Burma Bill Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, mvdf said: The EU is notoriously restrictive on extraditions to non-EU countries. Yes indeed, but please remember the murderer is British and no longer an EU subject, so easy for Spain to extradite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Inala said: with no DNA evidence, you would not think there is a strong case against him. This is Thailand, foreigners are easy targets to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Burma Bill said: Yes indeed, but please remember the murderer is British and no longer an EU subject, so easy for Spain to extradite! Yes do remember that this process started long before the UK separated. So i doubt it has anything to do with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: All the evidence appears to be circumstantial. Not really. The DNA and the stones used to weigh the body down (if they can be proven to be linked) are physical, not circumstantial evidence. Also, if there is evidence from the taxi driver, that is testmonial, not circumstantial evidence. 15 types of evidence 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, BritManToo said: This is Thailand, foreigners are easy targets to blame. Right if this was about easy targets why choose someone who has fled and that it brings a lot of work and attention to the Thai police. So this guy certainly was no easy target. Many courts wanted him extradited as they saw enough proof. But he kept appealing. Finally there were no more appeals. So don't forget not just 1 court but many thought it was enough evidence. Plus your easy target makes no sense in this case as they had to do a lot more work on this one. Easy would have been to let him go. Its not as if the parents of the bar girl had influence. So no pressure on them. Pretty sure that they have good evidence else they would not go through all this trouble for someone without influence or financial gain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Burma Bill said: Yes indeed, but please remember the murderer is British and no longer an EU subject, so easy for Spain to extradite! What has changed since the UK left the E.U( in regards to Spain extraditing people to Thailand) ? The U.K has had extradition agreements with Thailand for over 100 years . Is the U.K leaving the E.U relevant to this guys extradition ? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surelynot Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: ( in regards to Spain extraditing people to Thailand) Good job you slotted that bit in.....555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nong Khai Man Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said: I've sat chatting with convicted murderers in Bangkok bars (on more than several occasions, and with different people) and didn't have a clue what they were capable of until I either read in the news that they had been arrested or saw arrest warrants on interpol or similar sites. I also met a convicted murderer in Pattaya who had served his sentence in the UK and was living as an expat with a small business. People aren't always what they appear to be, especially in Thailand. People aren't always what they appear to be, especially in Thailand.......Correct Especially ALL Those Ex SAS & Special Forces Blokes !! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanuk711 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Kerryd said: Pretty sure he can be given a death sentence. Can not be given death sentence..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: He gave a valid alibi and was subsequently released . He was released, escaped back to the UK, then the Thai police wanted him back for more questioning, but sensibly he refused to return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shackleton Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Well if found guilty which is probably the case deserves to be locked up for a few years in a Thai prison Then no doubt will be extradited back to the UK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted July 13, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2021 Just now, BritManToo said: He was released, escaped back to the UK, then the Thai police wanted him back for more questioning, but sensibly he refused to return. Yes, he was a witness and they publicly wanted him to answer more questions . Well , they knew that he knew who really did it , so, they wanted him out the way and didn't want him to reveal any incriminating evidence against the real perpetrators . Him giving Court evidence would have caused the trial of the B2 to collapses . He was an unwanted witness , rather than a suspect . 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, robblok said: Yea sure would not be a fellow Brit and one with the same hobby as you your defending. The European Court of Human Rights sitting in Strasbourg ruled on May 25 that Looker should be extradited from Spain to face justice in Thailand. They cited extensive case files submitted by the Royal Thai Police in Bangkok which allegedly proved that Looker was the man who had murdered the Thai woman. Thai authorities have also reportedly offered assurances required under EU law that Looker will not be mistreated or face the death penalty if found guilty. Seems the European court who has far more information then you and deemed that there is enough evidence. Nothing fishy with a defendant not wanting to speak hoping that there wont be enough evidence. I hope the evidence is solid and this guy gets his punishment. Yeah you said all that before, presumably you are referring to scuba diving, as if someone would defend someone because they are also Brit and a scuba diver, i guess that's your reality. It all sounds fishy to me, not to all I appreciate but then again some are away with the fairies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 1 hour ago, giddyup said: Does there have to be a motive? not in Thailand it seems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, inThailand said: There are probably more criminals or future criminals on TV then in the bars? we shouldn't be surprised it's Thailand after all, they let anyone in, turns out at least 1 of my friends has been to prison in UK, another guy in a bar had done a stint in prison here Edited July 13, 2021 by scubascuba3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudger1951 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 The motive is inside this mans head. What went on inside the mind of Peter Sutcliffe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retsdon Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Lots of posters are condemning this fellow, but I'd be curious to know what evidence there is against him. He left Nana or wherever with her, and she supposedly had his DNA under her fingernails. But surely there should be more, because it's a massive jump from that to cutting someone up and dumping them in a suitcase. In my younger days, there were periods when at any time of the day or night you could probably have lined up half a dozen bar girls with my DNA about their person somewhere or other. Can't say it ever once crossed my mind to murder any of them through.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 4 hours ago, sanuk711 said: 5 hours ago, mvdf said: The EU is notoriously restrictive on extraditions to non-EU countries. I wonder if the fact that the UK is not EU now had any bearing on that........ Yes, he's a Brit but wasn't he arrested and extradited from Spain which is in the EU? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 51 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said: Yeah you said all that before, presumably you are referring to scuba diving, as if someone would defend someone because they are also Brit and a scuba diver, i guess that's your reality. It all sounds fishy to me, not to all I appreciate but then again some are away with the fairies I was talking about your other hobby. Thankfully the judges in the courts that thought there was sufficient evidence for a trial are better informed and probably not as bias as you are. Anyway lets wait for the trial to see what kind of other evidence there is. Im pretty sure you will have to reconsider once more evidence comes out. Then again some people will never believe the truth even if it hits them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cereal Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Thus story sounds a little fishy to me. What guy goes to Thailand and snags a 31 year old bar girl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, retsdon said: In my younger days, there were periods when at any time of the day or night you could probably have lined up half a dozen bar girls with my DNA about their person somewhere or other. Can't say it ever once crossed my mind to murder any of them through.. Thats why you havent been arrested for murder , but did they find any of your girls dead just after with your DNA under their fingernails ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Meeseeks Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Thats why you havent been arrested for murder , but did they find any of your girls dead just after with your DNA under their fingernails ? How did he leave Thailand if they found DNA under his fingernails? Surely he would have been detained as a suspect until the results came back or at least have his passport confiscated and not allowed to leave the country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: How did he leave Thailand if they found DNA under his fingernails? Surely he would have been detained as a suspect until the results came back or at least have his passport confiscated and not allowed to leave the country? No, they found HIS DNA under the deceased girls finger nails and he fled across the border to Malaysia as they were searching for him 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kerryd said: Pretty sure he can be given a death sentence. However, it has been the practise of the courts to commute it to a life sentence afterwards, or it is done when the next Royal Pardon is issued. If I recall, I did some research on this just a couple years ago after reading about Michael Karas. A career criminal from Canada who came to Thailand using "stolen" ID and shacked up with a local girl for a year. Then one day they had an argument and he "snapped her neck like a twig", after which he mutilated her face (hoping she wouldn't be recognized then dismembered her body and hauled the pieces to a nearby swamp. I think that was (or used to be) a death penalty sentence in itself (mutilating/dismembering a corpse). He can't be given the death sentence because they have to agree in advance that prosecutors will not seek the death penalty to get extradition from EU countries and the UK. If prosecutors don't seek it, it won't be imposed. If Thailand reneged on this deal they would give up their rights to extradite people from the EU in capital cases indefinitely. Edited July 13, 2021 by Dogmatix 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Doesn't seem any obvious motive, if he had just picked her up. Either he travelled to Thailand with intent to act out fantasy to murder a hooker, or something happened to make him lose his temper and murder her. Very odd case and very sad for her family who must now be reliving the horror but at least have some chance of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritManToo Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Dogmatix said: Either he travelled to Thailand with intent to act out fantasy to murder a hooker, or something happened to make him lose his temper and murder her. ..... or someone else did it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerryd Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Dogmatix said: He can't be given the death sentence because they have agree in advance that prosecutors will not seek the death penalty to get extradition from EU countries and the UK. If prosecutors don't seek it, it won't be imposed. If Thailand reneged on this deal they would give up their rights to extradite people from the EU in capital cases indefinitely. True enough. I was thinking of someone who was caught in Thailand. I remember the case of Rakesh Saxena, the Indian that caused the "Asian Flu" banking crisis back in 1997 and the collapse of the Bangkok Bank of Commerce. He couldn't return to India (facing criminal charges there including homicide and extortion) so he did the next best thing any criminal could do. He fled to Canada. And that resulted in the longest extradition process in Canadian history. It took 13 YEARS before Canada was finally able to get rid of him, despite Thailand's assurances that they would not seek the death penalty. Every time a court would rule to extradite him, he'd appeal it to the next higher level, which would throw out the lower court ruling and they'd have to start over again. And in all that time, he was running around Canada and getting involved in other criminal matters (like trying to finance a coup in Sierra Leone and running a boiler room scam targeting seniors in Canada). As he wasn't charged with a crime in Canada, they couldn't jail him and he agreed to finance his own security (using the money he'd embezzled/stole/defrauded from Thailand). (He ended up only being sentenced to 10 years in prison and ordered to pay a $41 million fine. He should be out next year. Wonder if they'll send him back to India.) Edited July 13, 2021 by Kerryd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobinBKK Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 19 hours ago, scubascuba3 said: i wonder why he is being "uncooperative" personally this case is very fishy, he allegedly just meets this girl then kills and dismembers her, what's the motive? most likely a jealous ex boyfriend involved My thoughts exactly... Like I would believe the facts presented by Thais? 5555555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, Dogmatix said: Doesn't seem any obvious motive, if he had just picked her up. Either he travelled to Thailand with intent to act out fantasy to murder a hooker, or something happened to make him lose his temper and murder her. Very odd case and very sad for her family who must now be reliving the horror but at least have some chance of justice. yeah lost his temper killed her and dismembered her, kinda thing you do when you lose your temper, with a temper like that he must have killed loads already 555 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerritkaew Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 good for him 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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