Significant progress reported in AstraZeneca vaccine production in Thailand

[Rookiescot]

2 minutes ago, nchuckle said:

The comparative risk of NOT taking AZ vaccine which has had minimal incidents of blood clot vs not taking one and risking Covid infection while you wait for another one you think has slightly less risk 

 

You have misunderstood. 

[sandyf]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

 

Hardly anybody wants the sinovac due to its poor efficacy.

Bit of an arbitrary statement, do you really know what it means?

The results may should that 50 out of a hundred did not get a good level of protection, but what you don't know is that the same 50 may have had exactly the same response from any other vaccine. It is all based on probability and any individual cannot know if they will get better immunity from one vaccine or another.

My nephew and his wife were both diagnosed with covid yesterday, both in mid 30's and both got their second AZ jab for a few weeks ago, have to wait and see how ill they get. Looks like she got it and passed it on to him.

[Toby1947]

8 hours ago, ryane66 said:

EU is sueing AstraZenaca for missed deliveries, 75% short. They gave up with AZ and just signed a deal with Pfizer for 1.8 billion doses.

Totally wrong AZ gave up on the EU, now EU crying to other companies who will not deal with them. 

[newnative]

47 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

Actually, in West Virginia of your home country, the government is paying residents $100 to have the vaccine.

     Young residents age 16-35--apparently one of the most difficult groups to convince to get the vaccine.  $100 savings bond.  Somebody's thinking outside the box.  

[placnx]

5 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Yes another good choice. I hear Pfizer also is coming out with a pill after your two jabs for many virial  VAINANTS. A  PILL SOUNDS NICE!

Actually it's a treatment, but another company is developing a vaccine in pill form, not mRNA.

[Sydebolle]

7 hours ago, rtco said:

Don't we all know that and this is exactly why there has been a delay! Rather than order and buy in from outside with means there will need to be transparency and scrutiny of money spent they do it from the inside which means they can obfuscate the whole payment cycle and who gets what.

 

The elder folks will remember when Banharn was in charge of transportation and ordered that all gantry cranes at Klong Toey port are to be stopped operating; only mobile cranes were allowed. Luck had it that those mobile cranes were owned by ........

The rest is history; the debacle ended sooner than Banharn expected due to the tremendous backlog at the port which got the shipping lines to charge congestion fees of USD 100/20' - apart from not having enough containers ready for the (then flourishing) export ....... 

[Nanaplaza666]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

You dont make this stuff in a bathtub.

First of all you need the required equipment and build a manufacturing plant. You need to train people how to run it. Then do trials and ensure process stability, safety and robustness.

Then you have to make test batches and ensure they are all within acceptable tolerances such as strength/impurities.

Or just order them as they should have done long time ago . 

[sathornlover]

7 hours ago, DLock said:

And does SB sell at "zero profit" or does AZ sell at "zero profit" after they have both fully expenses the Balance Sheet? And who is auditing that Balance Sheet?

 

You see where I'm going? 

 

Until now, it was hard for me to understand why AZ chose Thailand, as a production location in SEA and especially then SB as a contracted producer ...

[natway09]

What the headline means is that they have nearly sorted who gets what 

[nkg]

7 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

I love Reuters and Wiki, just would like to hear these plans presented by some government functionary.

 

In that Reuters article: 

 

The country will receive delivery from AstraZeneca ahead of schedule before the second quarter, Kiattaphum Wongrachit, permanent health secretary, said in a statement.

 

"before the second quarter"? Maybe he meant "ends"? So maybe some AZ, from somewhere, by 30 June?

 

 

 

So 61 million AZ doses on order, and some/many/most/all might be produced by SB? 

 

And these will be delivered in batches? Any detail on the bach size and delivery dates?

 

 

I guess I forgot about the 26 m order, and missed the 35 m order. Thanks for those links.

 

Or maybe he 35m "order" is for another vaccine? Why keep that secret?

 

Given the current vaccination rates it will be interesting to see how they ramp up from 10k-20k per day to a 100k+/day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did a bit of searching, and found this thaivisa.com article from the 5th of January. Regarding details about production from Thailand's AZ factory - I haven't found any specifics. Astra Zeneca are keeping quiet, perhaps wary of making promises after the production issues that they had with the EU's vaccines.

 

 

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Thailand's prime minister said on Tuesday his country had ordered an additional 35 million doses of the AstraZeneca Plc COVID-19 vaccine, bringing its total vaccine pipeline to 63 million doses.

 

 

 

 

 

[metisdead]

Some posts of a risky nature have been removed. 

[jp1948]

13 hours ago, ryane66 said:

EU is sueing AstraZenaca for missed deliveries, 75% short. They gave up with AZ and just signed a deal with Pfizer for 1.8 billion doses.

AZ is not a large vaccine company and has to rely of subcontractors to produce the enormous number of doses.

Belgian and Dutch companies on the EU were given the contracts to manufacture the majority of the EU requirements and were subsidised by UK taxpayers. The Dutch company Halix could not get EU approval to produce the vaccine until 26th March 2021. This delay was due to Halix and the EU.

AstraZeneca is not making any profit on this vaccine during the pandemic,unlike Pfizer and Moderna.

The EU is using AZ as a scapegoat to excuse its own inefficiency.

 

[placnx]

8 hours ago, connda said:

Where there is smoke, there is fire.

Re EU suing AZ, I would say 'smoke & mirrors' politics

[placnx]

8 hours ago, flyfrog said:

1 million a month that 65 months until everybody vaccinated????

No that would be 130 months for 65mn people, and before then boosters would probably be required!!

[placnx]

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

Bit of an arbitrary statement, do you really know what it means?

The results may should that 50 out of a hundred did not get a good level of protection, but what you don't know is that the same 50 may have had exactly the same response from any other vaccine. It is all based on probability and any individual cannot know if they will get better immunity from one vaccine or another.

My nephew and his wife were both diagnosed with covid yesterday, both in mid 30's and both got their second AZ jab for a few weeks ago, have to wait and see how ill they get. Looks like she got it and passed it on to him.

Are you from India? I am wondering how AZ is performing there.

[impulse]

Kinda scary to think of the fate of the entire country depending on one entity that's promising to deliver something they've never made before. 

 

What if someone in purchasing ordered P/N 123456 centrifuges when they really needed P/N 123457?

What if there's a fire?  Or a computer virus?

What if the first batch has a strange yellow color where they expected blue?

 

Sure would be comforting to have a Plan B.

 

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Or just order them as they should have done long time ago . 

 

From where?

You do understand that governments around the world are engaged in vaccine nationalism?

[kingofthemountain]

50 minutes ago, impulse said:

Kinda scary to think of the fate of the entire country depending on one entity that's promising to deliver something they've never made before. 

 

What if someone in purchasing ordered P/N 123456 centrifuges when they really needed P/N 123457?

What if there's a fire?  Or a computer virus?

What if the first batch has a strange yellow color where they expected blue?

 

Sure would be comforting to have a Plan B.

 

We can just hope that these risks have been already covered with some sort of precautions, a plan B and even a C, D...

 

imo the main risk is if this vaccine isn't working enough against 

the new strains (Like the india one) and if the protection doesn't last long enough

 

Some recent studies give a good protection during 6 months, it's a very short time and that could complicate the task to vaccinate a decent % of the population, the new vaccinated plus the boosters represent a lot of millions of doses in a reduced time.

 

A sort of race against the clock, not the strong point of the Thais.

 

At this stage there are still a lot of questions (And not only for Thailand)

 

Also don't forget there is no any country in the world having yet reached the famous ''herd imunity'' level presented like the solution to all the Thailand's problems, at this stage nobody can say if it's a doable goal or not

Edited April 29, 2021 by kingofthemountain

[Scouse123]

7 hours ago, sandyf said:

Bit of an arbitrary statement, do you really know what it means?

The results may should that 50 out of a hundred did not get a good level of protection, but what you don't know is that the same 50 may have had exactly the same response from any other vaccine. It is all based on probability and any individual cannot know if they will get better immunity from one vaccine or another.

My nephew and his wife were both diagnosed with covid yesterday, both in mid 30's and both got their second AZ jab for a few weeks ago, have to wait and see how ill they get. Looks like she got it and passed it on to him.

 

So why would anybody want protection equivalent to 50 out of  100 when they can get the probability of 92% or 95% from Pfizer or Johnson and Johnson or Astra Zenica with similar results in the 90s?

 

Sinovac has in trials constantly shown itself the poorest in overall tests results.

 

It doesn't appear to have a good reputation among the vaccines.

[Soikhaonoiken]

I won't be holding my breath, until they start vaccination... 

[cncltd1973]

17 hours ago, newnative said:

    So, they're 'speeding things up' but it's still going to be far off June before any vaccine is produced.  June was the original date so where exactly is the 'speeding up'???   Meanwhile, why can't AZ send some vaccines NOW to bridge the long gap before local production starts?

Maybe cause the Thai gov't downplays the numbers, it's not a crisis like India's numbers. The US just sent $100 million worth of vaccine to India, but Thailand isn't even in the news!

[sandyf]

12 hours ago, placnx said:

Are you from India? I am wondering how AZ is performing there.

No,  from the UK.

[sandyf]

9 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

So why would anybody want protection equivalent to 50 out of  100 when they can get the probability of 92% or 95% from Pfizer or Johnson and Johnson or Astra Zenica with similar results in the 90s?

You cannot pick and choose, you will only get what the vaccine decides to give you.

You can only hope that probability works in your favour, it would be a personal choice between some chance of protection now or waiting to make a choice further down the line. I am not advocating one way or the other.

[Isaan sailor]

14 minutes ago, sandyf said:

You cannot pick and choose, you will only get what the vaccine decides to give you.

You can only hope that probability works in your favour, it would be a personal choice between some chance of protection now or waiting to make a choice further down the line. I am not advocating one way or the other.

They’re banking on the fact that Thai people will take whatever vaccine they’re offered, as long as it’s free.  As for expats—‘up to you’.  Go back to our home country, or pay for the government vaccine.

[sandyf]

4 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

They’re banking on the fact that Thai people will take whatever vaccine they’re offered, as long as it’s free.  

Incorrect. They didn't get the AZ deliveries that should have started in Feb so had to get what was available at the time so they could make a start.

Obviously the view on this forum is they  should have waited for AZ to meet their obligation rather than get some from China. The local AZ has always been scheduled to start in June and very unlikely the outstanding AZ order will be delivered before then.

[Nanaplaza666]

11 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

 

From where?

You do understand that governments around the world are engaged in vaccine nationalism?

Maybe , but you cannot denie that they should have ordered them when they thought they had everything under controle then your qeustion of where would have been answered . 

[Rookiescot]

8 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Maybe , but you cannot denie that they should have ordered them when they thought they had everything under controle then your qeustion of where would have been answered . 

 

Maybe they tried. You need to remember the whole world was and is trying to get contracts for the vaccine.

[Nanaplaza666]

1 minute ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Maybe they tried. You need to remember the whole world was and is trying to get contracts for the vaccine.

You really think they tried ?? Knowing them they didn't try hard enough because they thought they had everything under controle and wanted to show off they where the best kid in class in controlling the virus . My geuss is they didn't take the ordering the vaccine part serious enough . That's why they are in the back of the line(classroom) now . And now they are waiting (putting all their eggs) for locally produced vaccines so they can safe ( pocket) a .... load of baht . 

[Nanaplaza666]

Just now, Nanaplaza666 said:

You really think they tried ?? Knowing them they didn't try hard enough because they thought they had everything under controle and wanted to show off they where the best kid in class in controlling the virus . My geuss is they didn't take the ordering the vaccine part serious enough . That's why they are in the back of the line(classroom) now . And now they are waiting (putting all their eggs) for locally produced vaccines so they can safe ( pocket) a .... load of baht . 

They vaccinated 1 million people from the beginning of vaccination . Some countries do that in 1 week . 

[Surelynot]

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Maybe they tried. You need to remember the whole world was and is trying to get contracts for the vaccine.

Quite possibly.......but having failed to secure any vaccines they could never, ever, let it be known they tried and failed.