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21 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Why is that very worrying?
is it not mandatory protocol for people to remain in hospital for 2/3  weeks until they are cleared? 

 

It is worrying in the fact that beds are filling up and soon they will be over flowing even in the field hospitals...

2 minutes ago, Kaopad999 said:

Why is that very worrying?
is it not mandatory protocol for people to remain in hospital for 2/3  weeks until they are cleared? 

Because of the beds shortage and the escalating cases?

5 hours ago, ETatBKK said:

Thailand reported 1,543 new COVID-19 infections on Thursday

this is really alarming, hope everyone hears this and understands it ! but what action next ?

 

8,973 people remain in hospital receiving treatment

this is very worrying ????

Apr 01, hospitalised 1,247

Apr 15, hospitalised 8,973

Anyone testing + is hospitalized...in general, up to 50% of infected people are asymptomatic throughout their course, and up to 80% never require hospital treatment (though they're put there). So you can knock off 80% those numbers...not so scary now.

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The fun starts after lights out.

 

 

I read that they don't turn the lights off at night, & advise prisoners to bring eye masks.

8 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Anyone testing + is hospitalized...in general, up to 50% of infected people are asymptomatic throughout their course

 

But that doesn't mean that they won't suffer health problems from the infection (asymptomatic people can) nor does it mean they can't infect others (asymptomatic people can).

 

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

But that doesn't mean that they won't suffer health problems from the infection (asymptomatic people can) nor does it mean they can't infect others (asymptomatic people can).

 

Yes so they should quarantine at home if practical or at government quarantine centers during their period of infection. People suffer long term effects from many medical conditions and diseases...nothing unique to Covid.

72,000 new infections in the US...200,000 in India; let's try to keep things in perspective. 

26 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

It is worrying in the fact that beds are filling up and soon they will be over flowing even in the field hospitals...

Oh, okay that makes sense then. 

7 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

People suffer long term effects from many medical conditions and diseases...nothing unique to Covid.

 

Except things like heart disease and cancer aren't contagious, but COVID is.... And thus...

 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

 

And flu and pneumonia combined for the year were down under 54,000.

 

The above shows you what can happen when people deny and downplay the virus and the harm it can do.

 

Let's not have Thailand go down the same sorry road.

 

 

 

"Here is the first look at the new color-coded map of #Thailand. The proposal is to have 18 provinces designated as the highest control areas (red zones). What that means should be known after the meeting tomorrow.

18 “red” provinces:

1. Bangkok

2. Chiang Mai

3. Chonburi

4. Samut Prakan

5. Prachuap Khiri Kan

6. Samut Sakhon

7. Pathum Thani

8. Nakhon Pathom

9. Phuket

10. Nakhon Ratchasima

11. Nonthaburi

12. Songkhla

13. Tak

14. Udon Thani

15. Suphanburi

16. Sa Kaeo

17. Rayong

18. Khon Kaen

 

https://www.facebook.com/richardbarrowthailand/posts/3134233568106

 

Covid spreads to every province of Thailand

 

The Covid-19 outbreak has now spread throughout Thailand after Yala in the far South reported two cases on Thursday.

 

Infections have now been found in all 76 provinces following the latest wave, which spread from entertainment venues in Bangkok.

 

Driven by the super-contagious UK variant of the virus, the outbreak is spreading at an unprecedented rate through Thailand.

 

https://www.facebook.com/NationNews/posts/10157915600056937

 

 

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

"Here is the first look at the new color-coded map of #Thailand. The proposal is to have 18 provinces designated as the highest control areas (red zones). What that means should be known after the meeting tomorrow.

18 “red” provinces:

1. Bangkok

2. Chiang Mai

3. Chonburi

4. Samut Prakan

5. Prachuap Khiri Kan

6. Samut Sakhon

7. Pathum Thani

8. Nakhon Pathom

9. Phuket

10. Nakhon Ratchasima

11. Nonthaburi

12. Songkhla

13. Tak

14. Udon Thani

15. Suphanburi

16. Sa Kaeo

17. Rayong

18. Khon Kaen

 

https://www.facebook.com/richardbarrowthailand/posts/3134233568106

 

And the list will probably grow and why the CCSA was waiting until tomorrow to decide on lockdowns as it will give folks time to escape and return home.  Even if they did decide to lockdown things I am sure it wont go into effect until Monday night, have to let everyone return home and ensure there are enough beds in the field hospitals to house all.

53 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said:

A steal

Bangkok Samui 5,500 baht. Next day results.

This time last year Bangkok Samui where advertising tests for 20000B. 
must be having a 3rd wave sale. 

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Covid spreads to every province of Thailand

 

The Covid-19 outbreak has now spread throughout Thailand after Yala in the far South reported two cases on Thursday.

 

Infections have now been found in all 76 provinces following the latest wave, which spread from entertainment venues in Bangkok.

 

Driven by the super-contagious UK variant of the virus, the outbreak is spreading at an unprecedented rate through Thailand.

 

https://www.facebook.com/NationNews/posts/10157915600056937

 

 

Well now Thailand can honestly say they allowed free travel (of the virus) over the Songkran Holidays.  Nothing like being an equal opportunity enabler now is it.  Well done Government House, you had a chance but miss the boat called Songkran and let it sail through the country distributing the Covid virus as it sailed.

2 hours ago, John Drake said:

What happens if you put people in these field hospitals with bunks laying next to each other and you mix together several Covid variants? Serious question. Should the several variants be isolated from each other?

That's the strategy of locally produced variants! ????

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Well now Thailand can honestly say they allowed free travel (of the virus) over the Songkran Holidays.  Nothing like being an equal opportunity enabler now is it.  Well done Government House, you had a chance but miss the boat called Songkran and let it sail through the country distributing the Covid virus as it sailed.

Just absolute insanity to choose the short term revenue from the holiday over what will end up completely decimating the economy for an extremely long time.

 

This is it. Now that it's spread throughout the entire country, there's no way of preventing continuous outbreaks in perpetuity. They killed any chance of tourism returning

6 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

Just absolute insanity to choose the short term revenue from the holiday over what will end up completely decimating the economy for an extremely long time.

 

This is it. Now that it's spread throughout the entire country, there's no way of preventing continuous outbreaks in perpetuity. They killed any chance of tourism returning

No tourism is still alive and making waves, well the tourist is called "Covid" and it has entered and moved around freely spending everyone else's money and ensuring it can travel as it wants....

3 hours ago, rabas said:

An better measure would be, how many of yesterday's 1543 cases were asymptomatic when tested?

 

I don't know but likely quite a few.  Thailand (not Prayut) has multiple established procedures to find such cases including extensive tracing, recommendations for people who may have been exposed,  two software tracking systems, proactive testing, and surge testing after outbreaks.

 

Since roughly half of the spreaders may be asymptomatic, and 30% may never get symptoms, all counties face these same issues.

Yes, all countries face the problem of asymptomatic spread, hence the UK has moved to offering free cross lateral flow tests to every person, twice a week, if they so wish to do. Test high to find those asymptomatic cases because they are not going to be picked up by just testing those with symptoms, and maybe just a few if limited to high risk contact.

One of the big problems and it happened to ThailandRyan's GF (and thankfully she was negative) and that is from the time of the test to the time of the result is too long, it needs to be an instant result not waiting until the next day to find that you are positive. There are a few places with the instant result but no where near enough to cover the whole country. A person who is positive goes and has the test then leaves and mingles with other people while they are waiting for the result the next day. How many other people has that person infected while waiting and roaming free? It is only after the result of a positive test that the person is isolated. 

2 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

I really dont think the posters on here have been desperate for C19  to get out of control in the Country, and are certainly not happy.

Most, if not all, have a genuine concern for the welfare, and wellbeing of the Thai people, and this has been shown in some frustrated way through the various postings. Most of which are firmly aimed at the people who should be doing something to help the Nation, but do not seem to be able to function under the pressure.

I agree with what you say, no one of sane morals would wish this disease on anyone. When I talk to my girlfriend in Thailand, she thinks I'm just "yakking" her about it. I've said many times it's more aimed at those in charge who should be making the right decisions and it is out of concern for the Thai population. Explained I'm speaking from experience living the UK, we've been through it and can see the devastating effects on people with the loss of life, economy and mental health issues. Half the time I get the Thainess insular response of changing the subject ????.

A post with unsourced/unsubstantiated COVID claims has been removed, along with a trolling post.

 

today 778 vax vials were given in the whole country.

Rather than testing, they should concentrate on vaxing

Complete lockdown coming next wk. No flights, no buses, no trains, no inter-provincial travel and a booze ban. I'm calling it but let's hope I'm wrong.

The cumulative test results would  obviously be post sample taking date so it can be safely assumed  many potentially infected people associated with will could already also become  distributors across the entire  geographical region of Thailand.

Given the indicators of an identified significant cluster and yet openly in one moment  encouraging interprovincial travel for Songkran and in the event of that then in  the next moment  encouraging by suggestion a delay in a return from such an exodus gives rise  to some speculative  questions !

Was this purely due to some ill-advised attempt to keep the population happy or is it due to an extreme callous manipulative social health experiment ?

Personally I am unable to conclude stupidity reigned after  12 months of previous apparent success in minimizing a community "pandemic" within Thailand's borders.

 

 

6 hours ago, rabas said:

The paper is very far from being applicable here and now.

 

The paper's subject is modelling, not a reliable measurement. They model the very early period with minimal testing when little was known about the virus or spreading. It's a model for when you don't know, based on travel statistics. It was not expected to be accurate. From the authors:

 

"We would like to be very upfront that the estimation strategies outlined above are dependent on strong assumptions and reliable data on travel patterns, and that any results are very sensitive to these assumptions." Emphasis the authors.

 

If you want a measure of unreported cases, you need a recent comparison with a county with low cases where  testing and monitoring procedures similar to Thailand's are already in place.

 

Wow you're good! It wasn't meant to be accurate it was meant to show just how wrong reported cases can be. Trying to find a paper that reflects Thailands position is a ridiculous ask

35 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

Wow you're good! It wasn't meant to be accurate it was meant to show just how wrong reported cases can be. Trying to find a paper that reflects Thailands position is a ridiculous ask

OK, for worst case you did chose well.

 

We could also just  bargain.  How about 3X more cases, not counting ministers?

 

8 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

Each case would have to be looked at closely.

 

Lets say a man with covid dies in a car accident. We would both say he died due to the accident and not covid. But say he makes it to the hospital and dies 5 days later. Did he die from the injuries of the car accident? Would he have died if his body wasn't weakened by covid. The same goes for people that have a major health problem. Did they die due to the health problem or would they have lived many more years if they had not contacted the virus also. Why did they die now?

 

Someone famous just died, I can't remember his name, but he had covid. His family said he didn't die from covid because the death certificate said he died of pneumonia. Which begs the question?

Suppose covid weakened his body/health causing the accident, did he die from................................... ?

Just now, Albert Zweistein said:

Suppose covid weakened his body/health causing the accident, did he die from................................... ?

Suppose he told his girlfriend that he'd caught Covid from another girl, she kicked him in the nuts, he staggered backwards and fell off the balcony? 100% Covid related.

 

Suppose he read too many Covid conspiracy stories on TV, became suicidal and threw himself off the balcony? 100% Covid related, I'd say.

 

More to follow........

 

 

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Complete lockdown coming next wk. No flights, no buses, no trains, no inter-provincial travel and a booze ban. I'm calling it but let's hope I'm wrong.

 

 

Please no booze ban, this forum will turn ballistic.