!

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by 7by7
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