People are not being responsible enough after lifting of lockdown measures, official says

[gk10012001]

9 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Once most of the population is vaccinated, then there will be huge daily infection spikes, probably much bigger than those already recorded.

The time has come to learn to live with Covid, not hide away from it.

vaccinated or not, it is time to move on.  The entire world is never going to be fully vaccinated.  And even if many more are vaccinated, the need for booster shots, the fading of the vaccine effectiveness with time aginst old or new variants are all issues that are not going away.  The human race may just have to tough this one out.  RNA vaccines are interesting, but may be just a monster profit enterprise

[zzaa09]

From the very beginning, it was up to the respective societies to keep things in check by observing simple mitigation protocols. 

These practices have obviously been a failure, as the surges come and go - and then return again as populations relax and become complacent and weary. All this has been evident worldwide for the last 18 months. 

 

It's not a terribly complex thing to figure out - if the virus doesn't have hosts to allow it to spread from here to there, it won't. 

As an evolved species, one could imagine that eventually get this - the whys and wherefores. 

I guess not.

[Ginner]

9 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Once most of the population is vaccinated, then there will be huge daily infection spikes, probably much bigger than those already recorded.

The time has come to learn to live with Covid, not hide away from it.

The UK had over 70% of its population fully vaccinated and there infection rate was 30% higher than Thailand's in August. Plus the supermarkets could help by opening moor check outs. Lotus at 5 pm, 3 check outs open. 

[steevjee]

9 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Once most of the population is vaccinated, then there will be huge daily infection spikes, probably much bigger than those already recorded.

The time has come to learn to live with Covid, not hide away from it.

Not in Thailand it hasn't, with only 10% vaccinated they are miles off.

At the current rate they wont be safe enough for at least 6 months, sure they'll try but they'll also fail, with lots of death and misery along the way

[Thumbs]

Here we go again! Carelessness by the people! 
 

what about incompetence by you and your ministry? All the recent rises have been due to factories and building camps being permitted to remain open, my village now has a few families in isolation due to covid at a pig processing plant

 

rises in covid infections are helping your screwed up vaccination program, 14,700 people closer to herd immunity 

 

The numbers that matter are those seriously I’ll and dying of complications due to covid, those numbers could be significantly reduced if the ministry of health pulled their finger from their butt and concentrated of ensuring the elderly and at risk are vaccinated 

[connda]

"People are not being responsible enough after lifting of lockdown measures, official says."

Well just lock up all the dirty commoners up again - forever.  Little people don't need freedom...they need servitude and an iron fist to lead them.

I walked though Chiang Mai today.  What a freaking train wreak. Businesses not decimated - one out of 10 business destroyed would have been as sign of growth.
No.  How about 1 out of every 5 business are still open and gasping for life with everything else closed and shutter?  And that's a conservative estimate?  The tourist areas are destroyed, and "No", they aren't going to recover as long as government "safety measures" are imposed.
"We must stay safe!"
No you don't - you need wake up, you need to open it all back up and let the chips fall where they may.

The government can anoint themselves as saviors - but they will continue to destroy the economy and livelihoods of the Thai small and medium size business class well into the future. Hell - even large corporate hotels are closed.  It looked like a war zone.  In fact, I've been in war zones that have looked more robust. Freaking amazing.
Tokenism will become the banner they wave at the front of their propaganda and marketing campaigns - "All will return to Normal 6 weeks from now if all you commoners will just obey!!!" , they will say from one side of their mouths as they extol the virtues of New Normal Austerity from the other.
The people telling you that all will be well in 6 weeks told you that they only needed 6 weeks to flatten the curve - 15 months ago.  This doesn't end.
Thapae Road is a testament to where the New Normal leaders of tomorrow are taking the world - today.  It's a wreak of biblical proportions.  Recover?  I personally have a number of friends and acquaintances who are now out of business - New Normal.  It's not going to recover.  The lives of countless business people have already been destroyed.  Happy-talk isn't going to bring it back.  Further restrictions aren't going to bring it back.  New Normal ain't gonna bring it back.  Endless fear is not going to bring it back.

[Ralf001]

There will be no spike as they will ramp up the current downward trend of testing fewer people to lower to declared infection numbers.

[zzaa09]

The great natural advantage that the virus attains is that it's not political/scientific of mind. 

[Tonypandy]

Another health official needs to get in his worth. These guys are paid for speaking the obvious 

[mommysboy]

3 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The U.S.'s current experience would seem to argue against your position. Lots of people have been vaccinated and fully vaccinated there. And the vaccines for some time now have been readily available to those who want them (in your words, everyone who wants a vaccine, gets a vaccine)."

 

However, that still leaves a sizable minority overall, and a majority in some certain vaccine skeptic areas, of people who aren't getting vaccinated despite abundant supplies. And what's happening? A resurgent pandemic of the unvaccinated, with rebounding illness and hospitalizations in those areas.

 

And as a result, now many communities there beginning to reimpose mandatory mask wearing rules and other kinds of preventive restrictions, even for the fully vaccinated. Because, having vaccines for everyone who "wants" a vaccine alone isn't going to be enough to stop the march of the coronavirus.

 

 

 

It's a little similar in the UK.  I suppose what will happen in the end is that the vast majority who survive have natural antibodies.  Certainly there comes a time when it is possible to 'live with the virus' to coin a phrase.  But imo it is going to be like living with a bad flu season 12 months a year.

[mommysboy]

58 minutes ago, steevjee said:

Not in Thailand it hasn't, with only 10% vaccinated they are miles off.

At the current rate they wont be safe enough for at least 6 months, sure they'll try but they'll also fail, with lots of death and misery along the way

That's a sure fire certainty! 

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Not sure what part of my prior post you were actually disagreeing with... 

 

But regarding your comment, yes, everyone should be vaccinated because that's the best protection currently available against serious illness and death from COVID.

 

However, as I mentioned above, even being fully vaccinated is not a panacea, especially with Delta and potential future variants. Even people who are fully vaccinated can still spread Delta quite well to unprotected people who they come into close contact with.

 

As for death and illness being within so-called social norms, that's a nifty idea, until potentially someone who's fully vaccinated ends up spreading Delta to a spouse or child and they end up getting seriously ill or die.

 

That's the risk people are running when they wrongly begin to think that being fully vaccinated is somehow their ticket to cease all forms of other prevention measures like masks, social distancing, etc.

 

There's no doubt that vaccines greatly help, particularly in reducing serious illness in over 60's.  The effect was spectacular in the UK.  It's not a panacea for preventing infection, but is almost one for preventing deaths.

 

Pity Thailand can't see it that way though!

[zzaa09]

41 minutes ago, Tonypandy said:

Another health official needs to get in his worth. These guys are paid for speaking the obvious 

Not obvious to most.

[riclag]

11 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Once most of the population is vaccinated, then there will be huge daily infection spikes, probably much bigger than those already recorded.

The time has come to learn to live with Covid, not hide away from it.

Tell that to the Govt ! They must learn to live  with it as well !

 For starters ,stop with covid insurance ,thats required  !  A money making scheme

Edited September 8, 2021 by riclag

[bangon04]

9 hours ago, samtam said:

International quarantine will not even be reduced for the Beijing Winter Olympics in February 2022. 

At least the CCP will be able to claim the biggest medal tally and world supremacy if they do not allow anyone else in......

[wensiensheng]

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The U.S.'s current experience would seem to argue against your position. Lots of people have been vaccinated and fully vaccinated there. And the vaccines for some time now have been readily available to those who want them (in your words, everyone who wants a vaccine, gets a vaccine)."

 

However, that still leaves a sizable minority overall, and a majority in some certain vaccine skeptic areas, of people who aren't getting vaccinated despite abundant supplies. And what's happening? A resurgent pandemic of the unvaccinated, with rebounding illness and hospitalizations in those areas.

 

And as a result, now many communities there beginning to reimpose mandatory mask wearing rules and other kinds of preventive restrictions, even for the fully vaccinated. Because, having vaccines for everyone who "wants" a vaccine alone isn't going to be enough to stop the march of the coronavirus.

 

 

 

I think the same could be said of the UK.
 

But…….if everyone who wants a vaccine, has had a vaccine, that then leaves those who don’t want it, for whatever reason. And, as you say, the virus will march on. And those who have been vaccinated will, if science proves correct, suffer severe symptoms in a very small percentage and those who choose not to be vaccinated will suffer severe symptoms in a higher percentage. For the latter group, that is their choice.

 

the same can be said of, say whooping cough. Those who choose to vaccinate their children are very rarely troubled, those who choose not to vaccinate their children, suffer in higher numbers.

 

I think my overall point is that this virus will march on. Vaccinated, unvaccinated, the virus will continue to march on. So at what point does society decide that the virus no longer requires it to take such measures as closing schools and closing down economies? Is it when absolutely no one dies from the virus? I think that’s unrealistic and if one compares Covid to other viruses, the others are not targeted for zero deaths.

 

I don’t pretend that I know what the answer is, but I really don’t think that zero deaths and zero cases is in any way realistic. Society will need to resume some level of normality prior to that point for the simple reason that zero deaths and cases will never be achieved. 

[joecoolfrog]

7 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Vaccination alone will not be the panacea against covid infection. Israel and Singapore have shown that even with high percentage population vaccinated, the people should not abandon the basic requirement for masking, washing hands and social distancing. 

I have not heard any Scientific expert talk in terms of eliminating infections , it is nigh on impossible.

What a high rate of vaccination does , and that has always been the goal , is to lessen the severity of infection.

Consequently hospitalisations and deaths fall , the pressure on health resources slacken and restrictions can be largely lifted.

At that point infections are in effect manageable .

[joecoolfrog]

3 hours ago, Ginner said:

The UK had over 70% of its population fully vaccinated and there infection rate was 30% higher than Thailand's in August. Plus the supermarkets could help by opening moor check outs. Lotus at 5 pm, 3 check outs open. 

Im afraid your comparison is severely flawed.

The UK is testing 10x the number of people that Thailand is , so the percentage of positives is in fact much lower.

In addition a vaccinated population will generally generate less severe infections , leading to less hospitalisation , death and pressure on health resources.

[charmonman]

People not being responsible? That is pretty much a given, anywhere in the world. Many are just trying to find a way to survive, with virtually no help from the very responsible people in the government.

[DBath]

"People are not being responsible enough after lifting of lockdown measures..."

 

Says the the government official whose administration has failed miserably at rolling out vaccines to said people.

[zzaa09]

5 hours ago, charmonman said:

People not being responsible? That is pretty much a given, anywhere in the world. Many are just trying to find a way to survive, with virtually no help from the very responsible people in the government.

I believe there might be a growing sense from all circles that we are just going have to accept that it's here and going to be around for a while - live with it a getting on with our lives. 

We're not going to reach this already ridiculous and mythical ideal of a herd immunity [whatever the <deleted> that is]. 

Spinning our wheels in the grandeur attempts. 

 

Science is beginning to refer to it as endemic. 

[Keesters]

16 hours ago, welshissan said:

It's funny how you always see just farangs not wearing masks correctly

Because they stand out like a sore thumb. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

13 hours ago, steevjee said:

Not in Thailand it hasn't, with only 10% vaccinated they are miles off.

At the current rate they wont be safe enough for at least 6 months, sure they'll try but they'll also fail, with lots of death and misery along the way

This.

 

A complete botch job from start to finish and now they are blame-shifting to the people so they can shirk responsibility for their failures yet again.

 

This administration genuinely makes me nauseous. ????

Edited September 9, 2021 by Mr Meeseeks

[0815]

One thing most of you improved during Covid.
To verbally attack each other. FOOLS !

[johnarth]

it has already been reported (by doctors) that people that have had 2 jabs are spreading the virus, let that sink in

[richard_smith237]

8 minutes ago, johnarth said:

it has already been reported (by doctors) that people that have had 2 jabs are spreading the virus, let that sink in

Interesting wording.. 

 

“Reported by doctors that people that have had 2 Jabs are spreading the virus” which seems to imply that dual vaxxed people are running around spreading Covid-19... 

 

In reality, doctors have reported that ‘it is still possible for Dual Vaccinated individuals to transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus’......

 

Everyone already knows that vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. Depending on the degree of anti vaccine bias, what is often left out of the comment is that those who are vaccinated have a far lower probability of contracting and spreading Covid-19 than those who are unvaccinated. 

 

 

Edited September 9, 2021 by richard_smith237

[Will B Good]

1 hour ago, 0815 said:

One thing most of you improved during Covid.
To verbally attack each other. FOOLS !

I'm not convinced I have seen any improvement.

 

Most people on here have always been quite proficient at verbally attacking each other.

[NoshowJones]

21 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

Ah you may be right but who elected them???

 

They are correct though in that Thais just like almost every other country the people are their own worst enemy.

 

Talked to friends in Ontario and they want to kill everyone that lives in Toronto.  There is s pike the government acts with lockdown or minimize action.

People complain 

Government lowers the restrictions and people go out partying and acting like nothing happened.

 

Same thing happened in Thonglor.

 

 

 

 

"Ah you may be right but who elected them???". What sort of a question is that? Are you seriously saying you don't know how this Military government managed to obtain power?

[l4ml4m]

and soon some idiots as idiots as those in EU and US will tell vaccinated people that mask is not needed anymore...

how can all these people be so retarded ? why aren't they sent to a court for a fair trial ?

 

 

[Ralf001]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Interesting wording.. 

 

“Reported by doctors that people that have had 2 Jabs are spreading the virus” which seems to imply that dual vaxxed people are running around spreading Covid-19... 

 

In reality, doctors have reported that ‘it is still possible for Dual Vaccinated individuals to transmit the SARS-CoV-2 virus’......

 

Everyone already knows that vaccinated people can still transmit the virus. Depending on the degree of anti vaccine bias, what is often left out of the comment is that those who are vaccinated have a far lower probability of contracting and spreading Covid-19 than those who are unvaccinated. 

 

 

All staff here at my work are double jabbed... Daily the rate of people off work because they have tested positive is on the rise.