Thailand reports 6,519 new COVID-19 cases, 54 more deaths

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1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

We had fairly predictable  weekly spikes in lab processing results until recently.

 

what we had a couple of days ago was a sharp drop in lab results followed the next day by a big spike in lab results. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what happened.

A glitch for one day is not statistically significant. 

[FarFlungFalang]

I expect you to tell me how you know what they are doing how they are doing it and how much of it they are doing.You made the claim they weren't processing all the tests in one day so I'm asking how do you know?Are you guessing? If so say you are guessing instead of stating it as a fact.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

So you DO agree with my statement that relying on only hospital numbers is not sufficiently broad a metric, because other factors also come into play?

 

your always betting on black and being completely right…..until red comes up theory, is just too simplistic.

 

I am happy to agree that hospital admissions are an indicator. I am not blind to what you are saying. They USED to be a pretty good indicator amongst a bunch of others. But hospital admissions decreased in value substantially as an indicator once hospitals filled up and new beds were created out of nothing.

An earlier post indicated that a field hospital added 1,500 new beds, which creates an opportunity for another 1,500 cases to be recorded.

[wensiensheng]

35 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Of, you mean in the period in early May when new cases were flat or declining? 

 

I am so sorry for pointing that out at the time. 
 

edit: this graphic comes from https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Thank you for posting that graph which shows a rising trend of cases in may.

 

thanks also for pointing that out now, even if you failed to acknowledge it at the time.

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4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

We had fairly predictable  weekly spikes in lab processing results until recently.

 

what we had a couple of days ago was a sharp drop in lab results followed the next day by a big spike in lab results. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what happened.

Also, Sherlock Holmes would expect to see on the following day a big jump over the number previous to that sharp decline. In other words if day one is the day before the sharp drop, and day 2 is the day of the sharp drop, then day 3 should rise over day one by roughly the shortfall of day 2. Did that happen?

[wensiensheng]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

An earlier post indicated that a field hospital added 1,500 new beds, which creates an opportunity for another 1,500 cases to be recorded.

Ahh, so the deflection starts. Ignore what I posted because it made a valid point, start talking about something else.

 

THATS the danderman we know and love 5555

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Thank you for posting that graph which shows a rising trend of cases in may.

 

thanks also for pointing that out now, even if you failed to acknowledge it at the time.

My posts were made in early May, when cases were flat or declining.

[AndyFoxy]

50 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

Lol, at 1500 to 2k cases, as counted numbers steadily rose, you claimed they were stable and moving sideways. I distinctly remember drawing two red lines on a daily case count graph to show the rising trend within the daily ups and downs……and you still wouldn’t admit it.

 

and then there was the infamous we may have peaked comment.

Good call. Reminds me of Fauci.

Edited July 7, 2021 by AndyFoxy

[wensiensheng]

Just now, placeholder said:

Also, Sherlock Holmes would expect to see on the following day a big jump over the number previous to that sharp decline. In other words if day one is the day before the sharp drop, and day 2 is the day of the sharp drop, then day 3 should rise over day one by roughly the shortfall of day 2. Did that happen?

Don’t you realize, he has a direct line to all the labs in the country so he knows exactly what’s going on in each one of them, every single day.

 

from that information it’s easy to predict what is happening with the virus. Interestingly, on the whole it suggests rising cases. Who would have thought?

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, wensiensheng said:

Ahh, so the deflection starts. Ignore what I posted because it made a valid point, start talking about something else.

 

THATS the danderman we know and love 5555

Geez, I gave your post a “like”, do you really need me to reply with the words “I agree”?

 

i agree.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Also, Sherlock Holmes would expect to see on the following day a big jump over the number previous to that sharp decline. In other words if day one is the day before the sharp drop, and day 2 is the day of the sharp drop, then day 3 should rise over day one by roughly the shortfall of day 2. Did that happen?

You mean like this?

[wensiensheng]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

My posts were made in early May, when cases were flat or declining.

There were indeed flat or declining days. If you took off your blinkers and looked properly at the graph, or took off your ear muffs and listened, you would see that those days are within an overall rising trend line.

 

cases don’t have to go up everyday to be in a rising trend. You didn’t get it then, you obviously don’t get it now, even though cases have more than doubled.

Edited July 7, 2021 by wensiensheng

[Danderman123]

17 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

There were indeed flat or declining days. If you took off your blinkers and looked properly at the graph, or took off your ear muffs and listened, you would see that those days are within and overall rising trend line.

 

cases don’t have to go up everyday to be in a rising trend. You didn’t get it then, you obviously don’t get it now, even though cases have more than doubled.

Actually, after April 28, there were 2 flat or declining weeks, followed by a week with a small increase.

 

i am terribly sorry that there are people here who don’t like the numbers after April 28, or cannot remember them, but the numbers are the numbers. You can say they were wrong, but that is a different argument.

 

Here’s a chart from

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/friday-covid-update-another-record-high-61-deaths-and-6087-new-cases

Edited July 7, 2021 by Danderman123

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3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You mean like this?

But we've seen drops like that before with no following big jump. 

[anchadian]

BREAKING: A fully vaccinated tourist from UAE who came in on the #PhuketSandbox has tested positive for #COVID19. He was immediately transferred to a hospital for treatment. People in his group have been moved to an ALQ hotel where they will do 14-day quarantine #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1412613887774445569

 

[smedly]

59 minutes ago, rabas said:

gain you deflect with another number unrelated to the situation in Thailand. There is very little similarity between the US and Thailand. If you have a premise then back it with data and reasoning.

for gods sake do the right thing and stop feeding the troll

[Artisi]

You reap what you sow, 12 months back the numbers were supposedly low and I don't see any reason not to believe it, however the so-called undemocratic elected boffins sat on their collective a*ses while patting themselves on back congratulating themselves on what a good job their have done. They eased the lockdown but did nothing else like expediting the ordering of vaccines, other than sprouting off their non knowledge of the super Chinese vaccine that wasn't being ordered anyway - this along with encouraging travel throughout the country has resulted in the current fiasco now emerging. 

Well done government, what a great job you have done for your people. 

The only good thing that has come from it is, it wasn't the dirty farangs that caused the current upsurge in infections and deaths. 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

BREAKING: A fully vaccinated tourist from UAE who came in on the #PhuketSandbox has tested positive for #COVID19. He was immediately transferred to a hospital for treatment. People in his group have been moved to an ALQ hotel where they will do 14-day quarantine #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1412613887774445569

 

That was only a matter of time, although much quicker than expected given the low numbers that have entered via the sandbox model so far. There goes his vacation and that of the group he was with! Not a good promotional event for TAT

[DrJack54]

3 minutes ago, anchadian said:

. People in his group have been moved to an ALQ hotel where they will do 14-day quarantine #Thailand

Oh dear. Of course all on that flight would then need to fully quarantine. 

Bit foolish of me, just overlooked that scenario.

Big blow for potential sandbox customers.

I wouldn't do it.

What happens to their payment to hotels along with payments made for testing. 

 

[DrJack54]

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

for gods sake do the right thing and stop feeding the troll

Yep, good advice.

Actually bit embarrassed that I got sucked in and reacted with posting.

 

Waste of time and space. (not referring to the posts) 

[anchadian]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Oh dear. Of course all on that flight would then need to fully quarantine. 

Bit foolish of me, just overlooked that scenario.

Big blow for potential sandbox customers.

I wouldn't do it.

What happens to their payment to hotels along with payments made for testing. 

 

As with this government, I would guess there would be no refund from the original hotels and a further payment would be required for the ALQ hotel(s)

[anchadian]

It only needs one of the international travellers to break the rules and the #PhuketSandbox could then collapse like a house of cards. So much trust that these people are not forging their vaccine documents or sneaking away from their SHA+ approved hotels #Thailand

 

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Phuket Sandbox drama: Tourist flees hotel to find Thai wife https://aseannow.com/topic/1223096-phuket-sandbox-drama-tourist-flees-hotel-to-find-thai-wife…

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1412615397359030277

 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

As with this government, I would guess there would be no refund from the original hotels and a further payment would be required for the ALQ hotel(s)

Surely that wouldn't be the case? 

 

I hope not as would be such a kick in the guts.

It's even possible that some may have pre arranged meet up with family or partner. They are not all tourists.

Only a guess (based on nothing) my thinking many would be expats.

[smedly]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That was only a matter of time, although much quicker than expected given the low numbers that have entered via the sandbox model so far. There goes his vacation and that of the group he was with! Not a good promotional event for TAT

I wonder how many other people he has been in contact with since arriving in Thailand 

[Danderman123]

29 minutes ago, placeholder said:

But we've seen drops like that before with no following big jump. 

Okay. There is a problem with your suggested methodology, which is:

 

Day 1: low numbers

Day 2: spike

Day 3: even higher numbers.

 

under this scenario, you stated that the day 1 numbers would be an artifact of low lab processing.

 

The problem is that the Day 3 in our case is today, but there cannot be higher numbers because the official  numbers are limited by capacity.

Edited July 7, 2021 by Danderman123

[Phuketshrew]

Quick question: Are Thai's flying into the Phuket Sandbox subject to the same strict rules as foreigners?

[ThailandRyan]

28 minutes ago, anchadian said:

BREAKING: A fully vaccinated tourist from UAE who came in on the #PhuketSandbox has tested positive for #COVID19. He was immediately transferred to a hospital for treatment. People in his group have been moved to an ALQ hotel where they will do 14-day quarantine #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1412613887774445569

 

Oh no, the tourist has brought the virus in with him/her and now Anutin will start in again on the fact that the dirty foreigners have now started a new wave since we had the other waves nearly curtailed....yes sarcasm, but spoiler alert for the Phuket Sandbox.

[smedly]

Just now, Phuketshrew said:

Quick question: Are Thai's flying into the Phuket Sandbox subject to the same strict rules as foreigners?

different rules for anyone travelling to Phuket from inside Thailand - no vaccine required but must show a neg covid test in the last 7 days

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, smedly said:

I wonder how many other people he has been in contact with since arriving in Thailand 

How many of the hotel staff that were only vaccinated with one jab were in contact, and better yet which variant was he discovered with.  Waiting for the update saying it was a false positive.  I also wonder what vaccines this person was vaccinated with.  My bad if it was listed somewhere and I did not see it.

[Phuketshrew]

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

different rules for anyone travelling to Phuket from inside Thailand - no vaccine required but must show a neg covid test in the last 7 days

No, I'm referring to Thai's returning form international destinations on the same flights as the "tourists".