Controversial Thammanat ruling triggers push to reform Constitutional Court

[snoop1130]

Thailand’s Constitutional Court on May 5, 2021.

 

The Constitutional Court’s controversial ruling last week in favour of Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Thammanat Prompow has upset many people, including supporters of the government.

 

Thammanat, a key dealmaker and trouble-shooter for the ruling Palang Pracharath Party, was ruled eligible to continue as an MP and remain in the Cabinet despite spending four years in an Australian jail after his 1994 conviction for heroin smuggling.

 

The court ruled on May 5 that only a jail sentence handed down by a Thai court would bar the offender from holding a post in government.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/controversial-thammanat-ruling-triggers-push-to-reform-constitutional-court/

 

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[Surelynot]

The BP stated that the current law is.........anyone who is sentenced to more than 2 years anywhere in the world cannot stand as an MP.......it seems this was simply ignored.

 

As blots go, Thammanat is a monstrously ugly, indelible blot in Thailand's copybook.

[ThailandRyan]

7 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

The BP stated that the current law is.........anyone who is sentenced to more than 2 years anywhere in the world cannot stand as an MP.......it seems this was simply ignored.

 

As blots go, Thammanat is a monstrously ugly, indelible blot in Thailand's copybook.

However, this is Thailand the center of the universe and he was not convicted here.  Time for a reform of the laws and the Constitutional court, but then that is just a foreigners view, and one who can not do anything to help these folks here in Thailand.

[timendres]

12 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

The court ruled on May 5 that only a jail sentence handed down by a Thai court would bar the offender from holding a post in government.

 

Makes sense, since a foreign court cannot be properly corrupted trusted.

[mtls2005]

11 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

anyone who is sentenced to more than 2 years anywhere in the world cannot stand as an MP

 

 

I think there's a further clarification

 

...in the last five years.

 

Accordig to Wissanu Krea-ngam...

 

 

In its view on the qualifications of MPs, the Council of State said a person jailed for two years in Thailand or abroad is not eligible to be an MP within five years of being released, Mr Wissanu said. In this case, the jail sentence was given in 1993 and Capt Thamanat was released in 1997, so he is not prohibited from being an MP, Mr Wissanu said.

 

 

 

which is interesting in that wissanu more or less admitted that thamanat was in fact convicted and jailed.

 

 

 

Thai "law" is flexible, for some. Less so for others.

 

 

 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

..in the last five years.

Damn.

[internationalism]

well, actually to abolish this court and the whole injustice system.

 

this guy is also rapist and murderer, that after deportation back from autralia. For that he was discharged from the army and jailed for 3 years, after the charges were mysteriously dropped.

 

he has an elephant ticket. Has payed for it and nothing can shake him. He is above the competence of the constitutional court  

 

[Excel]

3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

well, actually to abolish this court and the whole injustice system.

 

this guy is also rapist and murderer, that after deportation back from autralia. For that he was discharged from the army and jailed for 3 years, after the charges were mysteriously dropped.

 

he has an elephant ticket. Has payed for it and nothing can shake him. He is above the competence of the constitutional court  

 

Absolutely 100% and until the head of snake is removed and these elephant tickets no longer exist , nothing will change in this corrupt and depraved upper echelons of Thai society. The question is who will be able to make it happen ?

[spidermike007]

The people are simply asking for something that remotely resembles justice. 

 

Does anyone think Prayuth even remembers his promises to clean up Thailand? Has it gotten cleaner? Or more corrupt? The people are judging you P. and their verdict is NOT favorable. You have made quite an impression. On the criminals. 

 

The Anti-Corruption Organization of Thailand (ACT) is one of the most feeble and ineffective of all the tools Prayuth has used to deceive the people into believing that he is fighting corruption. Who was the last high level authority, in the police, immigration, the army, or the active administration they arrested, charged, tried convicted, and sent to prison? Nobody. Zero. Nunca. Nada. Why? Because Prayuth has had a mandate from the beginning to do the very opposite. To protect the elite, the super wealthy who are guilty, those that are connected, and those who are in power. Just think Dark Tao. Just think Red Bull. The list goes on, and on, and on. Only the most naive amongst us believe he or ACT secretary-general Mana Nimitmongkol are sincere about this. 
 

Get serious. Just admit that you don't care and will not do a thing to change any of this. Man up and admit it. Charades are toxic and everyone can see right though your act. 

[Mavideol]

as many of us have previously commented, in this banana republic, (used banana republic to avoid... everybody knows what)  one can get away with anything as long as he has the rights friends or belongs to the right/correct family

[Surelynot]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

as many of us have previously commented, in this banana republic, (used banana republic to avoid... everybody knows what)  one can get away with anything as long as he has the rights friends or belongs to the right/correct family

Just checked the Red Notice list, Interpol...................Vorayuth Yoovidhya......still not on it.........

[BenDeCosta]

Boggles the mind that they allow ex-convicts to be allowed into the government.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, BenDeCosta said:

Boggles the mind that they allow ex-convicts to be allowed into the government.

Is it not a prerequisite ?

[trainman34014]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

The BP stated that the current law is.........anyone who is sentenced to more than 2 years anywhere in the world cannot stand as an MP.......it seems this was simply ignored.

 

As blots go, Thammanat is a monstrously ugly, indelible blot in Thailand's copybook.

He is just another Gangster in the midst of a Cabinet full.  They should all be hung from Lamposts for Treason !

[Artisi]

24 minutes ago, Excel said:

Absolutely 100% and until the head of snake is removed and these elephant tickets no longer exist , nothing will change in this corrupt and depraved upper echelons of Thai society. The question is who will be able to make it happen ?

Once-upon-a-time in a previous galaxy, there was a chance to change many things with just a couple of easy single syllable words, but unfortunately it wasn't done. 

[BenDeCosta]

Was just thinking that in the UK it's hard to get a job even stacking shelves or flipping burgers once you've been inside. But in Thailand, you can become a government minister.

[realfunster]

All sides have their odious 'enforcers'.

Prayut has "Dr." Flour, the Shinawatras' had Captain Earmedicine.

(Quick aside, I once saw Chalerm cruising around Bangkok in his pink Bentley - classy.)

 

The apparent requirement for these types, clearly indicates wider issues in Thai civil society.

It would be nice to see Thailand mature and the back of all these individuals.

[Artisi]

No double standard here is there, for a number of requirements in Thailand farangs need a police check from their own country before proceeding - so it should be reasonable to apply the same ruling for expats - should be. 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, realfunster said:

Chalerm

Him and his sons....real pieces of work......

[Artisi]

3 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said:

Was just thinking that in the UK it's hard to get a job even stacking shelves or flipping burgers once you've been inside. But in Thailand, you can become a government minister.

Of course, pre-qualified for the position. 

[ThailandRyan]

20 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Just checked the Red Notice list, Interpol...................Vorayuth Yoovidhya......still not on it.........

Amazing, and after all of the issues at hand.  Wonder what happened to the AG who dropped the charges, didn't he get his retirement and pension, and then get a cushy government job again somewhere.  Money talks and BS walks

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

Amazing, and after all of the issues at hand.  Wonder what happened to the AG who dropped the charges, didn't he get his retirement and pension, and then get a cushy government job again somewhere.  Money talks and BS walks

Just written to Interpol to ask if they have ever received a request he be Red Listed........it might have been refused by Interpol for some reason.......but my money is on no request ever having been made.

[sammieuk1]

Anyone would think the constitutional court was making it up as it go's ????

[BenDeCosta]

27 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Just written to Interpol to ask if they have ever received a request he be Red Listed........it might have been refused by Interpol for some reason.......but my money is on no request ever having been made.

 

And if you insist on poking a hornet's nest with a stick, eventually you will get stung. Stay well out of it.

[herfiehandbag]

42 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Once-upon-a-time in a previous galaxy, there was a chance to change many things with just a couple of easy single syllable words, but unfortunately it wasn't done. 

There was a chance to change things by marking a cross on a ballot paper, but then it was ignored...

[Surelynot]

Just now, herfiehandbag said:

There was a chance to change things by marking a cross on a ballot paper, but then it was ignored...

Interesting.....the Tory Government, in the UK, is pressing ahead with a bill to restrict voting rights to people in possession of a  photo ID................... this will disenfranchised 100,000's of labour voters..........in the last GE there were six incidents of attempted voter fraud...........I know who the biggest frauds are!

[herfiehandbag]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Interesting.....the Tory Government, in the UK, is pressing ahead with a bill to restrict voting rights to people in possession of a  photo ID................... this will disenfranchised 100,000's of labour voters..........in the last GE there were six incidents of attempted voter fraud...........I know who the biggest frauds are!

I didn't know so many Labour voters didn't have driving licences!

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

I didn't know so many Labour voters didn't have driving licences!

They estimate possibly up to a million........!!!!!

[BenDeCosta]

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Interesting.....the Tory Government, in the UK, is pressing ahead with a bill to restrict voting rights to people in possession of a  photo ID................... this will disenfranchised 100,000's of labour voters..........in the last GE there were six incidents of attempted voter fraud...........I know who the biggest frauds are!

 

The problem is that, despite the fact that it's easy to get photo ID in the UK, it always costs money to do so. So although having a photo ID to vote seems like a very sensible idea and a good way to prevent voter fraud, there are always going to be people who don't want to pay the best part of a hundred quid to get a new passport just to vote, and people who have not passed their driving license. Therefore, it is potentially discriminatory against people who have no money, who have in the past been more likely to vote Labour. Last time I voted in the UK I was just asked for my name and address.

 

However, in the US, where there has been ongoing claims about voter fraud, I fully support voters being asked to provide some ID, but it doesn't need to be photo ID, maybe just a utility bill, and surely that would be enough to make the results more believable. I am not sure if there was any voter fraud at all in the USA, but if there were more stringent checks, the argument could be put to bed. Therefore, if Democrats genuinely believe that they won  the election, they should be supporting these measures, but they are vehemently opposing them which is suspicious.

Edited May 11, 2021 by BenDeCosta

[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said:

There was a chance to change things by marking a cross on a ballot paper, but then it was ignored...

Apparently that wouldn’t have happened either because those ballots were reproduced and stacked in one dishonest direction to have a certain you know who never lose.