Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

[Bender Rodriguez]

politicians with tens of thousands of fixed income and bribes on the side, don't have to worry for silly things like  money

[jvs]

3 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The government that governs best is one that governs least;

I'm glad the president is holding out for $ 2k checks for all Americans...that's an extra 4k into my household.

 

I hope you do realize that when you accept money from the government they are doing their govern thingy,and you don't like that!Different when you get cash right?

What is the word for being like that?Hyposomething i think.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

You really gotta love it.... I'm thinking of some of the various posts I've read here...

 

Like... I'm a Trump supporter. I hate communism and socialism. But when's the federal government going to send me my $2000 payment!!!

 

Hypo what???  

[placnx]

6 hours ago, keith101 said:

The House and Senate both have over 75% support for the bill and dont actually need his signature if they just have the balls to see it through especially as Trump only has around 24 days left in office .

I'm wondering about this. Some provisions expire this week or at the end of the month. If so, maybe the new law which extends these provisions would not be effective in that regard so another law would be needed to reenact the expired legislation. Unfortunately, it seems like the 10 days to automatic effect of the law without Trump's signature would run into next year.

 

In some states foreclosures and evictions are ready to go as soon as the moratorium ends, in the middle of winter and a pandemic, no less!!!

 

It's regrettable that Nancy Pelosi entertained the idea of now going for the $2000 option. She already agreed to compromise with McConnell to $600. Better not change horses midstream, rather make another law after January 20th concerning $2000 and any other issues. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, placnx said:

Unfortunately, it seems like the 10 days to automatic effect of the law without Trump's signature would run into next year.

 

Not just 2021, but a whole new term of Congress, which would mean starting over.

 

https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/2000-second-stimulus-check-house-to-vote-monday-on-a-bill-before-government-shuts-down/

 

 

"Trump has not outright said he would veto or decline to sign the bill. But if he doesn't approve it by Saturday, critical federal unemployment benefits will lapse, leaving millions without a financial lifeline. The federal eviction ban ends Dec. 31, and other programs providing support to Americans on the brink will evaporate.

...

If the president would veto the bill, Congress would have time to try to override the veto. But if the president would just let the bill sit on his desk without signing it, the bill would simply die when the current congressional term expires on Jan. 3. This would force the new Congress to start the process all over again."

[placnx]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not just 2021, but a whole new term of Congress, which would mean starting over.

 

https://www.cnet.com/personal-finance/2000-second-stimulus-check-house-to-vote-monday-on-a-bill-before-government-shuts-down/

 

 

"Trump has not outright said he would veto or decline to sign the bill. But if he doesn't approve it by Saturday, critical federal unemployment benefits will lapse, leaving millions without a financial lifeline. The federal eviction ban ends Dec. 31, and other programs providing support to Americans on the brink will evaporate.

...

If the president would veto the bill, Congress would have time to try to override the veto. But if the president would just let the bill sit on his desk without signing it, the bill would simply die when the current congressional term expires on Jan. 3. This would force the new Congress to start the process all over again."

I did not count the 10 days on the calendar! Oops! Let's hope that something good will come of this, such as the two Georgia Senate elections going to the Dems.

[thailand49]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Not quite. Democrats in the House of Reps TWICE passed bills earlier this year providing $1200 direct payments as part of broader $2-$3 billion coronavirus relief legislation. And those were promptly ignored by Republicans in the Senate, many of whom publicly questioned whether any relief was required at all.

 

 

 

Not quite. Most of the so-called pork you're referring to regarding aid for foreign countries was funding that Trump himself proposed in his 2021 federal budget released earlier this year.

 

Also, most of the pork you're referring to also is/was in a SEPARATE budget bill from the coronavirus relief legislation. Both parties eventually ended up agreeing to combine the two bills together as part of a bipartisan compromise that Republicans finally supported to provide the $600 direct payments. You know, the bill finally passed by Congress that Trump blew up last week.

 

Not quite, When I wrote what I wrote I knew I would be stepping on some toes. I'm a lifelong Democrat now Independent, I'm from Pelosi district.

 

I want to make it clear that I don't like Trump big mouth and stupid ego but I really have no problem with many of the stuff he has done particular when it comes to foreign affairs. Both side are the blame on your first point those bills as I noted had lots of funding to the States sure they questioned the relief but there are what 52 R, not all of them disagree many just didn't like the fact that the bill contain so much money to those States like California and New York who were seemingly using that relief to balance the short fall on those pension as I noted. The way the game is played then you got Senator who will stand up like Rand Paul grandstanding against bills knowing full well the bill has no chance of passing even if they vote no thus putting on their resume for their own State, his father did this his whole career in Congress made a living off it.

 

I understand the bill are different but the point I make does that make it o.k. you dump in budget bill like helping fund what women issue in Pakistan a country who hates us and harbor Bin Laden?  Spend like a drunken sailor then in the Virus bill you nick pick the people with 600.00 the hypocriscy Pelosi calls it crumbs but in the Budget she allow every lobbyist get their way.  As I noted it is a game with these politician it is scratch my back I scratch your back the Washington two step. Trump made the suggestion of $2000 knowing full will Pelosi would smile and knowing his own party wouldn't pass it. It is just a game of Chess.

 

I think in the 90's they clean up the Tax code, they also pass legislation cutting off the Pork but politician of both parties " the swamp " today it is worse than ever and the stuff we discuss here is just proof of it.

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1 minute ago, thailand49 said:

Not quite, When I wrote what I wrote I knew I would be stepping on some toes. I'm a lifelong Democrat now Independent, I'm from Pelosi district.

 

I want to make it clear that I don't like Trump big mouth and stupid ego but I really have no problem with many of the stuff he has done particular when it comes to foreign affairs. Both side are the blame on your first point those bills as I noted had lots of funding to the States sure they questioned the relief but there are what 52 R, not all of them disagree many just didn't like the fact that the bill contain so much money to those States like California and New York who were seemingly using that relief to balance the short fall on those pension as I noted. The way the game is played then you got Senator who will stand up like Rand Paul grandstanding against bills knowing full well the bill has no chance of passing even if they vote no thus putting on their resume for their own State, his father did this his whole career in Congress made a living off it.

 

I understand the bill are different but the point I make does that make it o.k. you dump in budget bill like helping fund what women issue in Pakistan a country who hates us and harbor Bin Laden?  Spend like a drunken sailor then in the Virus bill you nick pick the people with 600.00 the hypocriscy Pelosi calls it crumbs but in the Budget she allow every lobbyist get their way.  As I noted it is a game with these politician it is scratch my back I scratch your back the Washington two step. Trump made the suggestion of $2000 knowing full will Pelosi would smile and knowing his own party wouldn't pass it. It is just a game of Chess.

 

I think in the 90's they clean up the Tax code, they also pass legislation cutting off the Pork but politician of both parties " the swamp " today it is worse than ever and the stuff we discuss here is just proof of it.

Another case of I don't like Trump but. Please, you're not fooling anybody. You dumped all the responsibility on on the Democrats. I've watched your posts in the past. No blame ever for Trump. oo

And clearly you have no interest in facts. I cited you specific points. That it was the Trump administration that was responsible for the foreign aid provisions. You ignored it. That the money went to favored businesses. Usually that's what Republicans do. What proof do you have that it was democrats who let the lobbyists get their way? Do you understand that Republicans control the Senate? How did that tiny detail escape you?.

You claimed that most of the money in a previous bill was going to New York and California. I pointed out that was false. You just ignore that you ever made the claim.

And that's a great game that Trump is playing. In other words he's lying about his concern and his game is going to result in financial disaster for millions of unemployed people.

Your claims are laughable.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Re Thailand49's comment above - Just repeating the same misinformation a second time doesn't make it any more true the next time around.

 

Most of the foreign aid that you're objecting to came straight from Trump's own 2021 budget proposal. And it was the Democrats, not the Republicans, who supported the $1200 direct CV relief payments. The Republicans in Congress never did.

 

Also, the Republicans could have supported a $1200 payments bill without the state and local government funding they objected to, but, they never did. Also, a lot of the local and state government funding that had been proposed in the CV relief bills was to offset expenses caused by the pandemic, not to bail out state pension plans.

 

Edited December 26, 2020 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

I hope you do realize that when you accept money from the government they are doing their govern thingy,and you don't like that!Different when you get cash right?

As the government isn't going away tomorrow, if it's handing out money I'd prefer $2000 to $600. 

[onthedarkside]

Numerous off topic, bickering and personal comment posts have been removed. Let me remind folks here, the topic is:

 

Millions of Americans lose jobless benefits as Trump refuses to sign aid bill

[condobrit001]

Lock this loser up! I am sure there are plenty of grounds to charge him with deriliction of duty. Time for Impeachment II.

[Sujo]

55 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

As the government isn't going away tomorrow, if it's handing out money I'd prefer $2000 to $600. 

Im sure u do. Pelosi said yes its the repubs under trump that said no.

 

Taking it from the govt is socialism. Glad u agree.

[joecoolfrog]

10 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'm glad the president is holding out for $ 2k checks for all Americans...that's an extra 4k into my household. He's always draining the D.C. swamp and sticking up for real Americans

Oh do stop trolling , your claim has been refuted left , right and centre.

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, condobrit001 said:

Lock this loser up! I am sure there are plenty of grounds to charge him with deriliction of duty. Time for Impeachment II.

Impeaching him at this late stage in his shambolic presidency would be absurd and even then, the senate still wouldn't convict. 

[Bluespunk]

9 hours ago, KarenBravo said:

Chess? I'm afraid you're over-estimating him again. Trump is more of a checkers kinda guy.

I think you’re still over estimating him. 

[Patong2021]

Cunning political strategy. Trump knows that most Americans have no idea where all the big ticket spending comes from in the Bill. He knows that they will hear expensive listing,  complain and be angry and blame democrat party. Yes, I know it was from Republican budget, but typical American I do not think knows that. They will hear $2000 for them and not $600 and will say, oh what a caring man.

 

I am not an United States national, and not my affair, but when I see those sad news report of the people lined up to get food I ask how a country so wealthy, have so many very bad off poor.  We do not see the same problem in countries more conservative or more liberal so this is not about socialism as some people write.  Denmark, Austria, Poland, Switzerland, Hungary and others are fiscal conservative but provide the care for their people, no fighting.  Other EU countries too.  Japan, Taiwan, Australia, Canada and others take care of their people with no violent hate like we see in the USA over domestic aid package. Only in USA is there such a display of disparity and encouragement from national leader to fight each other.  No Christmas spirit with this man.

 

12 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Yes, maybe it is time to get the money from China to pay for their disease

 

It is an easy excuse to blame all of this on China. yes, some responsibility, is with the country, but  our national governments made many mismanagement errors and were not prepared. They responded too slow. We cannot blame China because we did not listen to experts and be prepared or sent too much of medical supply industry to China. We refused to cut off air travel, when we had the opportunity. Had we done that, it would have given 1-3 extra months to get ready.

 

[condobrit001]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Impeaching him at this late stage in his shambolic presidency would be absurd and even then, the senate still wouldn't convict. 

Yeah, wait for the Georgia elections when the senate Democrats could have a majority. Trump is toast, thank God.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, condobrit001 said:

Yeah, wait for the Georgia elections when the senate Democrats could have a majority. Trump is toast, thank God.

These two Georgia contests are impossible to call because they will be mostly about turnout and voter suppression, but historically the odds of both democrats winning in a Georgia runoff are quite remote. Sadly. 

[condobrit001]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

These two Georgia contests are impossible to call because they will be mostly about turnout and voter suppression, but historically the odds of both democrats winning in a Georgia runoff are quite remote. Sadly. 

Let's wait and see. I am sure that most american voters are not stupid. 

[condobrit001]

1 minute ago, condobrit001 said:

Let's wait and see. I am sure that most american voters are not stupid. 

Oh, I may have made a misjudjment.

[Pattaya Spotter]

9 hours ago, Sujo said:

Im sure u do. Pelosi said yes its the repubs under trump that said no.

 

Taking it from the govt is socialism. Glad u agree.

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

Edited December 27, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

These two Georgia contests are impossible to call because they will be mostly about turnout and voter suppression, but historically the odds of both democrats winning in a Georgia runoff are quite remote. Sadly. 

From what I've read, the turnout is setting records.  Which is good news for the dems.  I'd love to see Mitch out of his job.  Worst performing senate in the past 100 years.

 

Either way, right now, seems to be a very tight race.  Luckily, Trump appears intent on destroying the GOP candidates prospects.

[Sujo]

10 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

Which is where all govts get their money. Even socialist ones. If you dont like socialism in any form you should refuse the handout.

[Tug]

That’s our Donald spreading hardship ,confusion and ruin were ever he goes he’s certainly master of the republicans cowering it terror of a mean tweet they straight up need to overcome his veto pull the handle on him and put mr trump were he belongs 

[Jeffr2]

11 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Nope...just getting back a small bit of the money it's taken from me under the threat of imprisonment. You do understand that every dollar the Federal government possesses was taken from its citizens?

And yet, we have one of the best countries in the world, with a relatively low tax rate. 

 

How would you recommend the government fund itself? 

 

Time for Trump to man up and help the Americans who really need help.  Sadly, he's out playing golf again.  Sadly, some still support him.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Which is where all govts get their money. Even socialist ones. If you dont like socialism in any form you should refuse the handout.

Just read on Fox News an article saying to vote for the GOP candidates in GA or the US will turn into a socialist country.  As you say, MAGA people should take heed and send back their social security checks.  Refuse help from Medicare.  Don't accept unemployment benefits. 

 

The US would save a lot of money.  But, they just say they want their money.  Clueless.

[Pattaya Spotter]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Which is where all govts get their money. Even socialist ones. If you dont like socialism in any form you should refuse the handout.

If a mugger offers to give you back a small amount of the money he took you'd refuse...that's very woke of you.

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

How would you recommend the government fund itself? 

I'd recommend the govt be much smaller and therefore need less funds.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'd recommend the govt be much smaller and therefore need less funds.

That's what Trump campaigned on, yet didn't do anything about this.  He just ran up the national debt.  Which he promised to eliminate in 8 years. Just one of his thousands of lies.

 

PS.  I was initially a strong supporter of the Tea Party.  Until they became a bit unhinged.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Jeffr2