UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[Loiner]

10 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

We've left the EU and as a result we can no longer enjoy the benefits of membership.

 

You call this "EU pettiness."

 

Typical whinging Brexiteer. You got what you voted for; live with it.

 

"Remainer bitterness?" You bet; bitterness that the lies of the leave campaigners and the gullibility of so many Brexiteers who fell for those lies has damaged my country for at least a generation.

 

No whinging here, unlike the ongoing Remainer moaning, just appalled at the EU pettiness. 

Contrary to pompous opinion and bitterness, UK is not significantly damaged and will go on to prosper.  

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

No whinging here, unlike the ongoing Remainer moaning, just appalled at the EU pettiness. 

Contrary to pompous opinion and bitterness, UK is not significantly damaged and will go on to prosper.  

You,ll be seelng a lot more pompous opinion and bitterness as the uk prospers and the eu implodes and this pandemic could be the catalyst.

[oldhippy]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

You,ll be seelng a lot more pompous opinion and bitterness as the uk prospers and the eu implodes and this pandemic could be the catalyst.

Your crystal ball was undoubtedly manufactured in China.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies reported and removed.  

 

[Phulublub]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

 "Eu " money?what a fraction of what we paid in? Your eu should have put all their energies into safeguarding its citizens like boris did,no good whingeing after the event and blaming the uk.having my vaccine jab this weekend.

Pretty sure much of thre World is happy their leadership did not "safeguard" their citizens as well as BJ

 

PH

[Phulublub]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

The eu dosen,t seem to be handling this vaccine situation very well.

No.  They are not.  But then the UK Government have hardly covered themselves with glory udring this pandemic, have they?  (Except the "EU bad UK Good" brigade will no doubt be ale to justify to themselevs how the UK - post Brexit - is just fine and wonderful)

 

PH

[Phulublub]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

And perhaps the eu should seal its borders and stop all the migrants setting off to the uk,we didn,t want schengen,thats why we voted to leave.

Aha.  THAT was why we voted leave.  I am pretty sure that is the first time I have been educated that Schengen was the reason we voted to leave.

 

PH

[Phulublub]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

No whinging here, unlike the ongoing Remainer moaning, just appalled at the EU pettiness. 

Contrary to pompous opinion and bitterness, UK is not significantly damaged and will go on to prosper.  

EU pettiness?  What about UK pettiness in insisting that the first 100 million AZ stay in UK when they will not be able to adisnister them all before next batch is ready for delivery?  All a one way street with you isn't it?

 

PH

[david555]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

And perhaps the eu should seal its borders and stop all the migrants setting off to the uk,we didn,t want schengen,thats why we voted to leave.

 

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

And perhaps the eu should seal its borders and stop all the migrants setting off to the uk,we didn,t want schengen,thats why we voted to leave.

As you left you should close your borders yourself ...the E.U. is not your border guard....doing the job for you ...

[kingdong]

21 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Aha.  THAT was why we voted leave.  I am pretty sure that is the first time I have been educated that Schengen was the reason we voted to leave.

 

PH

Was quoting just one example of several,anyway it was three and a half years ago,past tense,and lets face 27 nations vs 1 and the eu came second in protecting its citizens.

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, kingdong said:

You,ll be seelng a lot more pompous opinion and bitterness as the uk prospers and the eu implodes and this pandemic could be the catalyst.

The swan song of the brexiteer.

Reality is the implosion is far more likely in the UK.

 

“Many, many small operators will just stop exporting,” said Peter Hardwick, trade policy adviser at the British Meat Processors Association. He claimed the government “is in a little bit of denial over this”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-eu-update-boris-johnson-b1793968.html?page=1

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, david555 said:

 

As you left you should close your borders yourself ...the E.U. is not your border guard....doing the job for you ...

The uk governments unfortunately are too soft and should adopt a more robust approach to illeagal immigration like austrailia and usa who are firm but fair,and don,t stand the race card nonsense like the uk.nigel farage has shown what can be done and with the forth coming worldwide depression sure change will come.

Edited January 29, 2021 by kingdong

[Hi from France]

Apparently still no topic on the vaccine shortage and AstraZeneca not delivering the EU, while delivering the UK. 

 

The EU is now taking measures to get the vaccine and of course, we have more production capacity 

 

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EU could block millions of Covid vaccine doses from entering UK

This is pretty bad 

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The company’s assurances to the UK government that it would fulfil its order of 2m doses a day without delay further fuelled the anger felt by officials involved in the EU’s faltering programme. Just 2% of the EU adult population has received a vaccine jab, compared with 11% of those in the UK, with scant sign of the bloc’s vaccination drive gaining momentum. 

 

 

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Should the UK become reliant on home-produced vaccines, securing herd immunity through the vaccination of 75% of the population could be delayed by nearly two months 

I'm not sure it's as clear cut, as the UK could get vaccine from India, it they prefer the UK over the EU

 

More :

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/28/belgium-launches-investigation-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-plant

 

Now I'm quite worried with the UK - EU relations deteriorating very fast now, it's a harmless thing to have fanatical national - populist on a forum, but now we're getting to a very different stage, much beyond the Brexit trade deal question. 

 

 

 

[sandyf]

29 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Aha.  THAT was why we voted leave.  I am pretty sure that is the first time I have been educated that Schengen was the reason we voted to leave.

 

PH

And some that voted to remain are now in Schengen, ended up with more varieties than Heinz.

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Now I'm quite worried with the UK - EU relations deteriorating very fast now, it's a harmless thing to have fanatical national - populist on a forum, but now we're getting to a very different stage, much beyond the Brexit trade deal question. 

Quite, from what I gather the fundamental argument from the EU is that an EU factory was used to bale out the UK when it had teething problems and now the reciprocal should happen.

It is all about cooperation, something Westminster tends to see as being one sided. Certainly stacking up problems for the future.

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The swan song of the brexiteer.

Reality is the implosion is far more likely in the UK.

 

“Many, many small operators will just stop exporting,” said Peter Hardwick, trade policy adviser at the British Meat Processors Association. He claimed the government “is in a little bit of denial over this”.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-live-eu-update-boris-johnson-b1793968.html?page=1

33 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

 

 

33 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

EU pettiness?  What about UK pettiness in insisting that the first 100 million AZ stay in UK when they will not be able to adisnister them all before next batch is ready for delivery?  All a one way street with you isn't it?

 

PH

 

Well,well,well,little england is looking after itself for once,anyway perhaps britain wants to ensure its citizens will be looked after,who knows how long the two shots will last and it may well be that it has to be that vaccinations need to be administered annually in which case we will be well placed to administer.if there is any surplus the uk can sell them.as remainers keep reminding everyone,the uk no longer has a commonwealth or empire so since brexit has no responsibilities to the eu,although if a surplus is available feel it should be offered to former members of the commonwealth first.

[Phulublub]

21 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Was quoting just one example of several,anyway it was three and a half years ago,past tense,and lets face 27 nations vs 1 and the eu came second in protecting its citizens.

The implication is that UK came first in protecting its citizens.  Utter baloney.  Many countries have done FAR better than both UK and EU.  Take off your sunglasses.  The sunny uplands are many many miles away

 

PH

[Phulublub]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Well,well,well,little england is looking after itself for once,anyway perhaps britain wants to ensure its citizens will be looked after,who knows how long the two shots will last and it may well be that it has to be that vaccinations need to be administered annually in which case we will be well placed to administer.if there is any surplus the uk can sell them.as remainers keep reminding everyone,the uk no longer has a commonwealth or empire so since brexit has no responsibilities to the eu,although if a surplus is available feel it should be offered to former members of the commonwealth first.

Pull up the drawbridge.  We don;t need all those nasty outsiders. 

 

Your posts get more xeonphobic and non sensical by the hour.

 

PH

[Hi from France]

2 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Quite, from what I gather the fundamental argument from the EU is that an EU factory was used to bale out the UK when it had teething problems and now the reciprocal should happen.

It is all about cooperation, something Westminster tends to see as being one sided. Certainly stacking up problems for the future.

Yeah anyway like with the UK recognizing the EU ambassador as inferior to other ambassadors, we can argue about it endlessly with the national - populists here. 

 

But in the end, in the westphalian world of relationships between states it is pretty simple: the strongest prevail, and in this life or death situation by any means necessary.

 

The Guardian view on vaccine nationalism: think again

Editorial

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/28/the-guardian-view-on-vaccine-nationalism-think-again

 

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The aggressive tone of commission officials speaks to the domestic pressure that European leaders face. The EU has so far given only two doses per 100 residents, while the UK has delivered 11. Facing the backlash for a somewhat sluggish procurement programme, it cannot afford more delays. 

 

 

The is not bad for the UK, bad for the EU, it is bad for the world 

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When a life-saving good is in short supply, there will always be difficult decisions to make, within and between countries. As pressing as the European shortages may feel, they are part of wider tensions. If richer nations must ration supplies, poorer ones so far have little or nothing to ration. 

 

[david555]

26 minutes ago, kingdong said:

The uk governments unfortunately are too soft and should adopt a more robust approach to illeagal immigration like austrailia and usa who are firm but fair,and don,t stand the race card nonsense like the uk.nigel farage has shown what can be done and with the forth coming worldwide depression sure change will come.

So you know what to do ....it is all yours ....i would even not  mind if you would filling that tunnel with concrete 

....and cancel those ferrys...

[kingdong]

12 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Quite, from what I gather the fundamental argument from the EU is that an EU factory was used to bale out the UK when it had teething problems and now the reciprocal should happen.

It is all about cooperation, something Westminster tends to see as being one sided. Certainly stacking up problems for the future.

Why should the uk be co-operative 1 we,re no longer members 2 after the way france performed shutting its border at calais leaving thousands of lorry drivers( most of them eu resident ) stranded over christmas. Just because the eu screwed up its ordering don,t start expecting the uk to bail you out.stacking up problems for the future?whats that a threat? Or a promise?

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

So you know what to do ....it is all yours ....i would even not  mind if you would filling that tunnel with concrete 

....and cancel those ferrys...

Glad to see you,ve seen a bit of sense.

[Hi from France]

Even the Brexit Telegraph is not so optimistic about the future 

 

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But the ability to nab first-mover advantage was grabbed at the expense of certain trade-offs. 

 

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The EU may move slowly but it has weight. New rules that could restrict the exports of vaccines out of the EU could put UK supplies of the Pfizer jab at risk. 

 

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If that leverage begins to take its toll and AstraZeneca redirects supply, or there is a vaccine trade war, the disadvantages of being outside of the EU could become more apparent. 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/28/britain-ahead-vaccine-race-brexit-could-soon-change/

[Phulublub]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Glad to see you,ve seen a bit of sense.

Please remind us...which side of the channel has a hugely significant percentage of its goods travel across it?

 

Didn't your leader say we would be the best partner ever (or words to that effect)?  Seems you are not on the same page. Or even in the same book. 

 

Xenophobia writ large.  And getting worse.

 

PH

[david555]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Glad to see you,ve seen a bit of sense.

Call it self preservation ......keeping the nasty bits out of our house ...????

Macron showed you something with Christmas ...????

Never saw Boris signing so quick ...????

Edited January 29, 2021 by david555

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Call it self preservation ......keeping the nasty bits out of our house ...????

Its a 2 way street ( and tunnel )

[kingdong]

3 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

Please remind us...which side of the channel has a hugely significant percentage of its goods travel across it?

 

Didn't your leader say we would be the best partner ever (or words to that effect)?  Seems you are not on the same page. Or even in the same book. 

 

Xenophobia writ large.  And getting worse.

 

PH

Twice you,ve played the race card,if you can,t reasonably counter a point then don,t bother,why is it i always get an overwhelming feeling of deja -vu when i read one of your posts?

[david555]

5 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Its a 2 way street ( and tunnel )

At least we agree ...????

you see life is not so difficult if you stop the one direction Westminster Emperial thinking ....????

Edited January 29, 2021 by david555

[kingdong]

8 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

Even the Brexit Telegraph is not so optimistic about the future 

 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2021/01/28/britain-ahead-vaccine-race-brexit-could-soon-change/

1 may 1 or and 2 coulds,a dicisive report and make no error.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

At least we agree ...????

you see life is not so difficult if you stop the one direction Westminster Emperial thinking ....????

I,m not a member of parliament,wouldn,t want to join any club that,d have me as a member.