18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not saying they don't matter, they play an important part of the picture of just how widespread the virus is here in Thailand.

BKK Brian, Its getting out of control now. This government needs to do something now . Not by the end of 2021. Its just going to get worse 

9 hours ago, webfact said:

 Thailand reported on Monday a daily record of 9,635 new coronavirus cases, including 6,853 infections among prisoners from jail clusters, as the Southeast Asian country struggles with a third wave of infections.

Everything is under Control They said,   55555 

Have they Isolate all the Prisoners and the Screws, I mean No In or Out the Jail ? 

Yea right , Remember they said that they Know what they are Doing? 

No no they don't Who Infected the Inmates ? Who went In and out the Jail? 

Why bother ,something isn't Right in this Country.

The big wigs hiding  the rest just Trown to the Wolves.   

14 minutes ago, TaoNow said:

 

That's good dinsdale, but you forgot to mention your location so that others can verify. 

 

Also, others need to be as resourceful as you and check out their local hospital.

 

That is because one report doth not a disaster make.

 

Continue to track and report the bed vacancy data, and let's stop this chicken-little nonsense with every day's posting of case numbers.

 

None of regular miscreants here will ever be satisfied whatever the government announces to the public.

 

So let's drop it.

Find another forum if the posting of daily numbers is to much for you or just don't read the OP, simple as that.  Many of us seem to want to be kept up to date with the news that's happening like watching the news daily several times as you can glean information on many subjects.  

4 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

I agree with Europe's WHO chief who says lockdown should be a "very very last resort".

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

 

The guys here screaming for lockdown on the basis of a couple of thousand daily cases in the general population, which has been stable for the past month, I would call lockdown fanatics.

 

 

I think you are far too polite.

 

 

I would call them paranoid lockdown Covidiots.

 

 

I doubt they even know what a proper lockdown looks like -  and certainly no idea of the circumstances i which they should be used.

 

 

Outside of Bangkok (and the prisons) the numbers are dropping (as expected) in the provinces and further easing of restrictions should be on the horizon.

3 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

I agree with Europe's WHO chief who says lockdown should be a "very very last resort".

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/15/lockdowns-should-be-last-resort-whos-europe-chief-says.html

 

The guys here screaming for lockdown on the basis of a couple of thousand daily cases in the general population, which has been stable for the past month, I would call lockdown fanatics.

Seems to work to stop the halt of the spread, its basic science. If there had been a lockdown at Songkran then numbers now which are nearer 3 thousand than 2 would have reduced enough to end the lockdown to manageable levels and lead to less economic impact and fewer deaths. 

 

I'm all for it even at this late stage, a lockdown circut breaker to avoid potential further spread and get this under control, even if only for 2 - 4 weeks.

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

I think you are far too polite.

 

 

I would call them paranoid lockdown Covidiots.

 

 

I doubt they even know what a proper lockdown looks like -  and certainly no idea of the circumstances i which they should be used.

 

 

Outside of Bangkok (and the prisons) the numbers are dropping (as expected) in the provinces and further easing of restrictions should be on the horizon.

Or is the testing easing ?

22 minutes ago, tau152 said:

Reading today’s COVID-19 update for Thailand, I note that the TOTAL number of cases since this ‘pandemic’ started 17 months ago,  is 111,000 with the recorded number of deaths attributed to it, listed as 614.  Doing the math reveals that the death rate works out to 0.55%!!  That’s right!  Only 0.55% or approximately one-half of one percent of those infected have actually died!  

Further, given that the population of Thailand is currently over 69 million, the percentage of the population that has been infected so far is 0.16% and the percentage of the population who have actually died from it, is 0.00000003%!!!!!  

 

For this, the country has been brought to a standstill, businesses closed down, its economy devastated and the populace shaking with fear.....mandated by law to wear face masks when outside their homes???!!!  SMDH and weep!!!!????

You came out of lurking mode for this??

23 minutes ago, tau152 said:

Reading today’s COVID-19 update for Thailand, I note that the TOTAL number of cases since this ‘pandemic’ started 17 months ago,  is 111,000 with the recorded number of deaths attributed to it, listed as 614.  Doing the math reveals that the death rate works out to 0.55%!!  That’s right!  Only 0.55% or approximately one-half of one percent of those infected have actually died!  

Further, given that the population of Thailand is currently over 69 million, the percentage of the population that has been infected so far is 0.16% and the percentage of the population who have actually died from it, is 0.00000003%!!!!!  

 

For this, the country has been brought to a standstill, businesses closed down, its economy devastated and the populace shaking with fear.....mandated by law to wear face masks when outside their homes???!!!  SMDH and weep!!!!????

 

No, the country did not enact these measures for fear of what has occurred. It was for fear of what might otherwise occur i.e. what is unfolding now in India, happened in parts of the US, in Italy etc.

 

Had none of these measures been taken there would be a considerably greater death toll, and not just from COVID but from all causes due to the total collapse of health services.

 

It is circular reasoning at best to call the impact of precautions (i.e. their success) proof that they were not needed.

 

I lock my doors to prevent theft. I have had 0 thefts in the past year. This hardly proves that locking the doors has been unnecessary.

1 minute ago, club said:

Or is the testing easing ?

 

 

The confirmed cases are falling - fact.

 

 

If you want to fanaticize about the reasons for that, go ahead.

 

 

The acid test is always deaths.....................I still don't see them queuing up at the wats.

9 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Kaboom, there you have it.  The jails, well many of them have reported.  Lets hope they can get a handle on it.  It is not just inmates, everyone that works in or around the facilities are at risk.  Get the vaccinations rolling out. 2782 cases also not related to the prisons, so that number keeps on rolling.  Waiting to see that breakdown of where those cases are throughout Thailand, but of course at least half may be in Bangkok with the newly found clusters amongst construction workers camps.

Despite big chest beating no way they can stop or control the spread . Cells are over crowded , there is no space to move or to separate sick from healthy. Prison medical facilities are worse than a vet office, numbers will start to triple daily 

9 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

 

No, the country did not enact these measures for fear of what has occurred. It was for fear of what might otherwise occur i.e. what is unfolding now in India, happened in parts of the US, in Italy etc.

 

Had none of these measures been taken there would be a considerably greater death toll, and not just from COVID but fro mall causes due to the total collapse of health services.

 

It is circular reasoning at best to call the impact of precautions (i.e. their success) proof that they were not needed.

 

I lock my doors to prevent theft. I have had 0 thefts in the past year. This hardly proves that locking the doors was unnecessary.

They tried to downplay it in USA, also just like you. Its turned into almost 600k Dead, Is that what you want for Thailand ?This country needs to buy vaccines now that are ready to go now. Not 6 months from now

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Seems to work to stop the halt of the spread, its basic science. If there had been a lockdown at Songkran then numbers now which are nearer 3 thousand than 2 would have reduced enough to end the lockdown to manageable levels and lead to less economic impact and fewer deaths. 

 

I'm all for it even at this late stage, a lockdown circut breaker to avoid potential further spread and get this under control, even if only for 2 - 4 weeks.

That would at best delay it. What two week lockdown in another country can you point to that has been successful? They need to last several months to have any real effect. And as Thailand can't afford to furlough millions of people, how are you going to stop people starving to death?

5 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

The confirmed cases are falling - fact.

 

 

If you want to fanaticize about the reasons for that, go ahead.

 

 

The acid test is always deaths.....................I still don't see them queuing up at the wats.

Falling in an upward arc.. 

12 minutes ago, edwardandtubs said:

That would at best delay it. What two week lockdown in another country can you point to that has been successful? They need to last several months to have any real effect. And as Thailand can't afford to furlough millions of people, how are you going to stop people starving to death?

Did you miss where i said 2 - 4 weeks. No they do not need to last several months, thats a pure fallacy. The UK lockdown circuit breakers can last from anything from two weeks to 2 months. 

 

"The hope is they are less damaging - to the economy and people's mental health - than a longer lockdown, because people can plan ahead more easily."

 

"A temporary lockdown in New Zealand, which successfully allowed contact tracers to get back on top of the outbreak there, can be seen as a circuit-breaker even though it was not called that." Australia also did a successfull 7 day lockdown.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54206582

 

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

How and why did the numbers expand is the bigger question.  What was just added.?

Maybe they show total infected in prison! Nobody dont know anymore , there is nothing logic in numbers.

6 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

Falling in an upward arc.. 

 

 

Buriram and Surin, for example,  down to 1 confirmed case (from double digits after the expected post Songkran surge).

 

You call that an upward arc?

 

 

The numbers are becoming negligible in many areas and we will soon be back to the CCSA reporting "X number of provinces with zero cases for Y number of weeks'.

1 minute ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Buriram and Surin, for example,  down to 1 confirmed case (from double digits after the expected post Songkran surge).

 

You call that an upward arc?

 

 

The numbers are becoming negligible in many areas and we will soon be back to the CCSA reporting "X number of provinces with zero cases for Y number of weeks'.

It's just so sweet that you think this is over.. bless!

An intersting article. This is needed now.

 

3 minutes ago, ourmanflint said:

It's just so sweet that you think this is over.. bless!

 

 

Do you normally put words in people's mouth's?

 

I didn't say it was over.... I will say it is contained (apart from the prisons and parts of Bangkok that will take a bit a longer). Being contained that will see further movement from red to orange to green in the coming weeks.

 

Now..... what have YOU got to offer to say that will not be the case?

 

 

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

How do you know there won't be many deaths and more importantly how do you know there haven't already been before their cover up was outed.

Because covid has a 97/99% survival rate ?

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you miss where i said 2 - 4 weeks. No they do not need to last several months, thats a pure fallacy. The UK lockdown circuit breakers can last from anything from two weeks to 2 months. 

 

"The hope is they are less damaging - to the economy and people's mental health - than a longer lockdown, because people can plan ahead more easily."

 

"A temporary lockdown in New Zealand, which successfully allowed contact tracers to get back on top of the outbreak there, can be seen as a circuit-breaker even though it was not called that." Australia also did a successfull 7 day lockdown.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-54206582

 

Australia has been doing some 5 day lockdowns. Here 7-10 days after the Thong lor outbreak may have been enough. Only thing is with the shorter lockdowns you need actual mass testing and good contact tracing to see how things are going. If there's still community transmission you extend the period. Snap and harsh lockdowns are as you say circuit breakers.

At least jails are quarantine facilities already. Let em heal up in their cell

3 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Do you normally put words in people's mouth's?

 

I didn't say it was over.... I will say it is contained (apart from the prisons and parts of Bangkok that will take a bit a longer). Being contained that will see further movement from red to orange to green in the coming weeks.

 

Now..... what have YOU got to offer to say that will not be the case?

 

 

"If wishes were horses beggars would ride"

7 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Do you normally put words in people's mouth's?

 

I didn't say it was over.... I will say it is contained (apart from the prisons and parts of Bangkok that will take a bit a longer). Being contained that will see further movement from red to orange to green in the coming weeks.

 

Now..... what have YOU got to offer to say that will not be the case?

 

 

I will give you...

 

the whole world and 503 days of real life data about how this virus behaves

 

How's that?

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Australia. Very harsh lockdowns. Now doing OK. Today +3 cases in a population of >26,000,000. Lockdowns and real mass testing, excellent contact tracing and isolation/quarantine is why Australia is where it is today. Vaccination program in OZ is not so good.

I see the results in Australia and the strict measures taken, but how rigorous do they need to be applied? I don't know, and there are so many varied opinions, but if we throw in the UAE as another example, no lockdown for some time, working from home requested where possible, bars restaurants and public places open with Covid protocol and rules to be strictly followed. Tourists welcome in Dubai with Covid negative certificate. Great at mass testing and have really pushed on with vaccination with 11 million receiving first jabs out of a population of around 10 million. Covid positive daily cases remained around 2000 for over 2 months but have started falling dramatically this week. I am no specialist, and am only passing on an interesting observation for comparison. It may all come back to bite them but as of today that's how it is.

 

https://covid19.ncema.gov.ae/en

6 minutes ago, Excel said:

"If wishes were horses beggars would ride"

If you believe everything your being told by this government . Keep in mind almost every Government on this planet has lied about how many cases they have

38 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Find another forum if the posting of daily numbers is to much for you or just don't read the OP, simple as that.  Many of us seem to want to be kept up to date with the news that's happening like watching the news daily several times as you can glean information on many subjects.  

 

Ryan, as I think you know already, I only come on this part of TV to challenge those who like to use the term "disaster" or other dark scenarios to describe the Covid situation in Thailand without hard evidence.   

 

You may think this is a pub, but it is a global forum which people around the world may read.   

 

Therefore, it is of the utmost importance that posters avoid hyperbole, and back up any assertions about the situation of the epidemic in Thailand with evidence. 

 

By the way, I am talking about the general situation in Thailand, not that in prisons, which I agree is deplorable.

 

I have a strong interest in what happens with Covid-19 spread in Thailand. 

 

But I think I have more experience in working with Thai government health systems data than most of the posters on these threads.

 

That's why I will take you and others to task when the need arises.

 

Be well.

 

The Thai government had to wait a week to get these numbers out because they needed a good story to weave.

This is probably the tip of the iceberg for Thailands jails.  I mean if you're in there you're probably going to get it.  They are sardines in there.  

It's not a death sentence if you get it.  Remember that.  

 

1 minute ago, TaoNow said:

 

Ryan, as I think you know already, I only come on this part of TV to challenge those who like to use the term "disaster" or other dark scenarios to describe the Covid situation in Thailand without hard evidence.   

 

You may think this is a pub, but it is a global forum which people around the world may read.   

 

Therefore, it is of the utmost importance that posters avoid hyperbole, and back up any assertions about the situation of the epidemic in Thailand with evidence. 

 

By the way, I am talking about the general situation in Thailand, not that in prisons, which I agree is deplorable.

 

I have a strong interest in what happens with Covid-19 spread in Thailand. 

 

But I think I have more experience in working with Thai government health systems data than most of the posters on these threads.

 

That's why I will take you and others to task when the need arises.

 

Be well.

 

This thing in Thailand is getting out of control. If you cant understand that maybe you need to stop posting

55 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I do not in anyway need to tell my location. I did say that the local hospital is taking overflow from BKK hospitals so that narrows it down a bit i.e. not Chiang Mai LOL. If you think I am lying come straight out and say it. 

 

No, dinsdale, I think you did a fine job.  Just being prudent since some members here are prone to hyperbole.