13 minutes ago, vogie said:

It matters not one jot what it says in the House of Commons Library, all good governments will always play down such enormous errors, I believe it is called 'diplomacy'. And this is not what we are hearing from other outlets such as the remainer Sky News, they triggered it all right, or else how could they have retracted it.

If it wasn't for the intervention of Boris Johnson with his tete a tete with UvdL, who knows what this could have escalated into, it doesn't bare thinking about, so stop you condemnation of this leader who quickly recovered the situation and give credit where credit is due.

"What is Article 16 and why did the EU make a U-turn after triggering it?"

https://news.sky.com/story/what-is-article-16-and-why-did-the-eu-make-a-u-turn-after-triggering-it-12202915

 

"Nowhere near as rabidly anti EU as yours!"

Rather harsh words from a man who normally treats other posters with the utmost respect.????

And just for the record I am not "rabidly anti EU" it's just the more I see of what is coming out of Brussels the less fond I become of them. And it could be argued that you are extremely protective of them, to the point were you feel it is necessary to defend them continuously.

 

Where have I ever said that I have any faith in him; let alone complete faith? I haven't; because I don't.

 

Where have I ever said that I have any trust in him at all? I haven't; because I don't.

 

Johnson one of our all time greatest PMs in peace time Britain? Wow, you have really got it bad!

 

Well that was the point I was making you should have more faith in a man that has done what the citizens asked of him and more.

 

More Boris sycophancy from you.

 

I've already provided a link to YouGov showing how low his approval rating has sunk; here it is again.

 

Here's another one, which shows that he isn't even the most popular Tory politician and that only 34% have a positive opinion of him.

 

As I've often said, I'm not a great believer in opinion polls; but you seem to be, at least when you like the results, and have often quoted YouGov. As you did so again yesterday here:

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense; I'll simply, in true Parliamentary fashion, refer you to the answers I gave before; in particular my condemnation of the EU's proposal.

 

Interesting, though, that you dismiss the words of HMG so easily when it suits you!

21 minutes ago, vogie said:

And yet by one foul swoop UvdL upset both Republicans and Unionists. Nice one Cyril.

 

And rapidly retracted and acknowledged her mistake.

 

When has BoJo ever done that? 

If can not follow E.U. banking rules ....The city has no way to do banking in Euroland ....simple logic ????

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-banking-rules-andrew-bailey-b1800593.html

 

NewsBusiness

‘Unrealistic and dangerous’ to stick to EU banking rules after Brexit, says Bank of England governor

Andrew Bailey says UK must be free to diverge on financial services regulation

en Chapman@b_c_chapman

3 hours ago

It would be "unrealistic" and "dangerous" for the UK to stick to EU banking rules after Brexit, Bank of England governor Andrew Bailey has said.

 

 

19 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Boris can say whatever he likes about EU as far as I'm concerned.

 

Ah I see; the EU says one thing; hypocritical.

 

Boris says the same; wonderful.

 

20 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

People like you think you know it all so why don't you get to do the job his doing. 

Couldn't be any worse at it!

 

Why do you Brexiteers who bang on and on about democracy when it suits you want to stop others using our democratic right to criticise the government?

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

And yet by one foul swoop UvdL upset both Republicans and Unionists. Nice one Cyril.

But she also illustrated to them another advantage of reunification, it couldn't happen after that.

 

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

 

More Boris sycophancy from you.

 

I've already provided a link to YouGov showing how low his approval rating has sunk; here it is again.

 

Here's another one, which shows that he isn't even the most popular Tory politician and that only 34% have a positive opinion of him.

 

As I've often said, I'm not a great believer in opinion polls; but you seem to be, at least when you like the results, and have often quoted YouGov. As you did so again yesterday here:

 

 

As for the rest of your nonsense; I'll simply, in true Parliamentary fashion, refer you to the answers I gave before; in particular my condemnation of the EU's proposal.

 

Interesting, though, that you dismiss the words of HMG so easily when it suits you!

Let's look at the evidence, without Boris there propably might not even be a Concervative Party now, he stopped them from going under and the reason the Tories did so well in the GE was because of Boris and the magnificent team he surrounded himself with, the country had faith in him and so the rest is history. He may not be as popular as he should be, but can I suggest that has more to do with the covid crisis he has to contend with at the moment than anything else, no leader could have done any better than Boris, but you can be sure many could have done a lot worse.

For a party that is taken so much stick at the moment they are still way ahead of their nearest rivals Labour, so whats it to be, the Tories are very good or the Labour Party is extremely bad.

I have not dismissed the words from HMG, I have explained to you the reasoning behind their wording and why they may chose to go down that route instead of sabre rattling, governments can say one thing when totally meaning something else, again diplomacy.

 

16 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

And rapidly retracted and acknowledged her mistake.

 

When has BoJo ever done that? 

It could have been a very serious mistake and still might be, it should have never in a month of Sundays have happened at all.

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

He may not be as popular as he should be

No...I guess 100,000 plus dead won't help any.

Just now, Surelynot said:

No...I guess 100,000 plus dead won't help any.

BS. Maybe go on a covid topic and we'll discuss BJs spare room where he keeps his bats.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

BS. Maybe go on a covid topic and we'll discuss BJs spare room where he keeps his bats.

Oh! Is this not the "I love Boris" thread....my bad.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-london-trading-amsterdam-shares-stock-exchange-b1800835.html

Brexit: Amsterdam surpasses London as Europe’s leading share trading hub
Billions of euros of trades move to Dutch capital as new rules ban EU firms from settling transactions in London

 

Ben Chapman @b_c_chapman
30 minutes ago

 

Amsterdam has surpassed London as Europe's leading share trading hub in the wake of Brexit.
An average €9.2bn shares a day were traded on Euronext Amsterdam and the Dutch arms of CBOE Europe and Turquoise in January, according to data from CBOE Europe first reported by the Financial Times.

EU-based financial firms are banned from trading in London because the EU has not recognised UK regulations on exchanges as equivalent to its own. The change prompted €6.5bn (£5.7bn) of daily transactions to move from the UK on 1 January – around half of London's European sharare trading business.

 

The Irish PM can see how the EU's continual and disgraceful use of Ireland as a negotiating tool could be very damaging. It's about time he spoke up about it. 

 

Brexit: Micheál Martin calls on 'big beasts' of EU to 'cool it'

The taoiseach (Irish PM) has called on the "bigger beasts of the EU" to "cool it" in their dealings with the UK.

"This isn't an ongoing battle between the UK and some of the bigger beasts of Europe. Let's move away from that. They need to cool it. We'll be collateral damage in all of that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56026320

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Yet again, you've refused to answer the question.

 

Yet again you made a ridiculous remark which came back to bite you and are now making an even bigger fool of yourself in trying to justify

 

Will you never learn?

Explain please? 

28 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

 

The Irish PM can see how the EU's continual and disgraceful use of Ireland as a negotiating tool could be very damaging. It's about time he spoke up about it. 

 

Brexit: Micheál Martin calls on 'big beasts' of EU to 'cool it'

The taoiseach (Irish PM) has called on the "bigger beasts of the EU" to "cool it" in their dealings with the UK.

"This isn't an ongoing battle between the UK and some of the bigger beasts of Europe. Let's move away from that. They need to cool it. We'll be collateral damage in all of that.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56026320

If he has the Ultimate solution he is very welcome to give it ....

 

if it was not by supporting ROI. & the good friday agreements the E.U. would not have this problem(s)  ....He better keep that in mind 

1 hour ago, david555 said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-london-trading-amsterdam-shares-stock-exchange-b1800835.html

 

 

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. The change prompted €6.5bn (£5.7bn) of daily transactions to move from the UK on 1 January – around half of London's European share trading business.

The first question was "what was Europeans share trading business doing in a non-€ country in the first place?" . 

 

The second question is "how can we take back the other half? " 

 

. 

The EU has replied to the UK's request 

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/info/files/letter_from_vp_sefcovic_to_cdl_rh_gove.pdf

 

EU to UK - You haven't done this and that, and that and this that you promised in December you would do.

 

If you want more relaxation you'll need closer alignment.

 

Worried about lack of faith from UK.

42 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

The first question was "what was Europeans share trading business doing in a non-€ country in the first place?" . 

 

The second question is "how can we take back the other half? " 

 

. 

 

" The second question is "how can we take back the other half? " 

 

 

Just by let go as it is going ...and surely not give in on their wishes ....

2 hours ago, david555 said:

If he has the Ultimate solution he is very welcome to give it ....

 

if it was not by supporting ROI. & the good friday agreements the E.U. would not have this problem(s)  ....He better keep that in mind 

It is not in he EU's interests to come up with solutions for the Irish border. It is in their interests to use the border issue as an obstacle. 

A solution would have been found ages ago if the EU were not hell bent on making it a problem. 

5 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is not in he EU's interests to come up with solutions for the Irish border. It is in their interests to use the border issue as an obstacle. 

A solution would have been found ages ago if the EU were not hell bent on making it a problem. 

The Irish problem was decades if not longer ...already a English problem ....which was no more when U.K. was a E.U. member .... until brexit came in game .... hence THAT made it complicated ....

 

your choice and freedom , but there lies the reason now for the N.I / R.O.I. problem

 

You make it look like we created brexit ...ridicolous ! ????

16 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is not in he EU's interests to come up with solutions for the Irish border. It is in their interests to use the border issue as an obstacle. 

A solution would have been found ages ago if the EU were not hell bent on making it a problem. 

That is just not true.
 

It was the Irish govt who saw the problems that the brexit vote would cause re the Good Friday Agreement and wanted them dealt with. 
 

Stop perpetuating the brexiteer fallacy that the EU used the issue of the border as a cudgel. 
 

The only reason there is a border in Eire is because of English solutions. 

26 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It is not in he EU's interests to come up with solutions for the Irish border. It is in their interests to use the border issue as an obstacle. 

A solution would have been found ages ago if the EU were not hell bent on making it a problem. 

A solution was found ages ago. It was the UK who was hell bent to destroy that solution. Because the solution was not in the UK’s interest. No deal with the consequences. 

44 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Stop perpetuating the brexiteer fallacy that the EU used the issue of the border as a cudgel.

I don't need to

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

The first question was "what was Europeans share trading business doing in a non-€ country in the first place?" . 

 

The second question is "how can we take back the other half? " 

 

. 

The currency of the underlying security traded in is not of that much importance... in fact the exchange itself (not familiar with London or Amsterdam) may have nothing to do with the cash settlement.... it may very well be centralized at a third party that does the settlement (i.e. dealer settles a net amount for all trades with the central clearing/settlement (as do all) and the money would be transferred through that agency to another dealer. 

 

Toronto Stock exchange has some USD listings (I think for certain interlisted securities though not all... and not very many). 

 

Now that the UK is out of the EU, there is no reason to facilitate UK continuing to trade EU securities (especially in EU dollars), as the public companies should be regulated under EU regulations... and I suspect trading on another public exchange makes that more complicated.

52 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Stop perpetuating the brexiteer fallacy that the EU used the issue of the border as a cudgel.

Here's some more for you:

 

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017.

 

(The department heads with the expertise were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.)

 

We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

 

And here is what the UK Customs boss said:

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

– Sir Jon Thompson, Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

 

40 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

Here's some more for you:

 

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017.

 

(The department heads with the expertise were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.)

 

We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

 

And here is what the UK Customs boss said:

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

– Sir Jon Thompson, Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

 

I just had a hard time figuring out what this was exactly.  Of course the decisions would have to be deferred to the EU since the negotiations were with the EU as a whole -- not with Ireland or France...

 

Although not the ideal way for this to come about, if this leads to a united Ireland (peaceful transition) then all the better for both the UK mainland and for Ireland.  It is not as though it had not been a policy discussion before - it was discussed internally to the UK in 1974 about potentially withdrawing completely from Ireland.   I got the feeling that some of the GFA was really negotiated in such a way that it was really a soft nudge in that directly.  As long as the UK stayed in the EU common market - this transition could take place over an extended period of time since ... well... on the ground it did not have much impact.  With the UK out - it has caused a lot of turmoil in the short term, as it will have an impact on the ground. 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

I don't need to

 

 

 

That video does not negate what I said nor support the post I quoted. 

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

Here's some more for you:

 

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017.

 

(The department heads with the expertise were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.)

 

We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

 

And here is what the UK Customs boss said:

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

– Sir Jon Thompson, Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

 

Again, Eire ensured that the EU negotiations with britain would ensure her interests in ensuring the Good Friday Agreement was protected. 
 

The whole brexiteer fallacy about the eu using the border issue as a cudgel is just that-a fallacy.

 

14 hours ago, tebee said:

They, the people of NI, were not exactly given a choice about this.

The current messy solution was forced on them by the UK government, without them having any input on the matter.

give me a break.  They voted like the rest of us.  They are nothing special, they just keep getting treated as such and its balls achingly boring after all these years and all those deaths, many of them innocent lives. . 

26 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

give me a break.  They voted like the rest of us.  They are nothing special, they just keep getting treated as such and its balls achingly boring after all these years and all those deaths, many of them innocent lives. . 

A united Ireland is the only answer. For the Protestants who fear being a minority, safeguards must be provided in the constitution. We, the UK created this problem by invading Ireland and moving in  Scottish settlers etc. 

23 minutes ago, bannork said:

A united Ireland is the only answer. For the Protestants who fear being a minority, safeguards must be provided in the constitution. We, the UK created this problem by invading Ireland and moving in  Scottish settlers etc. 

absolutely.