AstraZeneca finds no evidence of increased blood clot risk from vaccine

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That wasnt the point.

The point was that if your vaccine is so good and ready to go, why would you need to discredit another vaccine using unsubstantiated data.

Sounds like the Oxford/AZ vaccine has a lot of companies feeling insecure. Even Macron was rubbishing it a few weeks ago.

Politics interfering with saving lives. Sad stuff.

 

Nobody was trying to discredit another vaccine.  Some issues were found, they were investigated, and found to be not related to the jab.

I'm not into conspiracy theories.  As for the AZ jab, there have been issues surrounding it.  That's been ongoing for some time.

Here's but one issue.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210314-covid-19-astrazeneca-to-reduce-eu-vaccine-deliveries-following-production-problems

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That wasnt the point.

The point was that if your vaccine is so good and ready to go, why would you need to discredit another vaccine using unsubstantiated data.

Sounds like the Oxford/AZ vaccine has a lot of companies feeling insecure. Even Macron was rubbishing it a few weeks ago.

Politics interfering with saving lives. Sad stuff.

 

Worth a read:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/business/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford.html

After Admitting Mistake, AstraZeneca Faces Difficult Questions About Its Vaccine

Some trial participants only got a partial dose of AstraZeneca’s vaccine. Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

[stevenl]

5 hours ago, LomSak27 said:

Ah, deflections where would we be without them. Good one, but not what I was posting about. Where is the conspiracy in why Ireland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland suspended the use of AZ. Need some facts here not just hot air.

Take your time,  I've got all hot season. 

 

 

 

 

 

 in Ireland, Denmark, Norway and Iceland.

I'll wait I have time. 

They're reacting on public opinion and fear, not on data.

[polpott]

17 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Experts said the company’s spotty disclosures have eroded confidence.

And who would those "experts" be. US big pharma executives who are selling their vaccines at ten times the price?

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, polpott said:

And who would those "experts" be. US big pharma executives who are selling their vaccines at ten times the price?

Lots of reports from lots of credible sites about this.  Executives are not considered experts.  Scientists are.

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

The super effective and inexpensive AZ vaccine seems to be being attacked by many countries that have spent billions developing their own less effective vaccines.

Can't imagine why...

What are those countries? Please name those "less effective vaccines." I only know of one "less effective" vaccine, Sinovac. 

[richard_smith237]

It was reported that Covid-19 itself causes Thrombosis...  (blood clotting). 

Now this.... 

 

Having had 2 Pulmonary Embolisms - is it not possible that some people are just more susceptible to thrombosis anyway ?????

[chilly07]

I would find it remarkable if blood clots were not found in a few subjects during widescale testing and vaccination programmes as they are targeting at risk populations who will be at high risk from prexisting conditions

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Nobody was trying to discredit another vaccine.  Some issues were found, they were investigated, and found to be not related to the jab.

I'm not into conspiracy theories.  As for the AZ jab, there have been issues surrounding it.  That's been ongoing for some time.

Here's but one issue.

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20210314-covid-19-astrazeneca-to-reduce-eu-vaccine-deliveries-following-production-problems

I’m not into conspiracies or anti vaxer theories either. Which is why I find all these unsubstantiated claimed against AZ to be suspicious. It strikes me as being political or commercial interests heading this up.

Which vaccine is 100% effective with zero side effects ?

AZ seems to be the best based on empirical evidence but also the most commonly attacked. Weird huh ?

 

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6 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

I'm sure that the relatives of the 3 people that died yesterday will disagree - and probably also you polpott

Because it just so happens that their relatives are all epidemiologists? Or that you want to give special preference to the opinions of people who are distraught with grief? Because being wracked by emotion is conducive to clear thinking?

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1 hour ago, John Drake said:

What are those countries? Please name those "less effective vaccines." I only know of one "less effective" vaccine, Sinovac. 

'Humiliation': French see Covid-19 vaccine flops as sign of decline

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210126-humiliation-french-see-covid-19-vaccine-flops-as-sign-of-decline

[GrandPapillon]

AZ playing games again and suspending some expected deliveries to the EU, on the top of the ban they are getting for more and more countries

it seems AZ is not fully transparent in their ops, and the medical research around the tests

didn't expect less from a British company ????

[John Drake]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

'Humiliation': French see Covid-19 vaccine flops as sign of decline

https://www.france24.com/en/france/20210126-humiliation-french-see-covid-19-vaccine-flops-as-sign-of-decline

This is pettifogging. The French vaccines are not in the running. You could say then that the Thai vaccines are in on the conspiracy too, because they are lagging in development. The complaint has been that the Russians and Chinese have been engaged in vaccine warfare by using unwitting and/or witting agents in the West to spread doubt. Yet the doubts about Astra Zeneca came from the Danish, Norwegian, and Icelandic government, which as far as I know, have no vaccine development alternative to push and are not agents of the Kremlin. The fact is that the AZ vaccine has had a series of missteps, sloppy testing and paperwork. And then there is the fact that their vaccine is apparently less effective against the emerging variants than Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. That is not a conspiracy by "less effective" vaccines as the original poster stated.

[RichardColeman]

Thank heavens we left the EU. hopefully the UK will be booming soon and leaving the EU and their fear of nothing in our dust

[candide]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The super effective and inexpensive AZ vaccine seems to be being attacked by many countries that have spent billions developing their own less effective vaccines.

Can't imagine why...

Please explain us how Denmark, Norway and Iceland have spent billions developing their less effective vaccines.....

[ukrules]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Even Macron was rubbishing it a few weeks ago.

Of course he was, it's very political, there's a very good reason why we haven't heard about a successful French vaccine....

 

 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

I’m not into conspiracies or anti vaxer theories either. Which is why I find all these unsubstantiated claimed against AZ to be suspicious. It strikes me as being political or commercial interests heading this up.

Which vaccine is 100% effective with zero side effects ?

AZ seems to be the best based on empirical evidence but also the most commonly attacked. Weird huh ?

 

Did you even read that link I put up?  It explains it quite well.  No unsubstantiated claims.  Just scientific facts.

[GrandPapillon]

another country suspending AZ ????

not looking good for AZ,

Covid-19: Netherlands suspends use of AstraZeneca vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56397157

The Netherlands has become the latest country to suspend use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine over concerns about possible side effects.

The Dutch government said the move, which will last until at least 29 March, was a precaution.

The Republic of Ireland earlier made a similar decision over reports of blood clotting in recipients in Norway.

But the World Health Organization says there is no indication of a link between the vaccine and blood clots.

The announcements by the Netherlands and Ireland followed similar moves by Denmark, Norway, Bulgaria, Iceland and Thailand.

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) - which is currently carrying out a review into incidents of blood clots - says the vaccine's benefits continue to outweigh its risks.

Edited March 15, 2021 by GrandPapillon

[polpott]

3 hours ago, John Drake said:

What are those countries? Please name those "less effective vaccines." I only know of one "less effective" vaccine, Sinovac. 

Sputnik

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

another country suspending AZ, and this time not one of EU country, so can't blame them for being jealous of the Brits ????

not looking good for AZ,

Covid-19: Netherlands suspends use of AstraZeneca vaccine

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56397157

The Netherlands has become the latest country to suspend use of the Oxford-AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine over concerns about possible side effects.

The Dutch government said the move, which will last until at least 29 March, was a precaution.

The Republic of Ireland earlier made a similar decision over reports of blood clotting in recipients in Norway.

But the World Health Organization says there is no indication of a link between the vaccine and blood clots.

The announcements by the Netherlands and Ireland followed similar moves by Denmark, Norway, Bulgaria, Iceland and Thailand.

The European Medicines Agency (EMA) - which is currently carrying out a review into incidents of blood clots - says the vaccine's benefits continue to outweigh its risks.

Has the Netherlands left the EU now?

[candide]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

Has the Netherlands left the EU now?

I think he meant "not only one".

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1 hour ago, John Drake said:

This is pettifogging. The French vaccines are not in the running. You could say then that the Thai vaccines are in on the conspiracy too, because they are lagging in development. The complaint has been that the Russians and Chinese have been engaged in vaccine warfare by using unwitting and/or witting agents in the West to spread doubt. Yet the doubts about Astra Zeneca came from the Danish, Norwegian, and Icelandic government, which as far as I know, have no vaccine development alternative to push and are not agents of the Kremlin. The fact is that the AZ vaccine has had a series of missteps, sloppy testing and paperwork. And then there is the fact that their vaccine is apparently less effective against the emerging variants than Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J. That is not a conspiracy by "less effective" vaccines as the original poster stated.

Not pettifogging at all. You just asked the wrong question. The person you replied to was positing a motive for attacking the British AZ vaccine. If having a vaccine not as highly rated as Astra  Zeneca's is a motive, then how much more sois it that your nation's pharmaceutical entry in the race actually didn't even qualify? That said, I don't know that envy or any other discreditable emotion is behind the suspension of AZ vaccination in various EU countries.

[7by7]

9 hours ago, polpott said:

Europe is peed with AZ due to them not being promoted to the front of the queue, and started unwarranted claims about the vaccine.

Really?

In which case why did the EU's own EMA say ""There is currently no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions, which are not listed as side effects with this vaccine," the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Thursday.

"The vaccine's benefits continue to outweigh its risks and the vaccine can continue to be administered while investigation of cases of thromboembolic events is ongoing," it added."(Source)

Something said in the OP as well

12 hours ago, webfact said:

European Medicines Agency has said there is no indication that the events were caused by the vaccination, a view that was echoed by the World Health Organisation on Friday.

Those countries who are EU members and have suspended the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are acting independently of the EU and have based their decision on advice by the Norwegian Medicines Agency and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health; Norwegian Medicines Agency notified of blood clots and bleeding in younger people after vaccination with AstraZeneca vaccine.

Norway is not an EU member.

[7by7]

2 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Thank heavens we left the EU. hopefully the UK will be booming soon and leaving the EU and their fear of nothing in our dust

This issue has nothing to do with the EU!

See my post above.

[GrandPapillon]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Has the Netherlands left the EU now?

edited, my mistake, I read New Zealand ???? 

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, polpott said:

The disaster was caused by anti vaxxers spreading fake news. Doctor Andrew Wakefield published his research in the Lancet claiming a link between MMR and autism. Later shown to be based on false data and completely untrue. He was prosecuted and debarred from practicing medicine. However, the damage was done, particularly amongst ethnic minorities. A legacy we are still seeing today with the Covid vaccine. Anti vaxxers and spreaders of fake news can be dangerous and cost many lives.

I was at school with Wakefield. He was a <deleted> and a vicious bully. A couple of years older than me, he broke two teeth with a hockey stick in "cold blood", after I, as full back in my house hockey team, stopped him from scoring a goal.

The PT master stood up and said it was deliberate and deserved punishment - he spoke to my father (a friend) about it - but the headmaster dismissed it as an accident.

Nothing was done - he was very much "the golden boy" of the school, and could do no wrong.

Oh how I chuckled when he fell from grace all those years later.

A nasty piece of work.

Edited March 15, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[RichardColeman]

I wonder if AZ can sue for slander ? 

[polpott]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Really?

In which case why did the EU's own EMA say ""There is currently no indication that vaccination has caused these conditions, which are not listed as side effects with this vaccine," the European Medicines Agency (EMA) said on Thursday.

"The vaccine's benefits continue to outweigh its risks and the vaccine can continue to be administered while investigation of cases of thromboembolic events is ongoing," it added."(Source)

Something said in the OP as well

Those countries who are EU members and have suspended the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine are acting independently of the EU and have based their decision on advice by the Norwegian Medicines Agency and the Norwegian Institute of Public Health; Norwegian Medicines Agency notified of blood clots and bleeding in younger people after vaccination with AstraZeneca vaccine.

Norway is not an EU member.

At no time did I mention the EU. As you say, not every country in Europe is in the EU, the UK is a prime example.

You will pleased to hear that Thailand is restarting the use of the AZ vaccine tomorrow with Prayut and members of the cabinet receiving their shots at a public event. Expect the more backward Europeans (Bulgaria, Ireland, Norway et al) to follow suit soon.

Edited March 15, 2021 by polpott

[billd766]

4 hours ago, candide said:

Please explain us how Denmark, Norway and Iceland have spent billions developing their less effective vaccines.....

I have Googled Please explain us how Denmark, Norway and Iceland have spent billions developing their less effective vaccines.

I can find many sites saying that Denmark, Norway and Iceland have suspended using the AZ vaccine but nothing about those countries developing their own.

I don't think that any of them are in the EU apart from possibly Denmark, so, unless they are buying it from the EU where are they getting it from?

[GrandPapillon]

and now Germany has suspended AZ ????