Analysis - Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world

[J Town]

Just now, kingdong said:

Think you,ll find all politicians lie,goes with the job,at the start of the pandemic he was between the devil and the deep blue sea,and had to weigh off the risks to the nations health against the economy,and who were " the experts" not the who? at the start it seemed no one had a clue.one thing he did right was to stop paying who.

Again - NO! These were lies of a HORRIFIC level. The truth would at least have given people the knowledge to fight this deadly virus, and the politicization of mask wearing is unforgivable. Again, blood on his tiny hands.

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5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for proving my point.

Why does it seem incomprehensible to some people that someone who consistently acts hateful is hated?

[kingdong]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Read this and get back to us...doubt you will....

 

I guess the virus wasn't a hoax brought on by the dems to make him look bad.  Trump did an excellent job of that. LOL

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/17/us/covid-deaths-2020.html

One Year, 400,000 Coronavirus Deaths: How the U.S. Guaranteed Its Own Failure

After the White House declined to pursue a unified national strategy, governors faced off against lobbyists, health experts and a restless public consumed by misinformation.

 

 

 

Read thru it quickly and can only say hindsight is a wonderfull thing,also in the usa during the summer there was a lot of demonstrations with no social distancing,and although corona does appear to affect and kill older victims the young can carry and spread the disease with no symptons to their selves.anyway things aren,t nuch better in the uk,they say 1 in 6 peop!e has had it.

[ExpatOK]

19 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Sad times when people praise a criminal.  And one potentially responsible for the deaths of thousands due to his lies and botched handling of the virus.

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/19/trump-coronavirus-genocide-crime-against-humanity/
 

 

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

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What truly shows how disgraceful the Democrats attitude towards Trump has been, is the respect and affection revealed by the people who have worked with him over the last 4 years:

Pence, other GOP officials expected to skip Trump send-off

Vice President Pence is not expected to attend a send-off for President Trump at Joint Base Andrews on Wednesday, joining a host of other GOP officials who have declined to see the president off for his official departure from the White House.

Trump will leave the base about 8 a.m. on Wednesday for Florida. Officials are planning a formal ceremony for the president, who is declining to attend his successor's inauguration in a break with more than a century of tradition.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/534835-pence-other-gop-officials-expected-to-skip-trump-send-off

[J Town]

Just now, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

And this is why the US is THE worst country in the world with Covid. How can you people continue to rally around a criminal who killed tens of thousands of fellow citizens, defend a liar who destroyed families forever? Is it a 401k thing?

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1 minute ago, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

Yes, because the idea of using a vaccine to combat a viral disease is unprecedented in human history. And if it hadn't occurred to Trump, who shares those scientific genes with his uncle, the world would still be looking for a solution.

[OneMoreFarang]

This is a very interesting article about that subject:

 

Majority of Europeans fear Biden unable to fix 'broken' US

Survey finds more Europeans than not say US cannot be trusted after four years of Trump

 

Majority of Europeans fear Biden unable to fix 'broken' US | World news | The Guardian

[J Town]

7 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Read thru it quickly and can only say hindsight is a wonderful thing

You may have read it, but didn't understand. It's not hindsight that 45 admitted he lied to the country and politicized the safety precautions.

 

Is it a 401k thing? I honestly can't understand why people defend this criminal.

[Jeffr2]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

You've lost the plot.  You really need a better source for your news.  Operation Warp Speed was a failure and didn't live up to it's promises.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/crash-landing-of-operation-warp-speed-459892

 

The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'

Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.

Governors say the Warp Speed effort has made promises it didn't keep, with deliveries of doses falling short and reserve supplies exhausted. Physicians and logistics experts have critiqued the disorderly rollout, arguing that the Trump team should have done a better job of coordinating the nation's mass vaccination effort.

[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Read thru it quickly and can only say hindsight is a wonderfull thing,also in the usa during the summer there was a lot of demonstrations with no social distancing,and although corona does appear to affect and kill older victims the young can carry and spread the disease with no symptons to their selves.anyway things aren,t nuch better in the uk,they say 1 in 6 peop!e has had it.

Figures.  Blaming this on the BLM protests.  What about Trump's rallies?  Known to be super spreader events?  But yes, blame the people of color.

 

Impossible to deny Trump botched the virus response.  The friends and families of 400,000 dead Americans would agree with this.

[J Town]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

This is a very interesting article about that subject:

 

Majority of Europeans fear Biden unable to fix 'broken' US

Survey finds more Europeans than not say US cannot be trusted after four years of Trump

 

Majority of Europeans fear Biden unable to fix 'broken' US | World news | The Guardian

I've heard this sentiment and understand it. 45 has screwed the US for the rest of our lives on the global scene. Trust, once broken, is impossible to replace. We (global we) will have to cautiously renegotiate our respective relationships.

[Jeffr2]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/534804-mcconnell-trump-provoked-crowd-that-stormed-capitol

 

McConnell: Trump 'provoked' crowd that stormed Capitol

 

“The last time the Senate convened, we had just reclaimed the Capitol from violent criminals who tried to stop Congress from doing our duty. The mob was fed lies. They were provoked by the president and other powerful people,” McConnell said on the Senate floor, marking the first convening of the full Senate since the attack.

[J Town]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

13 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Read thru it quickly and can only say hindsight is a wonderfull thing,also in the usa during the summer there was a lot of demonstrations with no social distancing,and although corona does appear to affect and kill older victims the young can carry and spread the disease with no symptons to their selves.anyway things aren,t nuch better in the uk,they say 1 in 6 peop!e has had it.

Figures.  Blaming this on the BLM protests.  What about Trump's rallies?  Known to be super spreader events?  But yes, blame the people of color.

 

Impossible to deny Trump botched the virus response.  The friends and families of 400,000 dead Americans would agree with this.

One more time - 45 supporters either Deny, Ignore, Lie, Deflect, and/or Obfuscate.

[sirineou]

46 minutes ago, kingdong said:

But to be fair,the last year of his term was  when the corona pandemic was raging.

What pandemic? the fake democrat pandemic ?

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5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You've lost the plot.  You really need a better source for your news.  Operation Warp Speed was a failure and didn't live up to it's promises.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/crash-landing-of-operation-warp-speed-459892

 

The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'

Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.

Governors say the Warp Speed effort has made promises it didn't keep, with deliveries of doses falling short and reserve supplies exhausted. Physicians and logistics experts have critiqued the disorderly rollout, arguing that the Trump team should have done a better job of coordinating the nation's mass vaccination effort.

I think you're being a little unfair...

The Trump Administration Was Just Kidding When It Said It Had Tons More Vaccine Doses to Ship Out (It Has Zero)

Earlier this week, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar announced that the federal government would start releasing COVID-19 doses that had been held in reserve for second shots, as part of an effort to ramp up a distribution process that has been plagued by chaos and delay... There was just one teeny, tiny problem with the new plan, so small that the federal government apparently didn’t think to mention it at the time. It didn‘t have any more doses to ship out. 

The Trump Administration Was Just Kidding When It Said It Had Tons More Vaccine Doses to Ship Out (It Has Zero) | Vanity Fair

...or maybe not.

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[Andrew Dwyer]

This sums it up:

 

” He leaves office with an approval rating of 34%, a record low for a departing president. “

[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

Please provide a credible link that proves this.  Otherwise you're trolling.

[Tug]

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seriously? The below quote from Tug seems pretty "hateful" to me.

 

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He was an abomination of a president the absolute worst ever.we will learn more in the coming days I’m afraid good riddance I sincerely hope that some how you pay for what you have done to our nation 

Yup he earned it with interest I don’t (like presidents)who get 400,000 Americans killed due to incompetence nor separate little kids from their parents who send allies and their families to their deaths who rig the election still lose then attempt a coup yup he’s an abomination imo good riddance and I hope he pays for what he’s done

[PatOngo]

Finally, Good Riddance Day is almost upon us! Can I get in early, "Good Riddance Donald J Trump!"

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

If 45 had made the SLIGHTEST attempt at a real handling of Covid, he'd probably be getting sworn in this 20th of January. Instead, he stupidly admitted to lying about it while being recorded against the advice of those around him.

 

We all know the division - just look at the conversations on this forum. I can say with absolute conviction it is the 45 supporters who have the problem. When confronted with facts, every never-45 member will go "Ah, I see your point." When the same facts are presented to 45 supporters, well, you know the drill:

Deflect, Ignore, Lie, Deny and/or Obfuscate.

 

45 supporters have to evolve before any real unification of the country can happen. Turn off Fox/OAN/Newsmax. There is a reason they aren't accepted as viable sources. Long term 45 supporters here won't engage any more other than "laugh" emo's. New ones are quickly going to my "Ignore User" list for their specious words.

 

Until we have honest conversations, the adults trying to fix the country will have the added burden of dealing with the impudent children fighting progress.

I agree

 

To be fair I think we must clearly distinguish between Trump and conservative politics. Because it seems many people who like conservative politics think anti-Trumpers are also always anti conservative.

 

I am no conservative but if there are a majority of people in the USA who like conservative politics then it's only fair if they have a president who promotes conservative laws, lawmakers, judges, etc.

So i.e. when he worked to get those conservative judges on the supreme court that was conservative politics - fair enough.

 

The huge problem with Trump are all his lies, his attacks on the press, his deliberate dividing the nation, his not accepting the election, etc. That is what Trump stands for and that makes him this very undesirable individuum.

 

Unfortunately too many conservatives in the USA supported Trump for too long. Do all conservatives like lies? Do they like a divided nation? Probably not. But many let it happen.

It's time for those conservatives with a spine to stand up and say: enough is enough! Criminals are criminals, liars are liars, regardless of their politics. And people who start an insurrection should be in jail!

 

 

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6 minutes ago, sirineou said:

What pandemic? the fake democrat pandemic ?

To be fair, Trump said the Democrats were exaggerating the threat posed by the pandemic. And to give him credit, there were vindictive, spiteful, hate-filled Democrats who were saying the the pandemic might not disappear by Easter, like magic.

[J Town]

7 hours ago, PatOngo said:

Finally, Good Riddance Day is almost upon us! Can I get in early, "Good Riddance Donald J Trump!"

Go forth cautiously. At the time of my post, he still has over 16 hours left and has far too much great power...

Edited January 20, 2021 by onthedarkside
trolling comment removed

[Jeffr2]

7 hours ago, J Town said:

Go forth cautiously. At the time of my post, he still has over 16 hours left and has far too much great power...

This might be good news.  Maybe Ivanka helped him logically think this through...

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/politics/trump-self-pardon-warning/index.html

 

Trump talked out of pardoning kids and Republican lawmakers

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, PatOngo said:

Finally, Good Riddance Day is almost upon us! Can I get in early, "Good Riddance Donald J Trump!"

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IMO you will still be hearing about Trump for a very long time as CNN etc need to keep talking about him to keep their ratings up.

Also he'll be involved in primaries in 2022 and hopefully back as POTUS in 2024.

 

Resist 46.

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1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

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IMO you will still be hearing about Trump for a very long time as CNN etc need to keep talking about him to keep their ratings up.

Also he'll be involved in primaries in 2022 and hopefully back as POTUS in 2024.

 

Resist 46.

I guess when the present situation doesn't support your beliefs, you've got little recourse but to invoke an imagined future.

[ExpatOK]

18 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

You've lost the plot.  You really need a better source for your news.  Operation Warp Speed was a failure and didn't live up to it's promises.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/17/crash-landing-of-operation-warp-speed-459892

 

The crash landing of 'Operation Warp Speed'

Born as a second Manhattan Project, the Trump administration vaccine program actually achieved most of its goals – until distribution problems marred its success.

Governors say the Warp Speed effort has made promises it didn't keep, with deliveries of doses falling short and reserve supplies exhausted. Physicians and logistics experts have critiqued the disorderly rollout, arguing that the Trump team should have done a better job of coordinating the nation's mass vaccination effort.

Do yourself a favor and watch this video so you can develop a heart of gratitude for the greatest president ever. He lays out his administration's accomplishments in a clear concise way.

 

Look at the facts and let go of the hate.

Edited January 20, 2021 by ExpatOK

[kingdong]

14 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Figures.  Blaming this on the BLM protests.  What about Trump's rallies?  Known to be super spreader events?  But yes, blame the people of color.

 

Impossible to deny Trump botched the virus response.  The friends and families of 400,000 dead Americans would agree with this.

Did trump hold rallys during lockdown in the summer? I only remember the blm protests here ( uk) and usa,anyway no need to play the race card.

[PatOngo]

19 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

Absurd. Trump saves the world from the coronavirus through Operation Warp Speed, and this is the kind of nonsense people spew.

400,000 dead? Trump saved what?? Unbelievable how some swallow the lies that Trump sprooks, stolen election, yeah right, ten years of war in Vietnam (55,000 killed in ten years)was a walk in the park compared to Trumps term, 400,000 dead in ten months! Stand down Proud Boys!

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

But to be fair,the last year of his term was  when the corona pandemic was raging.

And to be fair, he did almost nothing. The richest nation on earth has the most sick people and dead people from corona. And Trump is to a huge part responsible for that.