16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Bout time YOU got over the vote.its gone and done. Reminders leavers. It's irrelevant.  DONE.... PAST .  

 

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. I've got nothing to get over, since we got the result we wanted. But I couldn't agree more. pity you don't practice what you preach....

 

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

That is PROVING to be an unmitigated borderline economic disaster...short term, mid term and looks like could well be long term...and the 'crowning Jem' is that it WILL facilitate that the break up of the United Kingdom..

 

More baseless crowing / predictions.

 

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

But  for the UK economy its PROVING to be expensive unproductive stupid idea

 

It's not an idea, it's a fact - get over it, as you just said.....

16 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

This rapid spread of the epidemic had little to do with individuals..but had a whole lot to do with the government's mid management...125000 deaths bacs that. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be, as am I.

18 hours ago, bannork said:

Failure to provide adequate PPE and test and tracing apparatus lies firmly with the government and the dreadful death toll.

Contracts awarded to their cronies.

45% refers to the total amount of British exports destined for the EU.

Now  downgraded to third country status by a delusional belief in sovereignty.

 

Please find another drum to bang, this was is still sounding somewhat hollow...

2 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion, however flawed it may be, as am I.

BUT its not an opinion ... it's a FACT.  The highest death toll in Europe does NOT point towards a well managed pandemic...

7 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

I've been saying the same thing for weeks. I've got nothing to get over, since we got the result we wanted. But I couldn't agree more. pity you don't practice what you preach....

 

 

More baseless crowing / predictions.

 

 

It's not an idea, it's a fact - get over it, as you just said.....

Yawnnn...

11 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

BUT its not an opinion ... it's a FACT.  The highest death toll in Europe does NOT point towards a well managed pandemic...

 

Neither does it absolve the British public of any responsibility for the figures... Or did you miss my comment about the vast reductions in incidents during the strictly applied lockdowns???

 

I.e. not fact - opinion!!

10 minutes ago, 3 minus 2 said:

Yawnnn...

 

And you call me ignorant.... That's rich from one who cannot recognise his own affliction...

1 minute ago, Tofer said:

vast reductions in incidents during the strictly applied lockdowns

...which were then lifted too early.....eat out to help spread the virus, ignore the Sept advice from SAGE, lockdown too late again and introduce the Boris Xmas 5 day Killerthon....all of that equates to bad management.

15 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

That's a wild unsubstantiated claim!

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

Oooo...that's bit naughty...presenting evidence to support a statement....555

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

Please find another drum to bang, this was is still sounding somewhat hollow...

Your fault for bringing vaccines into a Brexit teething troubles thread . 

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

And that's only the lost GDP. It does not include additional cost such as staffing and operating the customs administration, the manpower used by businesses to do the paperwork. Plus the cost of activities formerly carried out by the EU.

1 hour ago, candide said:

And that's only the lost GDP. It does not include additional cost such as staffing and operating the customs administration, the manpower used by businesses to do the paperwork. Plus the cost of activities formerly carried out by the EU.

+ it’s not including the next 10 years for which the UK government said to expect additional cost. 

3 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

There’s no definitive figure for the economic impact of Brexit. The analysis this is based on estimates the UK’s GDP is £130 billion lower in 2019 than it would have been had it followed pre-EU referendum trends. Between 1973 and 2018 the UK’s net contribution to the EU was £216 billion in real terms

https://fullfact.org/europe/online-cost-brexit-net-contributions/

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

There’s no definitive figure for the economic impact of Brexit. The analysis this is based on estimates the UK’s GDP is £130 billion lower in 2019 than it would have been had it followed pre-EU referendum trends. Between 1973 and 2018 the UK’s net contribution to the EU was £216 billion in real terms

https://fullfact.org/europe/online-cost-brexit-net-contributions/

mm just a quick question: is he comparing a total contribution summed along 45 years with a yearly GdP loss?

 

 

I like Boris's images from "the Express" tabloid, reminds me of WW2 propaganda posters ???? (source)

 

Boris is a Hero, I tell ya

 

 

btw did the pound just go down again ? Did they publish a new article?

 

(source Yahoo finance, as mentioned on the graph)

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

More 'finger in the air' nonsense from Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics. And some people actually believe this tripe ???? 

EU Commission sets out punitive measures against Irish Fishing Industry

With the fleet already facing a huge cut in mackerel quota due to a botched Trade and Cooperation Agreement with the UK, now the Commission is going to introduce draconian measures such as deducting tens of thousands of tonnes of fish from the Irish fishing fleets annual quota over the next few years, with the fishing industry will also standing to lose up to €40 million according to a report in yesterday’s Irish Times.

https://thefishingdaily.com/featured-news/eu-commission-sets-out-punitive-measures-against-irish-fishing-industry/

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

More 'finger in the air' nonsense from Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics. And some people actually believe this tripe ???? 

So what makes you know more about this than Bloomberg? Just saying 'tripe' is not much of an argument.

36 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

EU Commission sets out punitive measures against Irish Fishing Industry

if the experts working for the commission are finding "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing" it probably means that "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing.'

 

and of course the fisher's magazine is not happy. Who would be?

 

Anyway we have exactly the same problem with fishermen of other countries, who tend to overfish to increase their profits, this is not an Irish issue

1 hour ago, Hi from France said:

if the experts working for the commission are finding "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing" it probably means that "Irish boats are guilty of overfishing.'

 

and of course the fisher's magazine is not happy. Who would be?

 

Anyway we have exactly the same problem with fishermen of other countries, who tend to overfish to increase their profits, this is not an Irish issue

And which countries that you are aware of overfish do you have a link please

55 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And which countries that you are aware of overfish do you have a link please

Apparently, It's a recurrent problem.

Ireland, Spain worst for exceeding EU fish quotas

Jan 19, 2006

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland-spain-worst-for-exceeding-eu-fish-quotas-1.768781

6 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

More 'finger in the air' nonsense from Pro-EU Bloomberg Economics. And some people actually believe this tripe ???? 

Any evidence for your wild and unsubstantiated claims? 

15 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

16 hours ago, Tofer said:

That's a wild unsubstantiated claim!

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

Selective quotations to distort the thread are not allowed on this forum, and are particularly disingenuous...

 

Try using the full quotation in future.

 

That's a wild unsubstantiated claim!

 

Furthermore, you are twisting the argument, yet again. My  post was a response relating to the absence of any funds from the EU's Covid recovery fund, and the fact it couldn't be established as a factual figure and, specifically that it was likely to be less than our contributions would have been. It had nothing to do with your ramblings about the cost of Brexit...

 

Still no meaningful response... ????

15 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Not too wild and unsubstantiated, apparently:

 

 

Another, so called expert forcast....

 

What happened to all these hailed and informed (????) FACTS?

15 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Oooo...that's bit naughty...presenting evidence to support a statement....555

 

If you call that evidence.... So called experts making forecasts / predictions... ????

15 hours ago, bannork said:

Your fault for bringing vaccines into a Brexit teething troubles thread . 

 

I'm sure you would prefer to ignore my full response to your disingenuous comment.

 

Here it is again just to remind you why it was necessary to introduce it;

 

It would appear you're attributing everything to Brexit - have you not heard about the Covid pandemic, very convenient for your doom and gloom scenario isn't it?

 

Would you care to attempt to dispel that theory, or will you just ignore the fact yet again....??

 

I think you'll then find it was the remainers, and you in particular, who turned it into an assassination of Boris' Covid related performance - not I...

1 hour ago, Tofer said:

 

I'm sure you would prefer to ignore my full response to your disingenuous comment.

 

Here it is again just to remind you why it was necessary to introduce it;

 

It would appear you're attributing everything to Brexit - have you not heard about the Covid pandemic, very convenient for your doom and gloom scenario isn't it?

 

Would you care to attempt to dispel that theory, or will you just ignore the fact yet again....??

 

I think you'll then find it was the remainers, and you in particular, who turned it into an assassination of Boris' Covid related performance - not I...

You may have noted that all the problems of exports and trade with the EU began on January 1st. Now I wonder why that is.

38 minutes ago, bannork said:

You may have noted that all the problems of exports and trade with the EU began on January 1st. Now I wonder why that is.

 

There you again again, changing the subject to avoid the issue.

 

What I wonder is why you keep avoiding the question? 

 

Granted it was originally related to 3-2's statement, but you've perpetuated it.

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

If you call that evidence.... So called experts making forecasts / predictions... ????

 

Perhaps you could present some evidence to support your view that everything is just dandy.

6 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Perhaps you could present some evidence to support your view that everything is just dandy.

 

 

If it feels just dandy, then it is just dandy.

 

 

What more evidence do you need......... evidence will not make it feel just dandy for you, so just don't bother.