3 hours ago, khunPer said:

Do you think flocks of tourists will invade Bangkok, if the open October 1st..?

Probably not, but any money is good money at the moment.

38 minutes ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

Probably not, but any money is good money at the moment.

So compared to the risk of another Covid-wave and lockdown, is some small "any money" for a month or so worth the risk..?

36 minutes ago, khunPer said:

So compared to the risk of another Covid-wave and lockdown, is some small "any money" for a month or so worth the risk..?

We're still in the middle of the wave. As they are vaccinating more and more, numbers have lowered (not enough I agree).

 

Now, think about business owners who rely on volume. 1.04% chance of dying from Covid (as numbers stand in Thailand) or 100% chance to close down after getting under so much debt that it'll be impossible to go afloat again. And they'll probably have to keep paying back even after bankruptcy.

 

You and me are probably not affected by these numbers, but millions here are.

 

As I said, I'm all for waiting another month if results can be concrete. But you'll have to agree with me that whatever the government says doesn't mean it's going to be real...

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New flag for Thai National Ass-embly....

 

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2 hours ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

We're still in the middle of the wave. As they are vaccinating more and more, numbers have lowered (not enough I agree).

 

Now, think about business owners who rely on volume. 1.04% chance of dying from Covid (as numbers stand in Thailand) or 100% chance to close down after getting under so much debt that it'll be impossible to go afloat again. And they'll probably have to keep paying back even after bankruptcy.

 

You and me are probably not affected by these numbers, but millions here are.

 

As I said, I'm all for waiting another month if results can be concrete. But you'll have to agree with me that whatever the government says doesn't mean it's going to be real...

I don't have to agree with you...????

 

Business in Bangkok don't depend that much of tourism as for example the typical tourist destinations like Pattaya, Phuket, Hua Hin and Samui. Bangkok depends mainly on domestic demand. Easing local restrictions might be more important than opening for both domestic commuting from other provinses - commuting people spreads virus - and tourists, the latter are presumably hardly there in huge numbers at the moment. Both Brits and Chinese face quarantine when returning, so they will be next to nothing, and Phuket's number of arrivals during the Sandbox have not been that amazing as predicted.

 

After 1½ year with various restrictions, then another month, to get the vaccination percentage up, is a relative short period. Based on domestic experience from Bangkok area, a new cluster can easily break out if precautions are not in place, and a new rapid spread of virus might result in further restrictions.

 

That's the risk I'm mentioning. Is a small increase in financial turnover right now worth it?

7 minutes ago, khunPer said:

I don't have to agree with you...????

 

Business in Bangkok don't depend that much of tourism as for example the typical tourist destinations like Pattaya, Phuket, Hua Hin and Samui. Bangkok depends mainly on domestic demand. Easing local restrictions might be more important than opening for both domestic commuting from other provinses - commuting people spreads virus - and tourists, the latter are presumably hardly there in huge numbers at the moment. Both Brits and Chinese face quarantine when returning, so they will be next to nothing, and Phuket's number of arrivals during the Sandbox have not been that amazing as predicted.

 

After 1½ year with various restrictions, then another month, to get the vaccination percentage up, is a relative short period. Based on domestic experience from Bangkok area, a new cluster can easily break out if precautions are not in place, and a new rapid spread of virus might result in further restrictions.

 

That's the risk I'm mentioning. Is a small increase in financial turnover right now worth it?

Again, I'm not disagreeing with you in numbers.

 

But man, did you walk in Sukhumvit lately? Nana to Phrom Phong is full of people laying down on the sidewalks...

 

Again, you may not realize it, but Bangkok and many of its hotels and businesses need tourists. Otherwise, I wouldn't have gotten vouchers in 5* hotels for less than 1,000 baht. Trust me, if you were one of the affected people, you'd scream for borders to open freely.

 

But as we established, we don't have to agree on everything and debate is one way we can make things go forward ????

19 hours ago, hotchilli said:

General havoc is in charge.

I thought that it was Major disaster.

Just now, billd766 said:

I thought that it was Major disaster.

He's the deputy

14 hours ago, khunPer said:

So compared to the risk of another Covid-wave and lockdown, is some small "any money" for a month or so worth the risk..?

IMHO it is really not worth the risk at all.

 

17 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

wrong post

 

18 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

He's the deputy

And here is his photo.

How much money would flow into the country if "tourists" are allowed to come in without quarantine? I guess billions.

 

And how many fully vaccinated and PCR pre-tested "tourist" did spread the virus so far? I guess close to zero.

 

So if you add this up I think the risk is acceptable to let them in.