4 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

It maybe. Alot of people here are asymptomatic. If the right 50% are vaccinated first. 

Somchai in Nakorn nowhere doesn't need to be vaccinated first.

Asymptomatic people can still infect others.

47 minutes ago, essex boys said:

I’m living in France but from the UK originally, the vaccine rollout here has been painfully slow, I’m getting my first jab (Astra Zeneca) on Friday at the local nurses office, the problem here is supply, they get maybe enough to do 40 people then wait for another batch to arrive, if France are struggling with it god knows how Thailand are going to cope, looks like Thai airways will be extending my ticket validation again...if they don’t go bust before I get to use it...

France threw it's toys out of the pram over AZ, many unnecessarry deaths are the result.

 

2 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Nope, vaccinated people are getting the virus and going to the hospital including the ICU.

Nope.  Not true.  If you get the better jabs, you won't go to the ICU.  Maybe the hospital, but not the ICU...and die.

8 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

8 hours ago, crazykopite said:

The Chinese vaccine is only 50.4% effective compered to vaccines such as AZ. The Thai government once again waiting good money on useless Chinese products all because  of friendship or is there more to it 1st we had the purchase of rusty old submarines 2nd the ordering of high speed trains and god knows what else and now the useless vaccines and buy the way they have only procured the vaccines that doesn’t mean they have been delivered . My Thai GF who is holed up in a red zone has now applied 3 times to get a vaccine but cannot because the province has run out , the Thai authorities have had over a year to get this sorted and have failed miserably maybe it’s because they thought that We were all immune to Covid so no need to waste money . ☹️

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But it's almost 100% effective at keeping you out of the ICU.

No, it's 50.4% effective at keeping you out of the ICU.

9 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Doses for less than half the population is not enough to cope with the pandemic, anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

 

Surely that is enough. If half are vaccinated and the vaccine works, then the half that have not been vaccinated cannot pass it on......or are we getting vaccinated for the sake of it and because MSM tells us we have to?

8 hours ago, Fromas said:

The government should let doctors and epidemiologists take center stage.

They are too arrogant for that to happen.

There are hidden reasons why this is all taking so long.  It has been published that the laboratories concerned with the home made vaccin are owned by prominent people. Are the powers that be waiting for the start of production, or does the government not have enough money to pay for them, there’s a reason somewhere ? Search and thou shalt find. 

23 minutes ago, geisha said:

There are hidden reasons why this is all taking so long.  It has been published that the laboratories concerned with the home made vaccin are owned by prominent people. Are the powers that be waiting for the start of production, or does the government not have enough money to pay for them, there’s a reason somewhere ? Search and thou shalt find. 

Think about it this way.  AZ and the rest of the philosophical vaccine manufacturers stated that this first round will be produced and sold "at cost" for the benefit of humanity.
So - for this round of Covid there is no profit motive.

The PTB have pretty much stated that humanity will need Covid vaccinations twice a year forever - so in the future? 
Cha-Ching!  ????

I am no expert but 61 million doses is less than half of what's needed.
The PM is obviously not an expert as well.

What will happen is we will see deadly mutations of the virus taking advantage of the half hearted attack on it (that's what viruses do when they replicate), same as when you corner a rat, it will bite you.

14 hours ago, webfact said:

317,000 doses of the Sinovac vaccine from China were received in February, 800,000 doses in March and a million doses in April, with another batch of a million doses scheduled for delivery in May.

and in total they will have 2,117,000 useless vaccines (estimated efficiency at +/_ 50.7%  ????????????)  from their Chinese big brothers all in the name of "brown" envelopes cooperation, what a bunch of ignorant government people  555

10 hours ago, Fromas said:

The government should let doctors and epidemiologists take center stage.

what ??? you want the government to give away control, this is Thailand, it will never happen

7 hours ago, internationalism said:

the 61mln is the previous figure, based on 59mln AZ and 2mln sinovac.

Since then the government wants private hospitals to import 10mln.

For the last few days the government is in talks for import of up to 10mln pfizer.

 

That would be 81mln.

Unless they really think, that the locally made AZ will be a flop, barged with quality issues and delays.

 

Still, good try to safe face

They start ordering now. At the bottom of many long waiting delivery lists. 

This stupid guys should have ordered many months ago. 

Unless they pay real high price for the vaccines they will have to wait long long time. 

Also with less than 2000 new cases a day. Not one pharma Co will say you in urgent need of vaccines compared with most of the rest of the world. 

Maybe their Chinese friends will help but it's the worst vaccine of any on the market. Thousands got infected in Turkey and Chilly after getting the jab. 

2 hours ago, saintbangkok said:

Surely that is enough. If half are vaccinated and the vaccine works, then the half that have not been vaccinated cannot pass it on......or are we getting vaccinated for the sake of it and because MSM tells us we have to?

WHO and special covid centers all say. Need over 70% vaccinated or it won't come under control. Less than 50% never enough 

2 minutes ago, ericdiam said:

WHO and special covid centers all say. Need over 70% vaccinated or it won't come under control. Less than 50% never enough 

in Thailand they are not good with calculators (they use the ones made in China lol) and/or numbers, for them 50 = 70 same same, good enough

4 hours ago, edwinchester said:

Asymptomatic people can still infect others.

Indeed but with 50 percent asymptomatic and enough vaccines for 50 % then a simple test for anitbodies can eliminate you from the the first phase of vaccines and you can vaccinate the ones you haven't had it yet.

Vaccines won't fix the Pandora's box YOU opened, Too.

3 hours ago, Sametboy2019 said:

Indeed but with 50 percent asymptomatic and enough vaccines for 50 % then a simple test for anitbodies can eliminate you from the the first phase of vaccines and you can vaccinate the ones you haven't had it yet.

You honestly believe the Govt will be testing the  whole population for covid-19 antibidies?

Well they have had over a year to plan for this and they still haven't received

Anything near of what they need 

Poor planning I would say

 

 

8 hours ago, saintbangkok said:

Surely that is enough. If half are vaccinated and the vaccine works, then the half that have not been vaccinated cannot pass it on......or are we getting vaccinated for the sake of it and because MSM tells us we have to?

"... then the half that have not been vaccinated cannot pass it on..."

 

That makes no sense at all.

 

 

I'm sorry but that's not enough for herd immunity at all.  You need 2 doses, not one.  They say that it's 80-90 percent vaccination rate to get herd immunity.

I mean really, the chances of these people opening up before 2023 is looking very much in doubt too.

25 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

I mean really, the chances of these people opening up before 2023 is looking very much in doubt too.

 

I'm not convinced they really want to open up to anyone but the wealthy + the Chinese.

15 hours ago, Chicken George said:

Other countries are already looking at a third booster jab at the end of 2021. UK for one. This is to cover for any mutated strains. Has Thailand put orders in for this. Indeed will their AZ vaccine which they plan to make here even be given the OK when tested? I thought originally it was said it would take a while to he given the OK when first made here.m

In the U.S. we're getting a small CDC paper card with the vaccine brand/lot numbers (?)/dates on it.  There are 2 additional lines that say "other".  Word on the street is not to laminate the card in plastic in case boosters are required. Some office supply stores are offering free lamination.  No thanks.

 

I got the jabs because I'm 67 and have emphysema.  I don't need a severe case of this <deleted>.   A 2% average death rate is one thing, but look at rates for elderly/compromised folks.  Here are some rate ratios to scare you:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/investigations-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

 

26 minutes ago, Maha Sarakham said:

 

I'm not convinced they really want to open up to anyone but the wealthy + the Chinese.

We only want the filthy rich and millions of zero Baht Chinese tourists.  They are like oil and water and won't mix - social distancing.  Hey, "Visit Thailand and see China at a a distance".  In a traffic jam.

16 hours ago, J Town said:

No, it's 50.4% effective at keeping you out of the ICU.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648

 

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But Butantan stressed that the vaccine is 78% effective in preventing mild cases that needed treatment and 100% effective in staving off moderate to serious cases.

 

Last month Turkish researchers said the Sinovac vaccine was 91.25% effective, while Indonesia, which rolled out its mass vaccination programme on Wednesday, said it was 65.3% effective. Both were interim results from late-stage trials.

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, edwinchester said:

You honestly believe the Govt will be testing the  whole population for covid-19 antibidies?

No it was just a solution to vaccine shortages. 

 

Would you book a holiday to a Leper colony? Without an immediate vaccine roll out ,Thailand could become a no go zone

On 4/20/2021 at 7:15 PM, brommers said:

How long can he keep up this pretence. We hear waffle about achieving herd immunity but because of the variants this unproven conept now is deemed to require 80% coverage of the population and yet he is shooting for 50%. What he thinks is enough is irrelevant, the Thai tourism industry will only start to recover when foriegn governments allow their citizens to travel here and when those self same citizens feel it is safe to come here. And with such a low level of vaccination Thailand will not get onto travel listings that indicate this country is a safe destination.

That is not really accurate; herd immunity comes in around 60-65%, not 80.  Certainly they will need much more than 50%.

Fauchi  "who is now more a celebrity than a scientist" originally cited 60% but then magically changed his opinion to 80-85% "due to public opinion", which again is not "scientific". Who's pushing the doom and gloom, the media of course, based solely on speculation. One good thing about his opinions, is if you wait a day or two, his opinion will change. He's done more speculation, vs. waiting for studies, and almost always is wrong, but he's a media darling now, so little or no memory of his past history of incorrect speculation in the past 15 months.

 

Most travelers will have had their vaccinations before coming,  and infection rate is extremely low for fully vaccinated people; "about .5%"  https://www.cnn.com/2021/04/21/health/two-breakthrough-infections-covid-19/index.html

 

I know the media likes to hype that the current vaccines are not very effective, based on little or no real facts; however their job "as they see it" is to get as much mileage as possible out of any disaster.

The proposition in the headline is totally indefensible.

On 4/22/2021 at 5:55 AM, Trvlr55 said:

That is not really accurate; herd immunity comes in around 60-65%, not 80.  Certainly they will need much more than 50%.

Fauchi  "who is now more a celebrity than a scientist" originally cited 60% but then magically changed his opinion to 80-85% "due to public opinion", which again is not "scientific". 

Nope. 

 

Dr. Fauci raised his estimate based on newly emerged and more infectious variants. His estimates are based on science. 

 

Dr. Fauci has been consistently correct in predicting the future course of the epidemic, and one of the world's leading authorities on infectious diseases. 

 

On the other hand, your sources are idiots who are lying to you. 

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