Uk bans all International travel from Monday 29th March.... Except for.....

[jasonr3255]

Uk government has gone a step further and will make it law unless the reason falls under the list below only. Suspect the Thai embassy will not be offering Certificate of Entry without additional proof. See list

Reasonable excuses to travel from 29 March

• To travel anywhere inside in the common travel area – the UK, Ireland, the Isle of Man and Channel Islands

• To travel for work that cannot be done from the UK

• To carry out voluntary or charitable services that cannot be done from the UK

• To attend a course of study that cannot be done from the UK

• To return to your home country for a vacation between 29 March and 29 April if you’re a foreign student studying in the UK

• To travel for training or competitions if you’re an elite sportsperson

• To fulfil a legal obligation or participate in legal proceedings

• To complete certain aspects of a property purchase

• To seek medical assistance, attend a clinical appointment, avoid illness/injury or to escape a risk of harm

• To attend an expectant mother giving birth at the mother’s request

• To visit a person receiving treatment in a hospital

• To stay in a hospice or care home

• To take someone to a medical appointment under certain circumstances

• To provide care and assistance to a vulnerable person

• To provide emergency assistance to any person

• To visit a friend or family member who is dying

• To attend a funeral

• To get married or attend a wedding/civil partnership ceremony

• To meet family members who live in a different country where a child is involved in various circumstances

• To partake in certain aspects of child adoption

• To vote in an election or a referendum where it’s not possible to vote from the UK

• To leave if you’re in the UK on a temporary basis/are not resident

• If you’re the child/dependent of a person who has a reasonable excuse to travel and no alternative care arrangements can be made

 

[bartender100]

So are they saying up to now you could have travelled? Thought it was already banned

[jasonr3255]

Hammering down on the list me thinks !

[RichardColeman]

Since it unlikely I - and everyone else - cannot get back into Thailand without quarantine silliness until October at the earliest, I think banning all travel until September makes little difference to me - or them.

 

Thing is now though that this is all beginning to really drag on. If nothing and nowhere opens before end of this year and basically we have had 2 years of lockdowns and no clear blue skies ahead, the people will rebel. At some point we just have to take the chance that opening up will save more lives than not opening up - which it probably is already

 

 

[Upnotover]

Can't see that anything has changed, just some reinforcement of the rules.  Simple fact is that is you live in Thailand and are in the UK for a visit you can go home.  If you live in the UK you better stay there unless you fall into one of the other categories for allowed travel.  All they are trying to do is stop people going on holiday, which the airlines and holiday companies are increasingly encouraging people to do, or at least book/pay to do. 

[jasonr3255]

2 hours ago, Upnotover said:

Can't see that anything has changed, just some reinforcement of the rules.  Simple fact is that is you live in Thailand and are in the UK for a visit you can go home.  If you live in the UK you better stay there unless you fall into one of the other categories for allowed travel.  All they are trying to do is stop people going on holiday, which the airlines and holiday companies are increasingly encouraging people to do, or at least book/pay to do. 

I don’t think “Living in Thailand” is an exception itself unless accompanied exclusively by one of the specified “reasonable excuses” on the list hence the new enforcement laws. 

[jackdd]

52 minutes ago, jasonr3255 said:

I don’t think “Living in Thailand” is an exception itself unless accompanied exclusively by one of the specified “reasonable excuses” on the list hence the new enforcement laws. 

"To leave if you’re in the UK on a temporary basis/are not resident"

[Sharp]

Freedom 2.0

[jasonr3255]

7 hours ago, jackdd said:

"To leave if you’re in the UK on a temporary basis/are not resident"

I Think that refers to NOT being a “UK” resident

[jackdd]

Just now, jasonr3255 said:

I Think that refers to NOT being a “UK” resident

 

If you are living in Thailand you are not a UK resident, so you will be allowed to leave the UK.

[Red-Leonard5]

8 hours ago, jasonr3255 said:

I don’t think “Living in Thailand” is an exception itself unless accompanied exclusively by one of the specified “reasonable excuses” on the list hence the new enforcement laws. 

agreed - I actually 'live' in Cambodia but cannot 'prove' it. Hence am stuck in UK. If you haven't got the status, you can't go. Surprised people put up with this still, tbh.

[Sheryl]

9 hours ago, jasonr3255 said:

I don’t think “Living in Thailand” is an exception itself unless accompanied exclusively by one of the specified “reasonable excuses” on the list hence the new enforcement laws. 

 

Would come under "To leave if you’re in the UK on a temporary basis/are not resident "

[NightSky]

1 hour ago, Red-Leonard5 said:

agreed - I actually 'live' in Cambodia but cannot 'prove' it. Hence am stuck in UK. If you haven't got the status, you can't go. Surprised people put up with this still, tbh.

If it’s the UK rules you are concerned about and not Cambodia rules, then Uk residency is based on number of days present in the Uk in any 12 month period and so your proof to show UK officials will be in your passport.

[vinny41]

2 hours ago, jackdd said:

 

If you are living in Thailand you are not a UK resident, so you will be allowed to leave the UK.

Your resident status can easily be checked via NHS records, not on NHS database you are not a UK resident, if you appear on the NHS database then you are a UK resident

[treetops]

13 hours ago, bartender100 said:

So are they saying up to now you could have travelled? Thought it was already banned

 

It was.  This is tidying up the paperwork by passing it into law.

[n00dle]

2 hours ago, jasonr3255 said:

I Think that refers to NOT being a “UK” resident

exactly. many UK citizens are not residents.

[VBF]

2 hours ago, Red-Leonard5 said:

agreed - I actually 'live' in Cambodia but cannot 'prove' it. Hence am stuck in UK. If you haven't got the status, you can't go. Surprised people put up with this still, tbh.

I might be being naïve, but why not just go, fill in whatever form is required and attach your Cambodian visa...or am i missing something?

[mrfill]

Not mentioned so far but if you choose to flaunt the new law, the fine is £5000

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56493002

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Your resident status can easily be checked via NHS records, not on NHS database you are not a UK resident, if you appear on the NHS database then you are a UK resident

Your resident status is sod all to do with the NHS, it is directly related to where you spend your time, if you spend more than 180 days in a country, you are normally classed as a resident of that country. This would be provable by passport stamps.

[vinny41]

5 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Your resident status is sod all to do with the NHS, it is directly related to where you spend your time, if you spend more than 180 days in a country, you are normally classed as a resident of that country. This would be provable by passport stamps.

And for anyone using a fresh passport, no stamps its simple if the police stop you on the way to the airport and they think your breaking the new laws a quick lookup on the NHS database(which the police do have access to) will prove if you are a UK resident or not

[foreverlomsak]

13 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

And for anyone using a fresh passport, no stamps its simple if the police stop you on the way to the airport and they think your breaking the new laws a quick lookup on the NHS database(which the police do have access to) will prove if you are a UK resident or not

In that situation carry your old passport as well and the Immigration database is more accurate on where you have been and for how long, and the police will be able to access that info.

[vinny41]

6 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

In that situation carry your old passport as well and the Immigration database is more accurate on where you have been and for how long, and the police will be able to access that info.

UK Immigration doesn't record entry into the UK for UK nationals, if you are referring to the Thai  Immigration database its unlikely that UK police will have access to that database

[Upnotover]

A lot of nonsense about residency.  The about paragraph states "To leave if you’re in the UK on a temporary basis/are not resident" , I think it is safe to assume the "/" means "or" so if you live in Cambodia, Thailand or anywhere else and are temporarily in the UK you can go home.  I went to the UK after being in Thailand 5 years or so and was still on the NHS register when I needed some hospital treatment on a holiday visit.

[jackdd]

8 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

I went to the UK after being in Thailand 5 years or so and was still on the NHS register when I needed some hospital treatment on a holiday visit.

Congratulations on breaking the law and getting away with it, but not everybody might do this.

[treetops]

32 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Your resident status is sod all to do with the NHS, it is directly related to where you spend your time, if you spend more than 180 days in a country, you are normally classed as a resident of that country. This would be provable by passport stamps.

 

The NHS do indeed have a residency test, as does the DHSS or whatever they're called now.  HMRC introduced a statutory residence test in 2013 too, but all have different requirements.  I don't know how or even if residency is being defined for this travel ban.  It could well need courts to set precedences should anyone ever push it that far.

[brobro2424]

What would be acceptable document to have at a UK airport to show for evidence that you were going to buy a property? Perhaps a deposit receipt? An unsigned contract showing the address?

[unblocktheplanet]

16 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Since it unlikely I - and everyone else - cannot get back into Thailand without quarantine silliness until October at the earliest, I think banning all travel until September makes little difference to me - or them.

 

Thing is now though that this is all beginning to really drag on. If nothing and nowhere opens before end of this year and basically we have had 2 years of lockdowns and no clear blue skies ahead, the people will rebel. At some point we just have to take the chance that opening up will save more lives than not opening up - which it probably is already

1918-1920 was three full years of Spanish flu. People then, except for soldiers, were far less mobile than today's population. Rebel? How exactly? Stomp on your mask? Opening up will not save lives--just the opposite.

[White Tiger]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Your resident status can easily be checked via NHS records, not on NHS database you are not a UK resident, if you appear on the NHS database then you are a UK resident

I am on the NHs database at an address in the UK (my mother's house). They've even written to me telling me about my Covid jab.  I've not lived in the UK for 13 years and in that time have only ever returned for holidays.  I live and work in Thailand. 

[kickstart]

7 hours ago, jasonr3255 said:

I Think that refers to NOT being a “UK” resident

Define not being a resident ,for UK tax purposes I have not been a UK resident for about 15 years now ,but needless to say I have a UK passport which will make me a UK  resident. 

 

Just read about the NHS database ,I think I am still on it ,but a few years  ago I took off ,and had to re-register ,not seen a UK doctor for a good few years, seems a grey area to me . 

[Surelynot]

Seems it would have been easier to say.......'You can travel for any reason other than for a holiday'