Mr Meeseeks Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: Afaik the EEC hardly attract an infime part of the investissments expected it looks like more of another oportunity to fill deep pockets with public money Yep, but it is written in the constitution which is the highest law of the land so doesn't matter what we think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, soi3eddie said: I was going to write same but you got there first. I'll add that foreigners cavorting with scantily clad girls in open air beer bars at a family resort will always attract attention and never look good. At least the Thai men keep there philandering discrete. Ditto. You fail to understand the more sordid underbelly of Thai culture. It's in plain sight, it's not hidden or behind closed doors. Neon signs - on main streets and thoroughfares. Big neon letters! Ap Ob Nuat! And Karaoke bars. And Curtain Hotels. But - ignorance is bliss. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post kingofthemountain Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Yep, but it is written in the constitution which is the highest law of the land so doesn't matter what we think. We are talking about Thailand ? That should relativize ''Since 1932, Thailand has had 20 charters or constitutions (as of 2015)—an average of one roughly every four years—many adopted following military coups, which reflects a high degree of political instability. After each successful coup, military regimes abrogated existing constitutions and promulgated new ones.'' 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bruno123 Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Meeseeks said: You've just proved my point. Foreigners don't understand Thai culture and can't read Thai so are not aware of the local scene therefore it is not an embarrassment for Thais as it is not as recognizable or in your face as the sex-tourism industry. No-one is denying its existence. You seem to have taken this rather personally and have gone off on a tangent from my original premise which was that the sex-tourism industry in Pattaya is an embarrassment to Thais and doesn't fit with the vision of the Eastern Economic Corridor. BTW I can read and write Thai, speak fluently and have been here 31 years. Next! Indeed; dressed up as Karaoke or massage; not in your face like Beer bars. ...let's get drunk and have sex. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, connda said: Ditto. You fail to understand the more sordid underbelly of Thai culture. It's in plain sight, it's not hidden or behind closed doors. Neon signs - on main streets and thoroughfares. Big neon letters! Ap Ob Nuat! And Karaoke bars. And Curtain Hotels. But - ignorance is bliss. The only thing I fail to understand is why you still don't understand my point after three or four clearly worded posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BenDeCosta Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, connda said: And no. It's in plain sight if you understand Thai culture and can read Thai. I don't think you need to be able to read Thai to know what's going on inside this establishment. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, kingofthemountain said: We are talking about Thailand ? That should relativize ''Since 1932, Thailand has had 20 charters or constitutions (as of 2015)—an average of one roughly every four years—many adopted following military coups, which reflects a high degree of political instability. After each successful coup, military regimes abrogated existing constitutions and promulgated new ones.'' Indeed, but then would they amend a constitution to effectively write themselves out of a very lucrative income stream? There will be too many fingers in pies by the time the next rewrite comes around to do anything about it. Same goes for the upper house of unelected senators. Edited May 16, 2021 by Mr Meeseeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, BenDeCosta said: what's going on inside this establishment. Sauna and massage "perfectly legit govner" ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofthemountain Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Just now, Mr Meeseeks said: Indeed, but then would they amend a constitution to effectively write themselves out of a very lucrative money pit? There will be too many fingers in pies by the time the next rewrite comes around to do anything about it. Same goes for the upper house of unelected senators. The next to comes to take their part of the pie in few years will be the ones who rewrite or amend it if necessary. All the past history of Thailand is about it As for the EEC, mark my words, in 10 years it will be a forgotten word with only few derelicts buildings and abandoned fields remaining as a proof of its existence again nothing new in Thailand 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Town Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, RocketDog said: The world has moved on from physical sex? Girls making a fortune online? I seriously doubt both your claims. You obviously never read the books so you don't get the reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orchidfan Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 1:17 PM, Danderman123 said: There is no question that some fraction of people in Isaan go to college. But, given the vast tonnage of rice harvested in Isaan, somebody is working in the rice fields. And by "somebody", I mean a lot of people. Recent trip to far NE Isaan over Songkran....first time back in a few years. Now nearly all the rice farming is now mechanized with Kubota tractors and harvesters. A few men doing what hundreds of family members used to do by hand. A lot has changed and young people leave for a paying job. One I know one who went to Samut Prakhan to work in a factory. Now in hospital with pretty bad Covid19. Great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Golden Triangle Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said: Some truth here and I have heard this discussed with connected Thai friends whom are deeply embarrassed by the sex tourism image Pattaya cultivates right in the heart of the golden jewel of the Eastern Economic Corridor. So maybe your connected Thai friends should have a word with the also connected Thais ( Police/Army/Politicos ) who own and operate probably 90% or more of the sex for sale establishments in and around the Pattaya area, or do you deny this truth that is obvious to most people ? Except you of course, and for those of us that have been here long enough also recognise the signs for love hotels, Thai only karaoke and massage parlours. Stop trying to blame the foreigner for the stigma attached to Thailand as a country that has sex for sale in cities, towns & villages across the length & breadth of the country. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cletus Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 8:47 AM, spidermike007 said: Few areas will revert back to normal. Tourism, especially. The target group for Thailand tourism was hit hard by this insane international economic shutdown. It was the first time in history it ever happened. Few tourists here for nearly two years, by the time they open up again. Many will be afraid of crowded airports and airplanes. Everything will be different. Without sounding like a prophet of doom, everything will be different. Many industries will recover. But tourism here has taken a huge hit. And it will take alot to bring it back, to re-boot the infrastructure, and get it going again. Nothing can be taken for granted. Also, many tourism problems existed long before Covid. None were addressed. None. And they did not just go away. Thailand is being forgotten the longer time goes by. Thailand needs the world 10x more than the world needs Thailand. The authorities still don't get that. You sound like a prophet of disgrace. Should learn to watch at the glass as half full, you clearly haven't learned much from Thailand all these years. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post J Town Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, Cletus said: On 5/13/2021 at 1:47 PM, spidermike007 said: Few areas will revert back to normal. <snip> You sound like a prophet of disgrace. Should learn to watch at the glass as half full, you clearly haven't learned much from Thailand all these years. You're new here. Spidermike007 is a thoughtful member who always gives insightful perspectives. While we don't always agree, I respect his posts. You should learn to "read the room" before berating a long term member. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangkok Barry Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 11:03 AM, soi3eddie said: I grew up on the south coast of the UK. In winters the resort areas were shuttered and deserted. The only difference with Pattaya is at least the rain is warm and it's often sunny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) On 5/13/2021 at 8:47 AM, spidermike007 said: Few areas will revert back to normal. Tourism, especially. The target group for Thailand tourism was hit hard by this insane international economic shutdown. It was the first time in history it ever happened. Few tourists here for nearly two years, by the time they open up again. Many will be afraid of crowded airports and airplanes. Everything will be different. Without sounding like a prophet of doom, everything will be different. Many industries will recover. But tourism here has taken a huge hit. And it will take alot to bring it back, to re-boot the infrastructure, and get it going again. Nothing can be taken for granted. Also, many tourism problems existed long before Covid. None were addressed. None. And they did not just go away. Thailand is being forgotten the longer time goes by. Thailand needs the world 10x more than the world needs Thailand. The authorities still don't get that. I think unfortunately many thai service providers, restaurants, bars etc, will try to ensure themselves against something like this happening again by targeting Thai tourists more and more, Chinese and less and less Western tourists. This alone will turn off Western tourists who will not like the feeling of being 3rd class tourists, with everything geared towards Thais, Chinese and so it will be a self-fulfilling path. The mere risk of another virus lockdown will result in less offers towards Western tourists. One can see it already in Chiang Mai, with many of the typical Western tourist places gone and everyone talking about targeting Thai and Chinese tourists. Sadly the British and Americans didn't help this situation by keeping their vaccines for themselves. Sure, they may emerge a few days earlier from lockdown, but at the cost of forcing all of Europe to lag behind in vaccination, particularly Germany whose Turkish led Biontech has been selling their vaccine primarily abroad, unlike AstraZeneca which prioritised the British. Because Europe will be seen by Thais as the unlikely high risk group that will probably not be coming any time soon, this will of course affect the tourist offers for Brits and Americans, but they don't realise this. Edited May 16, 2021 by Logosone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Logosone said: I think unfortunately many thai service providers, restaurants, bars etc, will try to ensure themselves against something like this happening again by targeting Thai tourists more and more, Chinese and less and less Western tourists. This alone will turn off Western tourists who will not like the feeling of being 3rd class tourists, with everything geared towards Thais, Chinese and so it will be a self-fulfilling path. The mere risk of another virus lockdown will result in less offers towards Western tourists. One can see it already in Chiang Mai, with many of the typical Western tourist places gone and everyone talking about targeting Thai and Chinese tourists. Sadly the British and Americans didn't help this situation by keeping their vaccines for themselves. Sure, they may emerge a few days earlier from lockdown, but at the cost of forcing all of Europe to lag behind in vaccination, particularly Germany whose Turkish led Biontech has been selling their vaccine primarily abroad, unlike AstraZeneca which prioritised the British. Because Europe will be seen by Thais as the unlikely high risk group that will probably not be coming any time soon, this will of course affect the tourist offers for Brits and Americans, but they don't realise this. Thai's will not / can not pay farang prices, so in order for what you describe to happen, there would have to be a market correction in commercial property rents, and if such a correction was to occur, this is favourable to businesses catering for western tourist, and western tourism themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Sarakham Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Logosone said: One can see it already in Chiang Mai, with many of the typical Western tourist places gone and everyone talking about targeting Thai and Chinese tourists. I mean, we all knew it was going to happen. It was just a matter of how soon. This whole situation just paved the way for the shift to happen sooner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Leaver said: Thai's will not / can not pay farang prices, so in order for what you describe to happen, there would have to be a market correction in commercial property rents, and if such a correction was to occur, this is favourable to businesses catering for western tourist, and western tourism themselves. While the purchasing power of the Thai middle class is somewhat less, undoubtedly, there are also Chinese, Koreans etc, and given the chaos which Germany, France and most of Europe are now in, thanks to the betrayal by the Anglo-Saxons in keeping vaccines for themselves and their own stupidity of allowing the mass-export of their own vaccine, I wonder if large parts of Europe will fancy large scale travel if they have to keep quarantine for 2 weeks when they come back. I hope I'm wrong, but if I was Thai, I certainly wouldn't bet on German, French, European tourists, and by themselves the British and Americans are just too small a group to matter. I would do everything to get Thai, Chinese, Korean tourists, which appears to be what most are doing now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Maha Sarakham said: I mean, we all knew it was going to happen. It was just a matter of how soon. This whole situation just paved the way for the shift to happen sooner. Indeed. We have seen this virus basically accelerate existing trends, same with the closures of retail stores on the high street, the push towards plastic payment. Covid is a big accelerator of underlying trends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leaver Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 11 minutes ago, Logosone said: While the purchasing power of the Thai middle class is somewhat less, undoubtedly, there are also Chinese, Koreans etc, and given the chaos which Germany, France and most of Europe are now in, thanks to the betrayal by the Anglo-Saxons in keeping vaccines for themselves and their own stupidity of allowing the mass-export of their own vaccine, I wonder if large parts of Europe will fancy large scale travel if they have to keep quarantine for 2 weeks when they come back. I hope I'm wrong, but if I was Thai, I certainly wouldn't bet on German, French, European tourists, and by themselves the British and Americans are just too small a group to matter. I would do everything to get Thai, Chinese, Korean tourists, which appears to be what most are doing now. Thailand is around 12 months away, at best, for vaccinating around 65% of the Thai population, and opening borders. Europe will be well ahead by the time Thailand opens up for business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post soi3eddie Posted May 16, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Logosone said: I certainly wouldn't bet on German, French, European tourists, and by themselves the British and Americans are just too small a group to matter Wrong; more British and American tourists to Thailand than German or French in 2019 accodring to this source. Edited May 16, 2021 by soi3eddie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, soi3eddie said: Wrong; more British and American tourists to Thailand than German or French in 2019 accodring to this source. Wrong, Russian tourists alone in 2019 outnumbered British by a very large margin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand Yes, there is a little more British than Germans in Thailand, by a tiny margin, but once you factor in all of Europe the Brits and Americans are a much smaller group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logosone Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Leaver said: Thailand is around 12 months away, at best, for vaccinating around 65% of the Thai population, and opening borders. Europe will be well ahead by the time Thailand opens up for business. It doesn't matter, because Thais are already in Thailand, Europeans have to contend with their own very slow vaccination and quarantine. Thais are already there. And the Chinese will be way ahead. I don't think Thais will gear up for Europeans, more likely for Chinese and Thais. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soi3eddie Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 3 hours ago, Leaver said: I certainly wouldn't bet on German, French, European tourists, and by themselves the British and Americans are just too small a group to matter Just now, Logosone said: 1 hour ago, soi3eddie said: Wrong; more British and American tourists to Thailand than German or French in 2019 accodring to this source. Just now, Logosone said: Wrong, Russian tourists alone in 2019 outnumbered British by a very large margin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourism_in_Thailand Yes, there is a little more British than Germans in Thailand, by a tiny margin, but once you factor in all of Europe the Brits and Americans are a much smaller group. The comparison was British and Americans vs Germans and French numbers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 10:50 AM, Sticky Rice Balls said: Someone please think of the poor thieving Pattaya ladyboys looking for gold wearing fools... Another fantasize living in the sensationalist headlines...probably never been here but wants a lady boy..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgenon Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/11/2021 at 8:33 PM, J Town said: If anyone read "The Dark Tower" series, they'll understand the term "the world has moved on." Yes, everything is shut down by decree and will probably go on an "open/shut" roller coaster for a year or two. The sex industry was Pattaya's forte. That's been demolished. The girls found out they can make a fortune online without ever swapping bodily fluids. I don't think it will ever return to its glorious apex of the previous decade. I'm just seriously grateful I got in as many soapies as I did! The world has moved on. Wow! How do they make a fortune online? I want to tell some girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 15 hours ago, connda said: I was here in the 1980s. It wasn't a "family resort", but it was very laid back. I liked it. Returned in 2000, didn't like it, left, never returned. Not my cup of tea. I seem to remember there being a lot of Germans here, many oil-field and Middle East workers and tourist 'families', even older couples, were quite rare.... and wide eyed! The girls were just making a living and offering great company. Very different place.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 10:36 AM, thaibeachlovers said: A golden opportunity wasted. Sure, rip it all down and then build back to your specifications... not likely a profitable venture... places like Pattaya are built the way they are for profit... which is not a concern for you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 10:19 AM, 4MyEgo said: It doesn't take much these days with technology to create fear, TV, media and some ugly looking dudes in suits who are in powerful positions, also wearing a mask, and having been vaccinated. The light at the end of the tunnel are vaccines, and for those who take them, you will be rewarded and get your vaccine passports to travel and life will be back to normal. We can then live happily ever after. What you say is correct, vaccines will eventually allow movement and that in turn will slowly turn the clock back to better times. However this has shown that Pattaya and other resorts just how dependent they were on international tourism, that means the local business is not enough to sustain them in bad times.. Have they learnt anything and changed the business model at all or are they just hanging on to the old style and hope for boom times again... Time will tell. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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