US President Joe Biden Calls For Further Investigation Into Virus Origin

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36 minutes ago, rcuthbert said:

Did anyone do my aforementioned Google search?

Covid 19 is a virus that was modified by scientists. In fact, its current structure does not exist in nature.

 

Shaming, guilt, ostracization, demotion, job loss, etc - are no longer keeping the truth hidden. Perhaps proper journalism, and academic integrity, are becoming (albeit slowly) predominant.

 

Not quite. The virus hasn't been found in nature. Yet. But the same goes for the Ebola virus. Does that mean it's human-made too?

[tifino]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not quite. The virus hasn't been found in nature. Yet. But the same goes for the Ebola virus. Does that mean it's human-made too?

the nearest equivalent to 'found in nature' and 'Human-made' are the recent claims made in Australia; that the Wuhan Virus is being 'detected' in Suburban Sewerage

- conveniently near the latest suburbs now being declared as HotSpots 

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16 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

This is certainly a possibility and that is why there is a chorus of prominent people (not just "conspiracy theorists" and Donald Trump supporters) calling for a thorough investigation into the virus' origin. And if it's been modified or not isn't really the question, we already know that's what the WIV was doing (with US approval and funding). The question is did the SARS-CoV-2 virus escape from a lab.

No. We don't know that the US was funding modification of the virus.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/18/fact-checking-senator-paul-dr-fauci-flap-over-wuhan-lab-funding/

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/05/the-wuhan-lab-and-the-gain-of-function-disagreement/

 

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On 5/28/2021 at 8:56 AM, rcuthbert said:

Google: Li-Meng Yan China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19

 

 

I googled Li-Meng Yan. Did you?

Li-Meng Yan or Yan Limeng (simplified Chinese: 闫丽梦; traditional Chinese: 閆麗夢), is a Chinese ophthalmologist and virologist, known for publications and interviews alleging thatShe co-authored several preprint research papers,^[a] presenting conspiracy theories about the origin of SARS-CoV-2,^[9] stating that SARS-CoV-2 was "produced in a laboratory".^[9][10][11] These publications have been widely criticised by the wider scientific community.[4][5]...

According to a scientific review by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, Yan's paper offered "contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument",^[4] while four review articles published by MIT Press criticised the paper as not demonstrating "sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims."^[5] SARS-CoV-2 was made in a Chinese government laboratory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan

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8 minutes ago, tifino said:

the nearest equivalent to 'found in nature' and 'Human-made' are the recent claims made in Australia; that the Wuhan Virus is being 'detected' in Suburban Sewerage

- conveniently near the latest suburbs now being declared as HotSpots 

I remember when I had a sore throat and the lab conveniently "detected" streptococcus. It would have been quite inconvenient if they hadn't.

[tifino]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I remember when I had a sore throat and the lab conveniently "detected" streptococcus. It would have been quite inconvenient if they hadn't.

yes I had the opposite variant that affects the legs/skin/blood, which would have been even more so... 

[tifino]

but anyway; has 46 potentially now thrown the US from the Pan into the Fire; in copying Australias lead??

- and made them now equally threatened by CPC First Strike retaliation...

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2 hours ago, tifino said:

the nearest equivalent to 'found in nature' and 'Human-made' are the recent claims made in Australia; that the Wuhan Virus is being 'detected' in Suburban Sewerage

- conveniently near the latest suburbs now being declared as HotSpots 

anyway, that's not much of an equivalent unless bats are now using toilets

[Pattaya Spotter]

New reporting by the Washington Post (possible paywall):

 

Coronavirus ‘lab leak’ theory jumps from mocked to maybe

 

In the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus ripped through U.S. cities...a group of senior U.S. national security officials warily eyed a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology was well known...for its research on coronaviruses to defend against outbreaks like the SARS epidemic... But to some of the officials...the lab’s location in the same city where the coronavirus pandemic began was a troubling coincidence.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/wuhan-lab-leak-theory-intelligence-biden/2021/05/28/786d57ac-bfe6-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html

 

Edited May 30, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

New reporting by the Washington Post (possible paywall):

 

Coronavirus ‘lab leak’ theory jumps from mocked to maybe

 

In the spring of 2020, as the coronavirus ripped through U.S. cities...a group of senior U.S. national security officials warily eyed a laboratory in Wuhan, China. The Wuhan Institute of Virology was well known...for its research on coronaviruses to defend against outbreaks like the SARS epidemic... But to some of the officials...the lab’s location in the same city where the coronavirus pandemic began was a troubling coincidence.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/wuhan-lab-leak-theory-intelligence-biden/2021/05/28/786d57ac-bfe6-11eb-83e3-0ca705a96ba4_story.html

 

Until the source is proven, 100%, who knows.  But a vast majority of scientists say the jump from animals is close to a 99% probability.  China needs to open up so we can figure this thing out.  They should be penalized for not doing so.

[friendofthai]

As if the Wuhan were the only lab in the world that performs such research. Of course not. There are hundreds. Any true investigation is simply impossible here.
So if they found "the guilty country", the proof will be too secret to present it to the public. So folks will have to believe the gentlemen's word and rush to try on their new military uniform. Not a good option for sure.

[Pattaya Spotter]

Calls for further investigation of virus origin increase:

 

Leading scientist says that without a full investigation of lab leak theory, the world will face ‘covid-26 and covid-32’ Baylor University’s Peter Hotez adds his voice to a chorus that includes prominent Democrats and Republicans “There’s going to be covid-26 and covid-32 unless we fully understand the origins of covid-19,”

 

Peter Hotez, a professor of pediatrics and molecular virology and microbiology at Baylor University and a leading expert on the virus, said Sunday on NBC News’s “Meet The Press.” He said coming to firm conclusions about how the virus emerged was “absolutely essential” in preventing future pandemics.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/30/scientist-covid-19-lab-leak-investigation/

Edited May 30, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Jeffr2]

18 hours ago, friendofthai said:

As if the Wuhan were the only lab in the world that performs such research. Of course not. There are hundreds. Any true investigation is simply impossible here.
So if they found "the guilty country", the proof will be too secret to present it to the public. So folks will have to believe the gentlemen's word and rush to try on their new military uniform. Not a good option for sure.

It's hard to know exactly what Biden's reason was for making this public.  Some guesses are he wants to be transparent and get the truth about what happened.  As opposed to the previous president who said he had proof of things and never presented them.

 

If they can for 100% sure say where the virus came from, the conspiracy theorists will be forced to shut up.  Or, they'll be proven correct.

 

Seems the intelligence community has some info that may help shed light on what happened.  We'll see.  IMHO, he should have pursued this privately and then presented the info when it was confirmed.  IMHO, not a smart move by Biden.  IMHO.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

It's hard to know exactly what Biden's reason was for making this public.  Some guesses are he wants to be transparent and get the truth about what happened.  As opposed to the previous president who said he had proof of things and never presented them.

 

If they can for 100% sure say where the virus came from, the conspiracy theorists will be forced to shut up.  Or, they'll be proven correct.

 

Seems the intelligence community has some info that may help shed light on what happened.  We'll see.  IMHO, he should have pursued this privately and then presented the info when it was confirmed.  IMHO, not a smart move by Biden.  IMHO.

If the truth is it came from a lab I don't have high hopes of that info being shared with the world. 

[Jeffr2]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

If the truth is it came from a lab I don't have high hopes of that info being shared with the world. 

No, that's not the truth as NOBODY knows right now.  Scientists, who know more about this than you or I, say it's almost certainly from an animal.  But they can't say 100% for sure.

 

But no, I doubt China will share anything with the rest of the world.  So we may never know 100% for sure.

[tigerbeer]

On 5/28/2021 at 8:56 AM, rcuthbert said:

Google: Li-Meng Yan China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19

 

 

this must be the real batwoman. 

[friendofthai]

5 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

IMHO, he should have pursued this privately and then presented the info when it was confirmed.  IMHO, not a smart move by Biden.

I see such explanations several times every day. This is a common template in journalism actually. When they don't want to explain anything to the public, they just say that this is "not a smart move by...[name of a politician should be inserted here]". People read this and feel that they are even smarter than [name of a politician should be inserted here]. People like this feeling very much and stop asking inconvenient questions. But I think we should be smart enough to overcome this common template of journalism.
As it is seen by Russian military men, Biden is "a very smart and experienced enemy" that had made a huge contribution to "the biggest thing that has happened in the world in my life, in our lives, is this: By the grace of God, America won the cold war" (President Bush, 01/29/1992 https://www.nytimes.com/1992/01/29/us/state-union-transcript-president-bush-s-address-state-union.html ). 
It should become very clear to everyone that is it simply impossible to track down any dangerous virus or bacteria because billions PCR tests and IgG analysis are needed. For instance, the man "A" could have sent a COVID infected letter to the man "B" (similarly to 09/18/2001 in USA). So in order to exclude such a possibility it is necessary to analyze all the letters in all the trash cans in the city which is simply impossible.

 

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

No, that's not the truth as NOBODY knows right now.  Scientists, who know more about this than you or I, say it's almost certainly from an animal.

I agree. But it does not really matter. It has become very clear to anyone that the virus can ruin economics of many countries and the origin of it is impossible to be tracked down. Military men all over the world have seen that COVID is in fact a weapon of mass destruction that came from nature or from lab - does not matter from where. Is there any chance that military men just ignore this? No, there is not. Their job is to defend their people from such a threat. So we should expect thousands of scientists all over the world that are working on preventive protection agains bio-lab made COVID strains. And such a preventive protection research, of course, could be misinterpreted. So there is no chance that the Chinese government will share anything :

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

But no, I doubt China will share anything with the rest of the world.

So is any other country.
 

On 5/27/2021 at 6:15 AM, Pattaya Spotter said:

...his administration takes seriously the possibility that it was accidentally leaked from a lab...

What does it mean? It could mean 1) or 2):
1. They REALLY want to know what happened.
2. This could be just a part of a common war-initiation template, very similar to what we saw in the times of war in Iraq - a test tube containing the deadly  ̶v̶i̶r̶u̶s̶ bacteria presented by Colin Powell.

[candide]

On 5/27/2021 at 6:52 PM, Jingthing said:

There is bipartisan support for finding out the truth about the origin of Covid-19. However that doesn't mean that we ever will.

Exactly. It is unlikely it could be found externally, as there is no evidence that the virus has been modified in a lab. The only way it could be established would be by doing an investigation inside the lab, interviewing employees, etc... which will never happen.

Everybody knows that, including those calling for an investigation.

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, candide said:

It is unlikely it could be found externally, as there is no evidence that the virus has been modified in a lab.

People who parrot this statement of the Chinese and various self-interested scientists in the US don't understand the science or choose to ignore it. The evidence of possible laboratory modification of the Sars-Cov2 virus has been found in the virus RNA itself. Its not proven, however, if this modification is from a lab or a natural genetic mutation. Thus the calls for further investigation. 

Edited May 31, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post full of unsupported conspiracy theories and using a derogatory name for POTUS has been removed, If you wish your posts to remain up please use politicians correct names with no derogatory add on to suit your current beliefs.

[covidiot]

On 5/27/2021 at 9:56 PM, rcuthbert said:

Google: Li-Meng Yan China of intentionally manufacturing and releasing COVID-19

I Duck Duck Go'd it.

It's fake news, dude.

[impulse]

On 5/29/2021 at 12:06 AM, placeholder said:

I googled Li-Meng Yan. Did you?

Li-Meng Yan or Yan Limeng (simplified Chinese: 闫丽梦; traditional Chinese: 閆麗夢), is a Chinese ophthalmologist and virologist, known for publications and interviews alleging thatShe co-authored several preprint research papers,^[a] presenting conspiracy theories about the origin of SARS-CoV-2,^[9] stating that SARS-CoV-2 was "produced in a laboratory".^[9][10][11] These publications have been widely criticised by the wider scientific community.[4][5]...

According to a scientific review by the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, Yan's paper offered "contradictory and inaccurate information that does not support their argument",^[4] while four review articles published by MIT Press criticised the paper as not demonstrating "sufficient scientific evidence to support its claims."^[5] SARS-CoV-2 was made in a Chinese government laboratory.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Li-Meng_Yan

 

Does anyone believe the publicly compiled and edited wikipedia on a topic like this?

 

'Cause, if you do... I have a bridge for sale.

Edited May 31, 2021 by impulse

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1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Does anyone believe the publicly compiled and edited wikipedia on a topic like this?

Why is a topic like this special? You got something against footnotes? This person has made claims that are provably false. One thing we learned during the last few years is that the motivating power of truthiness:

Truthiness is the belief or assertion that a particular statement is true based on the intuition or perceptions of some individual or individuals, without regard to evidence, logic, intellectual examination, or facts.^[1][2] Truthiness can range from ignorant assertions of falsehoods to deliberate duplicity or propaganda intended to sway opinions.^[3][4]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness}

[impulse]

On 5/27/2021 at 7:41 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

Where was that support a year ago, when it was needed?

 

It was an election year, when Truth, Justice, and the American Way take a back seat to "getting our guy into office". 

 

In fact, they're not even allowed in the car.

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It was an election year, when Truth, Justice, and the American Way take a back seat to "getting our guy into office". 

 

In fact, they're not even allowed in the car.

 

They were too busy "following the science."

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6 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

It was an election year, when Truth, Justice, and the American Way take a back seat to "getting our guy into office". 

 

In fact, they're not even allowed in the car.

 

 

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

They were too busy "following the science."

So it was the fault of the Chinese that the threat posed by Covid was downplayed by some people?

[Kinnock]

On 5/28/2021 at 7:19 AM, sirineou said:

If it was an accident I don't see what assigning blame will accomplish other than  deteriorating relations, and increase of hate crimes on Asians by morons with an IQ in the double digit range. 

 

Knowing the origin will help focus prevention measures.

 

The world does not need a COVID-21

 

Creating a version of a bat virus in a lab that is designed to infect humans is probably something that needs better controls, and if it turns out to be a lab error, this will help implement better controls.

 

May also be the basis of the world's biggest class action ..... especially as the funding came from a US based institution.

 

 

[nemo38]

The virus was floating around for months before anyone noticed. It has been found in blood samples and sewage samples.

 

Covid 19 found in Sewage samples from March 2019:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

 

Covid 19 found in blood sample from Italy in Febuary 2019:

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201115/covid_19_circulated_in_italy_earlier_than_thought

 

This China origin story is just politics.

Why would the Chinese release such a mild corona-virus? In Wuhan they had an initial panic but now they are living quite normally. The problem  is the response which is killing our society.

 

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

31 minutes ago, nemo38 said:

Covid 19 found in blood sample from Italy in Febuary 2019:

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201115/covid_19_circulated_in_italy_earlier_than_thought

 

According to the study, Italy’s first documented COVID-19 patient was on Feb. 21 in a small town near Milan. However, the researchers knew the virus was likely circulating before that, so they analyzed blood samples of people enrolled in a lung cancer screening trial between September 2019 to March 2020.

 

English your second language? If you read for comprehension, you'll see the writer means February 21, 2020 is when the Sars-Cov2 virus was first documented in Italy. They then went back and tested blood drawn for a lung cancer study between September 2019 and March 2020 and found the virus there too. So it could have been brought to Italy as early as the Fall 2019...not February 2019 (7 months before the blood was even drawn ????????????). BTW...tens of thousands of Chinese nationals live in northern Italy and work and trade in the garment and leather industries, with lots of travel back and forth between the two countries.

Edited May 31, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[Pattaya Spotter]

24 minutes ago, nemo38 said:

Covid 19 found in Sewage samples from March 2019:

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science-idUSKBN23X2HQ

 

From the article:

 

Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China, the University of Barcelona said on Friday. The discovery of virus genome presence so early in Spain, if confirmed, would imply the disease may have appeared much earlier than the scientific community thought.

 

A sample, meaning one out of many...not a very robust sample size. And I suspect it was never confirmed, that's why we've not heard any more about it.