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It doesn't take much these days with technology to create fear, TV, media and some ugly looking dudes in suits who are in powerful positions, also wearing a mask, and having been vaccinated.  

After a visit to immigration yesterday I decided to drive down Pattaya Tai, down Second Road, on to Beach Road before returning home. My normal weekly exposure to Pattaya is the motorway to Big C, Pat

If anyone read "The Dark Tower" series, they'll understand the term "the world has moved on."  Yes, everything is shut down by decree and will probably go on an "open/shut" roller coaster for a year o

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10 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

did you stop by devil's den near nirun condo and soi aruntai?

i am Interested to know where is this ''devil's den'' exactly?

i live in the area and i never heard of it

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35 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said:

i am Interested to know where is this ''devil's den'' exactly?

i live in the area and i never heard of it

 

google it.

 

what i was really referring to was club sin, near nirun, in a deserted area, near a large dirt lot. 

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21 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

One thing that seems to be getting lost or overlooked in this discussion, is that tourism has been dropping for many years now. They claim the numbers were up, but that does not mean much. They might have been, they might not have been. The lower to middle income Chinese, Malaysian and Indian numbers were up. But, those are not the big spenders, as Thailand was not able to attract the rich strata of tourism they desperately clamor for, and there are a dozen valid reasons for this. 

 

The quality of tourists was way down, and lowering the standards only works if you are selling one dollar items at a swap meet. The authorities totally lost sight of the big picture, and thousands of hotels, restaurants, gift shops, massage shops, bars and other businesses had been feeling the pinch for years now. Covid is simply the last straw for hundreds of thousands of tourism related businesses, that have failed. 

 

One thing is for sure. For places like Pattaya, Samui, and Phuket nothing will ever be the same again. Even years from now, tourism will remain way down. I predict no more than 2 million tourists in 2022, maybe 3-5 million in 2023 to 2025. Thailand will never see the kind of numbers they saw in the past. They are being forgotten as we post. Though that may be good for some of us, it is tragic for a portion of the Thai people. 

 

really, you think it will never re surface, i find that hard to believe. when covid blows over cant see why things wont revert back to normal.

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1 hour ago, johng said:

example here this morning

"COVID-19 can infect penis tissue and could lead to erectile dysfunction"   !!!!

I wasn't scared before, but I sure am now. 

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4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

The numbers were up. The demographics changed a lot. More Asian, fewer European and Western.

       Definitely more Asian but actually the only Western country with slightly fewer tourists was Australia.  For Asian countries, Singapore was also slightly down. 

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1 minute ago, newnative said:

       Definitely more Asian but actually the only Western country with slightly fewer tourists was Australia.  For Asian countries, Singapore was also slightly down. 

So not all bad then......😀

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1 minute ago, jacko45k said:

So not all bad then......😀

       No, not bad at all.  Pattaya was doing quite well over all, pre-covid.   Someone will be along, I'm sure, to say that they talked to so-and-so and his business wasn't doing well.  That's the way of the World.  Some businesses succeed, some don't.  Home Pro opened 2 stores in Pattaya.  Likely, some Mom and Pop hardware or paint stores closed.  

     One business failing doesn't mean all businesses are failing.  Instead, look at what is opening, as well.  Terminal 21. Dozens of new hotels, including large highrise ones in north Pattaya.  Two new water parks. New housing estates. New condo projects.  Second Ford dealership. Expanded Mercedes dealership.  Audi. New restaurants.  Just a few examples.  All private industry spending their money.  

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53 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

 

google it.

 

what i was really referring to was club sin, near nirun, in a deserted area, near a large dirt lot. 

No need to google it

the only club with the name of Devil's Den i knew was the one in LK metro

definitively closed now

and i also know the Sin club and the others gentlemen club in the same area

Club 4, Carre blanc, Pirates, you know they are all closed at the moment right?

 

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1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Thailand needs the world 10x more than the world needs Thailand. The authorities still don't get that. 

Would that not be true for most countries outside of US, China and North Korea. What specifically does Thailand need that it does not make itself....? Australia might be an example of a country needing others, needs Thailand to make its cars!

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5 hours ago, DerbyDan said:

 

really, you think it will never re surface, i find that hard to believe. when covid blows over cant see why things wont revert back to normal.

The amount of boomer doomer posting here is beyond the pale...it is kind of infectious and one finds it everywhere on the net...but demographics and nature are slowly dampening their presence.

As for the topic, someone early on made a good point imo, a developed beach town like ptya will not disappear, given its location it will thrive...just needs to adapt to whatever will be the latest style that attracts a demogaphic.

I wonder if Thailand will ever get to the point where they agree to the idea of ptya as a muni Macau in SEA....that is a way I can see ptya really hit a home run. All the pieces are in place now with U Tapao open. Yea there is Singapore, but we all know the city state just does not have the vibe Thailand has and never will. If they add casino attractions on top of everything already in place, its to the moon for ptya I figure.

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2 minutes ago, kuma said:

The amount of boomer doomer posting here is beyond the pale...it is kind of infectious and one finds it everywhere on the net...but demographics and nature are slowly dampening their presence.

As for the topic, someone early on made a good point imo, a developed beach town like ptya will not disappear, given its location it will thrive...just needs to adapt to whatever will be the latest style that attracts a demogaphic.

I wonder if Thailand will ever get to the point where they agree to the idea of ptya as a muni Macau in SEA....that is a way I can see ptya really hit a home run. All the pieces are in place now with U Tapao open. Yea there is Singapore, but we all know the city state just does not have the vibe Thailand has and never will. If they add casino attractions on top of everything already in place, its to the moon for ptya I figure.

The condo developers were telling me that casinos are just around the corner here, like, um, 20 years ago. 

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4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The condo developers were telling me that casinos are just around the corner here, like, um, 20 years ago. 

Yup, it has been a contentious issue and debated hotly for decades indeed.

Some significant things have changed in terms of voices at the table in recent years, and with the recent economic developments, lets see what happens next.

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10 minutes ago, kuma said:

Yup, it has been a contentious issue and debated hotly for decades indeed.

Some significant things have changed in terms of voices at the table in recent years, and with the recent economic developments, lets see what happens next.

Well it seems to me the current economic crisis is much much more severe than anything that has hit Pattaya before since it started becoming the mega sin city resort that we all know and love or loathe. It certainly seems like a bigger downturn than HIV and the financial baht crash of decades ago that left all those rotting condos in Bangkok. So crisis equals opportunity (for some). 

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There is no way Pattaya will ever come back the same way it was before.  There were far too many bar complexes that sat empty even before covid hit.  Chinese and Indian tourists were way up, Western tourists were way down.  High season was becoming progressively less busy as every year passed as a result of this.  The Chinese tourists in particular were already driving change to cater to their interests, due to the large volume of them coming in and out every day.  

 

As a seaside 'resort' town, Pattaya will continue to exist going into the future, but it's going to look a lot different - far less bar complexes, probably tucked further back and more hidden as the area along the beach slowly becomes redeveloped to cater to a different type of tourist.

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1 minute ago, Maha Sarakham said:

There is no way Pattaya will ever come back the same way it was before.  There were far too many bar complexes that sat empty even before covid hit.  Chinese and Indian tourists were way up, Western tourists were way down.  High season was becoming progressively less busy as every year passed as a result of this.  The Chinese tourists in particular were already driving change to cater to their interests, due to the large volume of them coming in and out every day.  

 

As a seaside 'resort' town, Pattaya will continue to exist going into the future, but it's going to look a lot different - far less bar complexes, probably tucked further back and more hidden as the area along the beach slowly becomes redeveloped to cater to a different type of tourist.

A bit science fiction but with rapid transit maybe eventually Bangkok's seaside bedroom.

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1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

A bit science fiction but with rapid transit maybe eventually Bangkok's seaside bedroom.

 

I suspect you're not far off.  Pattaya will likely become a Bangkokian weekend destination if they redevelop it towards Thai interests.  

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Just now, Maha Sarakham said:

 

I suspect you're not far off.  Pattaya will likely become a Bangkokian weekend destination if they redevelop it towards Thai interests.  

It was that already to some extent but with rapid transit plus work at home people with Bangkok jobs could live here.

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4 hours ago, kuma said:

The amount of boomer doomer posting here is beyond the pale...it is kind of infectious and one finds it everywhere on the net...but demographics and nature are slowly dampening their presence.

As for the topic, someone early on made a good point imo, a developed beach town like ptya will not disappear, given its location it will thrive...just needs to adapt to whatever will be the latest style that attracts a demogaphic.

I wonder if Thailand will ever get to the point where they agree to the idea of ptya as a muni Macau in SEA....that is a way I can see ptya really hit a home run. All the pieces are in place now with U Tapao open. Yea there is Singapore, but we all know the city state just does not have the vibe Thailand has and never will. If they add casino attractions on top of everything already in place, its to the moon for ptya I figure.

 

A lot of Chinese will come in with Casino's. We don't want to turn Pattaya into another Sihanoukville where the place just houses herds that move from hotel buffetts to the casino via tour bus and every other demographic leaves because they don't fit in.

 

It takes balls to even go into some of those Chinese Casino's. They are not very welcoming.

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