Thailand warns of stricter measures if virus not contained

[Guderian]

They evidently missed the lesson from how the virus has been mishandled in most other countries that threatened to bring in stricter measures if the case load went up. To control the virus you have to get well ahead of it, you can't just react every week or two to an ever-increasing number of cases. Stamp on it now as hard as you can, and then with a bit of luck you'll get it under control. Pretending that you're running a lab experiment where you can turn a valve to exactly enforce some new restrictions, and at some precise level of measures the nasty old virus will go away. The government needs to start listening to the CCSA again, the idiot politicians clearly haven't got a clue as to the damage they're causing trying to run this show by themselves.

[charmonman]

11 hours ago, Anton9 said:

Strange because most of the famous people getting it have very mild or no sympthoms at all.

 

Well, as long as the famous people are OK then no problem. Huh???

[charmonman]

17 minutes ago, Guderian said:

They evidently missed the lesson from how the virus has been mishandled in most other countries that threatened to bring in stricter measures if the case load went up. To control the virus you have to get well ahead of it, you can't just react every week or two to an ever-increasing number of cases. Stamp on it now as hard as you can, and then with a bit of luck you'll get it under control. Pretending that you're running a lab experiment where you can turn a valve to exactly enforce some new restrictions, and at some precise level of measures the nasty old virus will go away. The government needs to start listening to the CCSA again, the idiot politicians clearly haven't got a clue as to the damage they're causing trying to run this show by themselves.

They did that the first time around and it worked well. I think they might be worried about the economic damage the second wave, but if they don't get it under control the damage will be worse. I agree with you, get ahead of it now with a short sharp lockdown and things will be better in February. Fart around with it and it could be months of misery on the level of Europe or the USA.

[Bender Rodriguez]

how many new deaths ?

 

they really want to kill the remainder of the economy for this 60 death in 10 months PANDEMIC

 

vs 60 die on the road each day

 

good choice!

[shackleton]

As already mentioned   we will all suffer  the Consequences  for the Government not taking any  action earlier ie Provinces not putting  Quarantine and lockdowns  in place

After the New year is finished let's see how the numbers pan out 

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Thailand warns of stricter measures if virus not contained

At the last count it's been detected in 43 provinces, contained is not a term I would use.

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, Anton9 said:

Strange because most of the famous people getting it have very mild or no sympthoms at all.

 

Does that include Anutin?

[OKF]

9 hours ago, bodga said:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/symptoms/flu-vs-covid19.htm

very  similar in many ways, the 1918 flu outbreaks  death rate was 2.5% CV19 is  currently 2.6% yet I see  many reports  only quote the last few  years for flu deaths at 0.01% which is misleading. The  1918 outbreak it  seems  was  also "new"  to  humans as is  cv19 and had  that  similar mortality. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3291398/#:~:text=The disease was exceptionally severe,not limited to 1918–1919.

 

When you throw out figures, you need to be very accurate what you are quoting. So what do your 2,5/2,6% relate to? Population in the world? Some country? Case fatalty? This is the way to really create disturbance like the MSM do.

 

The current world wide case mortality rate as per 28.12.20 is 2,19%. The mortality rate wordwide related to population is around 0,25% as it varies from study to study a bit. So to talk about a pandemic here and compare with the spanish flue where the worldwide mortality rate was 10x of it? Also in many countries the case mortality is substantially under 1%. 

 

SO if you use statistics get your facts right first pls.

 

 

[abrahamzvi]

11 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

But let's celebrate New Year first, and the worry about the consequences later.......

It‘s because of people like you, and few other commentators, who belittle the dangers of this“flu“, as well as people acting in such a nonsensical manner, pretending to defend „civil liberties“ world wide, that many millions of people either died or have been maimed by this „flu“. All I can say to such clever, selfish people, is, if you wish to endanger yourselves, don‘t act in a way endangering others.

[JHicks]

25 minutes ago, charmonman said:

They did that the first time around and it worked well. I think they might be worried about the economic damage the second wave, but if they don't get it under control the damage will be worse. I agree with you, get ahead of it now with a short sharp lockdown and things will be better in February. Fart around with it and it could be months of misery on the level of Europe or the USA.

Yeah, it's like:

 

"So can we have a show of hands - who acted too late and regretted it?"

 

"I see, basically the entire western world"

 

"And who acted too soon and regretted it?"

 

"No-one, then. So Thailand, is it go hard go early for you, or go late go light?"

 

"Can we have some time to think?"

[johnarth]

what is with people saying it is not a flue? does that mean we now have to change the name to make it something worse, by the way it is here to stay just like the flue, who ever thinks the flue is gone after all these years is wrong, and the flue is still killing thousands every year and how many of those deaths are being counted as covid 19 now nobody knows

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, johnarth said:

what is with people saying it is not a flue? does that mean we now have to change the name to make it something worse, by the way it is here to stay just like the flue, who ever thinks the flue is gone after all these years is wrong, and the flue is still killing thousands every year and how many of those deaths are being counted as covid 19 now nobody knows

Oh come on now, man!

Do science and facts matter, or not?

It is not a flu. It is a coronavirus. They are not the same thing.

As far as the severity this pandemic is significantly more dangerous than typical year's flu outbreaks or even bad flu year ones, which yes you are correct always kill people.

But occasionally there are flus that are massively more damaging such as in 1918 to 1920.

This pandemic has much more in common with the flu pandemic of 1918-1920 than any typical flu year.

But again -- IT IS NOT A FLU!

Edited December 30, 2020 by Jingthing

[JHicks]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Rather than start a new topic, I'm wondering if there has been any news about whether Thailand now has U.K. variant and whether it's become dominant. There was talk for weeks now about a faster spreading but not more lethal variant coming in from Myanmar. Is that the same as the U.K. variant? I'm sure I'm not the first to notice that not only is the Thailand covid-19 lucky honeymoon over but it's seems to be spreading very quickly relative to the earlier stage outbreaks. 

There was a report on here that they sequenced what they found in Samut Sakhon and it was an Indian variant that's apparently common in Myanmar. I think that has to mean it's not the same as the UK variant.

[bodga]

1 hour ago, sezze said:

For both cases , i do not know anywhere in the world where any hospital is full with TB or Rabies cases . If you get bitten by a stray dog you should get a vaccine for rabies , since it is 100% deadly ( well there is 1 known case of a girl who has survived it ) .

TB strangely enough was almost out of this world, thamks to vaccination . They only forgot some prisons in the gulag in Russia , so it got out there and since then is back slowly on the rise . It is however treatable as far as i remember .

Big  rise in TB in the Uk I read from Pakistanis/Indians Asia sometime  ago  etc Visa  requires  vaccination for that  now

[bodga]

12 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This pandemic has much more in common with the flu pandemic of 1918-1920 than any typical flu year.

Death rate  almost identical............so  far

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, bodga said:

Death rate  almost identical............so  far

Well it's difficult to measure that very accurately. 

For example, info out of Russia now indicates they have seriously undercounted the deaths.

Also of course the global population is much bigger now.

But it's obvious that both pandemics have strong similarities in how damaging they are, how societies have been massively disrupted, how mitigation measures such as masks have been politicized, and also how they are both multiple year events. 

A big positive difference we have now are vaccines!

[brianthainess]

31 minutes ago, johnarth said:

what is with people saying it is not a flue? does that mean we now have to change the name to make it something worse, by the way it is here to stay just like the flue, who ever thinks the flue is gone after all these years is wrong, and the flue is still killing thousands every year and how many of those deaths are being counted as covid 19 now nobody knows

My FLUE is gone, Santa broke it with his sleigh, should that be reported as an RTA. ????     Time to stock up on beer methinks.

Edited December 30, 2020 by brianthainess

[Bangkok Barry]

11 hours ago, Nout said:

12 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

But let's celebrate New Year first, and the worry about the consequences later.......

My understanding is the most NYE celebrations and countdowns have been cancelled

 

My area of Kalasin is flooded with people who have come up from Bangkok and elsewhere to celebrate New Year. As usual at this time of year, supermarket car parks are full, shops are crowded - and Tesco will as usual be taken by surprise and take two weeks to re-stock their shelves afterwards.

[Kaopad999]

12 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

But let's celebrate New Year first, and the worry about the consequences later.......

I know, i don't understand how they can allow people to travel this year with so many new cases... 
They really show have just  canceled NYE this year 

[Walker88]

More than one out of every thousand Americans is now dead from Covid. The infection rate is higher now than ever, so the death count will likely surge.

 

In 2 weeks only 2 million people have received the vaccine. Even if suddenly the US could vaccinate 1 million per day, it would take 11 months to vaccinate the entire population. The rollout of the vaccine has been as incompetent as the rest of the pandemic has been handled.

 

Hospitals in the US have never had fewer beds available. Many States have every ICU bed filled. This is going to shut out folks suffering from other ailments like cancer, stroke, heart disease, and even accident victims. There simply is no room for them and no medical staff to treat all who need treatment.

 

Covid-19 is NOT the flu or the 'flue'. Those who think even losing .1% of the population is okay (that is how many so far have died) are pretty cold. Of course when all is said and done, the percent of those taken will be considerably higher.

 

The golfer Greg Norman now has it. He said it is the worst thing he has ever experienced, and he's in great shape. He said he has had the flu (not sure if he's had the flue), and this is much worse.

 

Unlike the flu, Covid-19 has lasting negative effects in many who had it, from heart problems to kidney problems to nerve system damage.

 

Take it seriously. Your life may depend on it.

 

Those who think it's nothing more than the flu or isn't a threat if one is young or strong, do as one poster suggested: go volunteer in a Covid Ward and let others use the increasingly scarce PPE. See how 'not so dangerous' it is.

[Walker88]

From the US, a result of this 'flu':

 

Republican Congressman-elect Luke Letlow has died from Covid-19 at age 41, days before he was set to have been sworn in to represent Louisiana in the U.S. House, his spokesperson says.

 

I guess age 41 is in that old age group.

[onekoolguy]

13 hours ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Same everywhere, around 85 to 90% with no symptoms.

Several family members and friends in the USA have had the virus. All have had very mild symptoms such as sore throat minor fever etc. But I read of many people that have very bad experiences too. So not all the same?

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, onekoolguy said:

Several family members and friends in the USA have had the virus. All have had very mild symptoms such as sore throat minor fever etc. But I read of many people that have very bad experiences too. So not all the same?

I have a relative in the U.S. living in LA with a medical field background. She knows several people that have died from Covid-19. 

 

Personal anecdotes are personal anecdotes. We have statistics and they show this is a very serious threat to the public health. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Jingthing

[Jiggo]

12 hours ago, bodga said:

if  you step  outside  your  front door anytime their is  a possibility of you dying in an RTA

So don't cross the road.

[The retired guy]

They closing down all the bars again now, have girlfriend running a bar in Jomtien. She just told me 

[placnx]

5 hours ago, sezze said:

For both cases , i do not know anywhere in the world where any hospital is full with TB or Rabies cases . If you get bitten by a stray dog you should get a vaccine for rabies , since it is 100% deadly ( well there is 1 known case of a girl who has survived it ) .

TB strangely enough was almost out of this world, thamks to vaccination . They only forgot some prisons in the gulag in Russia , so it got out there and since then is back slowly on the rise . It is however treatable as far as i remember .

TB is a big problem in India because it is resistant to many antibiotics. People are poor and can't afford to take a full course of medicine for a long time, maybe 6 months, so that leads to resistant strains that are then easily passed on to others since the poor live in close quarters.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, JHicks said:

There was a report on here that they sequenced what they found in Samut Sakhon and it was an Indian variant that's apparently common in Myanmar. I think that has to mean it's not the same as the UK variant.

It would be interesting to compare the mutations in this Indian "variant" with the South Africa and UK strains. Anecdotally this new wave in Thailand seems to be aggressive, but does this strain have the mutations that are forcing lockdown in the UK?

[SupermarineS6B]

17 hours ago, Anton9 said:

Strange because most of the famous people getting it have very mild or no sympthoms at all.

 

Yep, dead right.  I've just met a person onboard ship who tested positive with five others, i asked him how it went ?   Nothing, not even a snivvle......  Figure that one...... 

[SupermarineS6B]

All under the bed !   Till the nasty monster goes away ....... 

[TD2312]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

More than one out of every thousand Americans is now dead from Covid. The infection rate is higher now than ever, so the death count will likely surge.

 

In 2 weeks only 2 million people have received the vaccine. Even if suddenly the US could vaccinate 1 million per day, it would take 11 months to vaccinate the entire population. The rollout of the vaccine has been as incompetent as the rest of the pandemic has been handled.

 

Hospitals in the US have never had fewer beds available. Many States have every ICU bed filled. This is going to shut out folks suffering from other ailments like cancer, stroke, heart disease, and even accident victims. There simply is no room for them and no medical staff to treat all who need treatment.

 

Covid-19 is NOT the flu or the 'flue'. Those who think even losing .1% of the population is okay (that is how many so far have died) are pretty cold. Of course when all is said and done, the percent of those taken will be considerably higher.

 

The golfer Greg Norman now has it. He said it is the worst thing he has ever experienced, and he's in great shape. He said he has had the flu (not sure if he's had the flue), and this is much worse.

 

Unlike the flu, Covid-19 has lasting negative effects in many who had it, from heart problems to kidney problems to nerve system damage.

 

Take it seriously. Your life may depend on it.

 

Those who think it's nothing more than the flu or isn't a threat if one is young or strong, do as one poster suggested: go volunteer in a Covid Ward and let others use the increasingly scarce PPE. See how 'not so dangerous' it is.

The CDC says you're WRONG! US deaths have been grossly exaggerated and the CDC puts the deaths FROM covid at 6% of the reported numbers. 94% have tested positive after their passing but covid was NOT the cause of death. There's a big difference between dying from covid and dying with covid.