Thailand starts stricter COVID-19 shutdown, but experts say not enough

[mtls2005]

On 4/27/2021 at 7:53 AM, realfunster said:

However, there was a flight by RTAF to pick up Embassy staff from Delhi.

I hope they strictly follow the quarantine process....

 

The topic of "charter flights from India" did come up at a recent CCSA briefing, where we were told that there are no, nor have there been any such flights (these rumors were bubbling). 

 

Further we were told that only Thais re-patriating can return back to Thailand from UIndia, and that yes, they will be subject to a 14 day quarantine.

 

I suspect special people, evacuated on a special aircraft (Prestige, not sure if this is the one with the gold toilets?) may get special treatment? Maybe home quarantine?

 

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by mtls2005

[bluesofa]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The Thai embassy in New Delhi said in a statement that certificates of entry for non-Thai nationals travelling from India will be suspended until further notice.

I wonder if that will include diplomats and military attaches, as well as plebs?

Wasn't that the source of the Rayong cluster-flock last year?

 

Edited April 28, 2021 by bluesofa
grammar

[Jumbo1968]

Richard Barrow said yesterday the CCSA were meeting on Thursday to reintroduce the 14 day quarantine for everyone entering Thailand.  If this is true I can’t see why as this spike was caused by Thais and not imported by foreigners.

[tomazbodner]

5 hours ago, Excel said:

Hope that is not too late to stop the Indians coming here with their virus mutation. Note that they denied the arrival of charter flights but since when do the fabulously rich and well connected charter flights to come to Thailand when they all have their private jets. I'm sure though that the flying sleuths could identify exactly which planes arrived in Thailand in the last week from India on Flightradar24.

Just  looking at Sky News and if that Indian mutation has got here already then it will make the latest outbreaks in Bangkok look like a drop in the ocean. Absolutely terrible situation there.

Spoke to colleague in India. He's saying north of the country is mostly UK strain, however in the south of India they are having a major outbreak of South African mutation. Knowing AZ vaccines were pretty much ineffective towards it, this could be the reason for such a horrific situation they are facing. Yet, Phuket would like to welcome tourists without quarantine if they were vaccinated. That's very daring. Actually, "daring" could be replaced by a number of words... none of them having a positive meaning.

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, AdamXXX said:

If only we could see any scientifc data that prove that lockdowns work. My research has not come up with any thing that proves lockdowns make any diffrence to mortality rates.

Empirically proven for the deniers. 

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, AdamXXX said:

If only we could see any scientifc data that prove that lockdowns work. My research has not come up with any thing that proves lockdowns make any diffrence to mortality rates.

If you stick with the better sites, you'll see the data.  Go with the conspiracy theory sites and you'll not find anything.

[Golden Triangle]

10 minutes ago, AdamXXX said:

 

Please provide a definition of 'better". 

 

Here is mine

 

" Those sites that do not derive direct funding from associates of the principle benificiries of the the money trail behind the narrative, or from advertising revenue generated by promoting the narative created by the principle benificiries "

 

 

Certainly, Imperial College data should be part of the mix—but please bear in mind who funds them. (Hint initials BGF)

 

For balance, here are a list of 127 studies that show lockdowns have no effect

 

https://principia-scientific.com/so-far-27-studies-prove-lockdowns-have-little-to-no-effect/

 

Please dont take this as personal slight, all Im asking for is consideration of other sources of data, particularly those that are not part of the money trail from promoting vacines.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again, if you don't go out you can't get infected, what part of that don't you understand ??? If you do go out, shopping or paying a bill that can only be paid in 7/11 or the provider's office, double mask, where a face shield and lashings of hand gel/ washing. If more people did that it would slow the contagion significantly.

[The Hammer2021]

On 4/26/2021 at 5:18 PM, Antiparovian said:

Am puzzled as to the relevance of a photo of an Irish Pub.

It's closed...it used to be open...Its in Bangkok

[rabas]

11 hours ago, Jumbo1968 said:

Richard Barrow said yesterday the CCSA were meeting on Thursday to reintroduce the 14 day quarantine for everyone entering Thailand.  If this is true I can’t see why as this spike was caused by Thais and not imported by foreigners.

 

About 10 days ago, they discovered the deadly Brazil P.1 variant in a traveller from France who became ill on day 6 of ASQ. The Brazil strain is the last thing they need while fighting the UK variant.  They likely realized dropping quarantine to 10 or even 7 days was a bit foolish.

 

[Scott]

Inflammatory post and replies removed.  Keep it civil and on topic, please.

 

[The Hammer2021]

On 4/26/2021 at 6:37 PM, Fromas said:

the caption says Sukhumvit Road!

Yes. It's a well know Irish pub on Sukhumvit Rd!!..In Bangkok...In Thailand..One of many Irish pubs in Bangkok and Pattaya  for that  matter.

[The Hammer2021]

8 minutes ago, AdamXXX said:

 

Im not trying to score points, Im not trying to be original, Im trying to ask people to consider all the people affected by the reaction to C19, because I dont belive this discussion is taking place-for a varety of reasons.

Im not trying to attack anyone-if you want to lock yourelf up, if you want to wear masks, if you want to take gene threpy, if you want to listen exclusively to Imperial College and Fauci, more power to you.

If you think this discussion is already taking place, then ok-there is no need to be agressive, and you should just ignore me.

 

Im not looking to change minds, but instead, organise similar minds in a effective way to provide an scientific ways to deal with C19 that take into account everyone that get hurt by the current C19 response

I'd prefer to listen to Imperial College than you and do not require  your permission to do so. Given the amount of time and text you you dedicate to your iterations I suggest  you are trying to change minds but you are in fact just  re ploughing old furrows. Nothing you reference wasn't being discussed  last year by government departments and media outlets. Their was concensus about the current approach which anyway is under  consideration and constant review..

[impulse]

Bottom line is that they can't lock down tight enough to prevent whatever's going to happen.  They can keep all the cashed up tourists from flying in, but they can't keep the destitute Laotians, Burmese and Cambodians from streaming across and back.  They can shut down the bars, restaurants and shopping malls, putting millions out of work.  But they can't shut down the daily and wet markets, lest the residents starve to death.

 

No matter what they have done, or will do- the only way out of this mess is massive vaccination program, and even that my not work if there's more mutations.  At the rate that's happening, I'm forecasting a lot more heartache for the Thai people.  With foreigners just along for the ride.

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.  

 

[Stormfish]

Shopping malls and markets should be closed until further notice.

Public transport such as trains should be available for key workers only.

If you can't work from home,tough.

None essential stores should cease trading till further notice.

None essential travel implicated.

1 person person per family only,to use supermarket for essential goods.

If these restrictions seem unreasonable to anyone,tell me again when the death toll is over 100,000

[englishoak]

 

1 hour ago, pookondee said:

 

If you considered an infection rate of 10% in some places (other than India) 

that means a massive 90% of people are locked up, no lives, no jobs,

threat of depression, mental illness, suicide,

cant travel

cant visit loved ones...

on and on 

 

seems very unfair to me

 

 

Wont matter to most here, those who have pensions and arnt affected in the way most functioning families will be or are. 

 

Be interesting to see how these same expats begging for lockdowns would react if their financial cushion was  ripped away or suspended  like so many working  around the world have had happen....ill wager they wouldnt be so sanctimonious or comfy about things then. 

 

Lockdowns might be ok in a country like Germany with full or almost full financial support from the gov for years yet still lockdowns havnt worked. All it does is delay and reemerge. 

 

In Thailand its different and things would quickly become  be very bad for those living one payday to the other also for the huge swath of  population that are  self employed/casual employed. Cant close markets in the boonies either for many get their food there daily or stop the farmers farming or pause farm  production like a factory, many are dependent on migrant workers that simply cant afford to stop working etc or they will just leave. Many issues the west doesnt have to consider but Thailand does.

 

Unless the Thai gov is prepared to pick up a wages furlong  tab similar to something the west is embracing its hard to see how any meaningful lockdown for even a short time could be tried let alone expected to be adhered to. 

 

We shall see. 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

3 hours ago, pookondee said:

 

If you considered an infection rate of 10% in some places (other than India) 

that means a massive 90% of people are locked up, no lives, no jobs,

threat of depression, mental illness, suicide,

cant travel

cant visit loved ones...

on and on 

 

seems very unfair to me

People still get out and about during lockdowns.  I've been through 2 so far and we were still able to go to Makro, the beach, fresh market.  People were working, had jobs, etc.  Not sure what you're on about....but it's wrong.  Sure, many are suffering.  But they'd suffer more if we didn't lock down.  Don't forget about the mental health of those who've lost loved ones.  As you may know, death of a close relative is the most stressful thing that can happen to an individual.

[InevitableCost]

Ya just keep being locked down forever. Man the average IQ has really went downhill. Cant believe people still comply with these orders. 

[rabang]

10 hours ago, InevitableCost said:

Ya just keep being locked down forever. Man the average IQ has really went downhill. Cant believe people still comply with these orders. 

The hardest lockdown countries are among the most hard hit countries in the world in terms of infections and deaths, yet people still think they work and even ask for more. Now this site is even advocating suppression tactics to those who disagree. It is frightening. Many people would rather hide under a rock to extend their death instead of living.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, rabang said:

The hardest lockdown countries are among the most hard hit countries in the world in terms of infections and deaths, yet people still think they work and even ask for more. Now this site is even advocating suppression tactics to those who disagree. It is frightening. Many people would rather hide under a rock to extend their death instead of living.

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan?

Edited April 29, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[rabang]

16 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan?

Hint. Those countries have one thing in common. Besides Taiwan didn't have a lockdown as far as I know.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, rabang said:

Hint. Those countries have one thing in common. Besides Taiwan didn't have a lockdown as far as I know.

You made a claim and I countered it.

 

What actual difference does being an island make? If a lockdown works it works, whether its a small village in the country, a town, a city, a nation, an Island

[rabang]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You made a claim and I countered it.

 

What actual difference does being an island make? If a lockdown works it works, whether its a small village in the country, a town, a city, a nation, an Island

Many more examples show they don't work as well. If they "work" only in a couple of island nations that have strict border policies there must be something more needed.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, rabang said:

Many more examples show they don't work as well. If they "work" only in a couple of island nations that have strict border policies there must be something more needed.

They seem to have worked very well in all the countries I've looked at in charts and corresponding falls in cases. Each and everyone.

[rabang]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They seem to have worked very well in all the countries I've looked at in charts and corresponding falls in cases. Each and everyone.

I wish it was so simple so I could accept them easier:

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/18/peru-has-toughest-lockdown-world-still-ended-worst-fatality/

Edited April 29, 2021 by rabang

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, rabang said:

I wish it was so simple:

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/18/peru-has-toughest-lockdown-world-still-ended-worst-fatality/

Please there's already dozens of credible peer reviewed studies to prove they work, aside from basic commonsense

[brewsterbudgen]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Please there's already dozens of credible peer reviewed studies to prove they work, aside from basic commonsense

Maybe, but as it seems highly unlikely that Thailand will be going into anything like a full lockdown, we'll have to hope we come out of this "wave" relatively unscathed.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Maybe, but as it seems highly unlikely that Thailand will be going into anything like a full lockdown, we'll have to hope we come out of this "wave" relatively unscathed.

I think you'r right, if there was going to be a full on lockdown it would have happened by now. With numbers stabilizing/decreasing we have to keep our fingers crossed and hope it will all be ok.

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, rabang said:

The hardest lockdown countries are among the most hard hit countries in the world in terms of infections and deaths, yet people still think they work and even ask for more. Now this site is even advocating suppression tactics to those who disagree. It is frightening. Many people would rather hide under a rock to extend their death instead of living.

Reality is the opposite of your perception.

 

Brazil and India have no national lockdown. The US never had a national lockdown. Those are the top 3 countries in terms of deaths and cases.
 

 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, rabang said:

I wish it was so simple so I could accept them easier:

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-do-california-and-florida-have-similar-covid-19-case-rates-the-answer-is-complicated

 

California has the lowest infection rate in the US. Lower than any major country, as well, excepting the quarantined countries such as Australia.

 

Florida’s infection rate is many times that of California.

 

Your opinion is the opposite of reality.