10 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

So are your telling me we will still have a choice if you allow the private hospitals to pursue other vaccines right? Or that only the vaccine you decide in principal will be used and produce yourselves is what we will be allowed to obtain. Sorry, but I think I will wait until I have my choice Mr. Anutin.  

Agreed, but there is a reason why the private sector can not yet purchase vaccines.

Thai virologist Dr Yong Poovorawan explaines why.https://www.phnompenhpost.com/international/thai-virologist-breaks-down-why-private-sector-cant-procure-covid-19-vaccines

There is probably a miriad of regulations involved in moving a vaccine from emergency use to general use, so it may well be a long time before those that wish to choose the vaccine they use can do so in Thailand.

 

 

10 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

However, why buy it when they will be producing it in country.

If all goes to plan then the Siam Bioscience Plant will be up and producing by June.

The plant will be expected to produce the 10million doses per Month that the Gov,t have said will be administered throughout the population.

What could possibly go wrong.

55 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

If all goes to plan then the Siam Bioscience Plant will be up and producing by June.

The plant will be expected to produce the 10million doses per Month that the Gov,t have said will be administered throughout the population.

What could possibly go wrong.

Exactly, what could possibly go wrong.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I'm sure they do.

 

They'll have to get in line, because AZ is contracted to honour the UK's contract first.

The uk’s contract is the uk’s issue. 
 

The EU is focussed upon ensuring the EU’s contract is honoured. 

8 hours ago, Proboscis said:

AstraZenica is currently is such demand that supplies are only available through its Indian manufacturer and distributed in Asia through the GAVI/COVAX program.

On again off again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaPCx0U7Go

 

Isn't this all currently at least, that demand is way outstripping supply?

 

Governments have placed huge forward orders for doses, and you only have to look at the brouhaha in Europe, with the EU complaining about AZ not fulfilling their contractual agreements to understand that.

 

So I find it unbelievable that any private hospital chain anywhere in the world, let alone Thailand is going to be at the front of the line to get any vaccine doses from any supplier.

 

Right now this isn't going to be a regular vaccine supply issue like our annual flu shot.

 

National government rollouts, and procurement rule the roost at least until we get through this initial phase

Edited April 6, 20215 yr by GinBoy2

12 hours ago, sungod said:

So 1 in a million 'may' get a blood clot?

 

Will you be stayiong home today incase you get hit by a bus?

 

 

...and what about the risks of refusing to be vaccinated?

OMG so all the vaccine stories have brought grown men to their knees fussing about which jab they'll get. Oh petals, don't worry.

Suspect even the Chinese and Russian vaccines work with very, very few aberrations. And the alternative is.. just stay away from everyone or wear a mask.

2 minutes ago, Donga said:

OMG so all the vaccine stories have brought grown men to their knees fussing about which jab they'll get. Oh petals, don't worry.

Suspect even the Chinese and Russian vaccines work with very, very few aberrations. And the alternative is.. just stay away from everyone or wear a mask.

What? For the rest of one's life stay away from everyone or wear a mask, what planet do you live on. 

3 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

But I certainly will wait for the "green man" at the crossing, so I can minimize the chances of being run over by a bus.

 

Which crossing would this be?  They just keep driving where I am.

1 hour ago, fvw53 said:

...and what about the risks of refusing to be vaccinated?

far higher!

1 hour ago, Donga said:

OMG so all the vaccine stories have brought grown men to their knees fussing about which jab they'll get. Oh petals, don't worry.

Suspect even the Chinese and Russian vaccines work with very, very few aberrations. And the alternative is.. just stay away from everyone or wear a mask.

They all work, maybe some better than others, but they work!

 

I don't know of any country where you have the luxury of choosing which one you get.

Do you get to choose which flu shot you get? Probably not because you have no frikkin idea who made it in the first place!

 

Me and my wife showed up and got Pfizer. 

My daughter, son and ex wife all got Moderna. 

 

Do any of us care which one we got? Hell No, just glad we got it

18 hours ago, rasmus5150 said:

 

And now they are trying to sell their vaccine under a different name  - "Vaxzevria".

But people will still remember all the bad press, no matter what name it changes to.

 

I believe that Thailand can get this vaccine at rock-bottom price, since many European countries ban or put some age-restriction on this vaccine. Anutin doesn't care about the safety - only the price.

One of the reasons why the AZ vaccine has been attacked from all sides is probably the commitment to provide it "at cost" rather than huge profit margins like its competitors.

12 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

The uk’s contract is the uk’s issue. 
 

The EU is focussed upon ensuring the EU’s contract is honoured. 

Lol. The EU making sure their contract is honoured by blocking exports to the UK so they can purloin the AZ vaccines that are being manufactured to fulfill the UK's contract. Then claiming they "don't respect the concept of first come first served". All because they were too cumbersome to place an order in good time.

 

The EU is behaving like an incompetent banana republic. Again.

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Not sure why you say that.  The Russian Sputnik vaccine has proven to be one of the safest and most effective....

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Lol. The EU making sure their contract is honoured by blocking exports to the UK so they can purloin the AZ vaccines that are being manufactured to fulfill the UK's contract. Then claiming they "don't respect the concept of first come first served". All because they were too cumbersome to place an order in good time.

 

The EU is behaving like an incompetent banana republic. Again.

No, the EU is acting in the interests of its members and making sure az manufacturers honour the contract they have with the EU, as the article you posted a link to made clear. 

The manufacturers have an obligation to fulfil the contracts they agree to and the EU is holding them to that. 

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by Bluespunk

45 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No, the EU is acting in the interests of its members and making sure az manufacturers honour the contract they have with the EU, as the article you posted a link to made clear. 

The manufacturers have an obligation to fulfil the contracts they agree to and the EU is holding them to that. 

 

Defending the indefensible.

 

The UK ordered first and the contract states those orders must be fulfilled first. The EU ordered second and now they are embarrassed that they have been outmaneuvered by the UK. AZ said it must honour it's contracts to the UK which is 100% correct. So now the EU has sunk to the level of banning exports so they can purloin the vaccines that were being made for the UK by AZ.

 

AZ will honour the EU contract after the have honoured the UK contract, because the UK ordered first.

 

How would you feel if there was a shortage of food at the shops and you queue for an hour, then just as you reach the counter to buy some bread for your child someone walks into the shop, pushes in front of you in the queue and takes the last loaf of bread. When you complain that you were there first they say "I don't respect the logic of first come first served, and I'm just looking after the interests of my family". That in effect is what the EU is doing. They are acting like a tinpot third world dictatorship. A banana republic. 

 

Dominic Raab was spot on. And you know it.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-eu-vaccine-covid-b1818671.html

 

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Defending the indefensible.

 

The UK ordered first and the contract states those orders must be fulfilled first. The EU ordered second and now they are embarrassed that they have been outmaneuvered by the UK. AZ said it must honour it's contracts to the UK which is 100% correct. So now the EU has sunk to the level of banning exports so they can purloin the vaccines that were being made for the UK by AZ.

 

AZ will honour the EU contract after the have honoured the UK contract, because the UK ordered first.

 

How would you feel if there was a shortage of food at the shops and you queue for an hour, then just as you reach the counter to buy some bread for your child someone walks into the shop, pushes in front of you in the queue and takes the last loaf of bread. When you complain that you were there first they say "I don't respect the logic of first come first served, and I'm just looking after the interests of my family". That in effect is what the EU is doing. They are acting like a tinpot third world dictatorship. A banana republic. 

 

Dominic Raab was spot on. And you know it.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-eu-vaccine-covid-b1818671.html

 

The EU’s contract as nothing to do with the uk’s. 

 

The manufacturers signed both deals. 
 

The EU is holding them to account on their contract. 
 

Just as I would if I had ordered food from a market. 
 

What the uk does is up to the uk.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Defending the indefensible.

 

The UK ordered first and the contract states those orders must be fulfilled first. The EU ordered second and now they are embarrassed that they have been outmaneuvered by the UK. AZ said it must honour it's contracts to the UK which is 100% correct. So now the EU has sunk to the level of banning exports so they can purloin the vaccines that were being made for the UK by AZ.

 

AZ will honour the EU contract after the have honoured the UK contract, because the UK ordered first.

 

How would you feel if there was a shortage of food at the shops and you queue for an hour, then just as you reach the counter to buy some bread for your child someone walks into the shop, pushes in front of you in the queue and takes the last loaf of bread. When you complain that you were there first they say "I don't respect the logic of first come first served, and I'm just looking after the interests of my family". That in effect is what the EU is doing. They are acting like a tinpot third world dictatorship. A banana republic. 

 

Dominic Raab was spot on. And you know it.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dominic-raab-eu-vaccine-covid-b1818671.html

 

Did the EU sign a UK first clause? Actually that was the opposite. Read 13.1 (e) in the contract.

"Her statement repeated the main points of article 13.1 of the EU contract with AstraZeneca, under which the company agreed not to have any contractual obligations that would limit its ability to meet EU commitments."

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-eu-astrazeneca-idUSKBN2BM1PS

 

BTW, the agreement which has been signed early by UK was a UK supply chain agreement. The other contract (the final order) also specifying EU plants was signed after the EU order. So It's UK back in the queue for EU plants (in case the queue argument would have any significance).

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by candide

Looks like more trouble re Thailand's plans to make and use the AstraZeneca vaccine may be coming down the pike, as per the Associated Press

 

Official: EU Agency To Confirm AstraZeneca Blood Clot Link

 

ROME (AP) — A top official at the European Medicines Agency says there’s a causal link between AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine and rare blood clots, but that it’s unclear what the connection is and that the benefits of taking the shot still outweigh the risks of getting COVID-19.

 

Marco Cavaleri, head of health threats and vaccine strategy at the Amsterdam-based agency, told Rome’s Il Messaggero newspaper on Tuesday that the European Union’s medicines regulator is preparing to make a more definitive statement on the topic this week.

 

Asked about Cavaleri’s comments, the EMA press office said its evaluation “has not yet reached a conclusion and the review is currently ongoing.” It said it planned a press conference as soon as the review is finalized, possibly Wednesday or Thursday.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/international/2021/04/07/official-eu-agency-to-confirm-astrazeneca-blood-clot-link/

 

Latest advice from U.K. on az jab. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in-uk-should-be-offered-alternative-covid-vaccine-to-astrazeneca-jab-says-regulator?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by Bluespunk

46 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Looks like more trouble re Thailand's plans to make and use the AstraZeneca vaccine may be coming down the pike, as per the Associated Press

 

Official: EU Agency To Confirm AstraZeneca Blood Clot Link

 

ROME (AP) — A top official at the European Medicines Agency says there’s a causal link between AstraZeneca’s coronavirus vaccine and rare blood clots, but that it’s unclear what the connection is and that the benefits of taking the shot still outweigh the risks of getting COVID-19.

 

Marco Cavaleri, head of health threats and vaccine strategy at the Amsterdam-based agency, told Rome’s Il Messaggero newspaper on Tuesday that the European Union’s medicines regulator is preparing to make a more definitive statement on the topic this week.

 

Asked about Cavaleri’s comments, the EMA press office said its evaluation “has not yet reached a conclusion and the review is currently ongoing.” It said it planned a press conference as soon as the review is finalized, possibly Wednesday or Thursday.

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/international/2021/04/07/official-eu-agency-to-confirm-astrazeneca-blood-clot-link/

 

Yes also been reported on the BBC now. They will stop giving the vaccine to the under 30's in the UK after the review found that 79 people in the UK suffered blood clots after vaccination, 19 of those died.

 

Regards vaccine supplies for the UK I doubt it will affect its plan much as they have plenty of alternatives. However where does this leave Thailand? With the Sinovac they made the decision not to give it to those over 60 years. Will they now follow suit with AZ and not give it to the 30's and under? 

 

In reality they can make up any shortfalls with ordering more Sinovac so shouldn't make too much difference and should not really stall their plans I hope, we need Thailand vaccinated as quickly as possible.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56665517

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by Bkk Brian

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

In reality they can make up any shortfalls with ordering more Sinovac so shouldn't make too much difference and should not really stall their plans I hope, we need Thailand vaccinated as quickly as possible.

 

AFAIK, Thailand's current plan for trying to vaccinate the majority of its population starting mid-year supposedly are largely based on the presumed future supply of their own, locally produced AZ vaccine version.

 

Depending on just what develops from these latest and coming news reports, those could potentially alter what age groups of people the vaccine might be safe for and/or make the local population more hesitant to accept the AZ vaccine.

 

How this all plays out is going to be quite interesting and concerning to see...

 

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes also been reported on the BBC now. They will stop giving the vaccine to the under 30's in the UK after the review found that 79 people in the UK suffered blood clots after vaccination, 19 of those died.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-56665517

 

From your BBC report:

 

"The review prompted the UK government's vaccine advisory group, the JCVI, to recommend that people aged 18 to 29 be offered an alternative vaccine where available."

 

Regarding the current AZ vaccine:

 

What I'm not following with this latest issue re blood clots is... I don't remember blood clots being any identified issue/problem with the AZ vaccine during the original trials that were done with it... leading up to its emergency authorization approval.

 

The other issue is, the BBC article says those cited blood clot cases occurred among the 20 some million doses given in the UK. The article doesn't say whether that kind of incidence of blood clotting problems is above or below what might normally be expected even without any vaccine.

 

If my calculator is right, 79 problem incidences among 20 million doses given works out to a rate of 0.00000395%.

 

 

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

10 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

What I'm not following with this latest issue re blood clots is... I don't remember blood clots being any identified issue/problem with the AZ vaccine during the original trials that were done with it... leading up to its emergency authorization approval.

 

The other issue is, the BBC article says those cited blood clot cases occurred among the 20 some million people in the UK to have received the vaccine. The article doesn't say whether that kind of incidence of blood clotting problems is above or below what might normally be expected even without any vaccine.

 

Regards the trials, they were done in a number of countries including the largest in the US and apparently they did not pick up any blood clot symptoms but that said it is only in a wide roll out of millions that these have been picked up as they are so rare?

 

The other point to note is that the number of people with clots is not from a total of 20 million people but from a total of 20 million doses, so what the ratio is of actual people to that is unknown as we don't know how many people have only had one or two doses? As a consequence it cannot be calculated what might be expected even without vaccine?

 

So all still unclear really.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The other point to note is that the number of people with clots is not from a total of 20 million people but from a total of 20 million doses,

 

Ya, I corrected that mis-statement in my post above... referring to doses given, and not numbers of people to have received the doses.

 

Two weeks ago, AZ submitted the results of its phase III trial involving some 32,000 participants in the US, Peru and Chile. No mention at all of any health issues or risks.

 

https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2021/azd1222-us-phase-iii-primary-analysis-confirms-safety-and-efficacy.html

 

--76% vaccine efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19

--100% efficacy against severe or critical disease and hospitalisation

--85% efficacy against symptomatic COVID-19 in participants aged 65 years and over

 

"The vaccine was well tolerated, and no safety concerns related to the vaccine were identified."

 

❓

 

Edited April 7, 20215 yr by TallGuyJohninBKK

On 4/6/2021 at 6:50 PM, vandeventer said:

On again off again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QaPCx0U7Go

 

Not sure how the video is relevant to the supply which, despite the questions about extremely rare blood clotting that might be involved, still does not affect the extreme shortage of the AstraZenica vaccine and other vaccines in Asia, Africa, India and Europe. I have not tallied up all the vaccinations so far but we are probably looking at well under a billion people vaccinated right now and there are 7.8 billion human beings on the planet. At this rate, we may not get near herd immunity (70%) before 2025, if ever.

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

If my calculator is right, 79 problem incidences among 20 million doses given works out to a rate of 0.00000395%.

 

 

Your calculator is right, but the user isn’t working so well. ???? You forgot to multiply 79/20m by 100 to make it a percentage. 
 

It’s 0.000395% but still such a negligible number that it’s a shame the media furore over this incredibly rare adverse event will encourage vaccine hesitancy and feed into the anti-vax/COVID denial narrative. 

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Latest advice from U.K. on az jab. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/07/under-30s-in-uk-should-be-offered-alternative-covid-vaccine-to-astrazeneca-jab-says-regulator?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Naah, It's not possible. We've been told many times it was just EU countries being jealous of Brexited UK's success! ????