18 hours ago, Atlantis said:

Do excuse me for not replying earlier to your comments. I'd put you on Ignore a while back, can't remember exactly why now.

I can see why many of a certain political persuasion would describe them as that. They're pretty aggressive themselves. But may I just point out that if I am correct about your political biases, then watching Fox News to supplement whatever else it is you watch is even more useful than if you were, say, a Trump loyalist.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but people bash "Fox News", they typically mean the guys the Opinion / Commentary, especially anchors like Hannity / Tucker. The actual News section isn't that bad at all. And like I said earlier, its becoming increasingly crucial as many of the other networks deliberate fail to report inconvenient stories and even push actual misinformation - when they really Should.Know.Better.

 

It's more accurate to say they changed their approach after being sued numerous times for make and support false information and outright lies during trumps presidency

1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said:

Whilst the thread is mainly concentrating (quite rightly) on the exceedingly toxic 'Fox News'..may I put in a plug for it's Antipodean Murdoch stablemate 'Sky News' that plays the same role in Australia along with it's talkback radio affiliates?Australia is very badly served by its servile right wing media.

I'll try to find the article. Basically saying Sky News  AU found out they could make more money imitating Fox.

 

Sad times when people follow these toxic outlets designed to break apart our society .

Jeffr & Chomper: i already got that opinion but you havent addressed my points at all…..just continuing to bash Fox & TC as the messenger not tackling the issues.. Lefty MSM simply never raise those important subjects.

 

They also never tackle Illegal Immigration as most ordinary folk see it. Replacement Theory is nonsense. But the 10 mill illegal migrants is 3% total US pop. ( but falling since 2010 peak) IS a legit concern as the 1 mill annual inflow, which Fox excessively calls an Invasion, has increased since Dems allowed them in to US for processing, an obvious nonsense and law breach, as determined by Supreme Court. CNN crowd just criticise that ruling not Biden for illegally opening the border like that. 

5 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

Jeffr & Chomper: i already got that opinion but you havent addressed my points at all…..just continuing to bash Fox & TC as the messenger not tackling the issues.. Lefty MSM simply never raise those important subjects.

 

They also never tackle Illegal Immigration as most ordinary folk see it. Replacement Theory is nonsense. But the 10 mill illegal migrants is 3% total US pop. ( but falling since 2010 peak) IS a legit concern as the 1 mill annual inflow, which Fox excessively calls an Invasion, has increased since Dems allowed them in to US for processing, an obvious nonsense and law breach, as determined by Supreme Court. CNN crowd just criticise that ruling not Biden for illegally opening the border like that. 

Lefty MSM? An absolutely ridiculous statement.

 

You seem to be extremely biased towards the right.  Extreme biases either way are sad.

 

P.S. CNN does cover these issues. But not like the right wing media outlets who use them like clickbait. Don't fall for it.

“Australia is very badly served by its servile right wing media.”

 

No. Its badly served by its dangerous socialist state governors.

Elected  and Relected by its people,just as in NZ, so lie in that bed then….

federal,govt will overrule anything the states do thats not in Oz national imterest

Sky News Australia…..keep up the good work

5 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Australia is very badly served by its servile right wing media.”

 

No. Its badly served by its dangerous socialist state governors.

Elected  and Relected by its people,just as in NZ, so lie in that bed then….

federal,govt will overrule anything the states do thats not in Oz national imterest

Sky News Australia…..keep up the good work

Your extreme, and incorrect, bias has been exposed.

more generalities without substantiation. bashing only conservative media again.

not addressing the arguments at all.not a word concerning CNN or BBC bias for example.

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

more generalities without substantiation. bashing only conservative media again.

not addressing the arguments at all.not a word concerning CNN or BBC bias for example.

Come on. I'm no fan of any MSM outlet. Other than the NY Times. Only in print. No talking bubble heads.

 

Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.

4 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Your extreme, and incorrect, bias has been exposed.

It certainly is the full package isn't it?

Bought to us courtesy of Rupert....????

6 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

more generalities without substantiation. bashing only conservative media again.

not addressing the arguments at all.not a word concerning CNN or BBC bias for example.

In the USA, conservatives are even sacrificing some of their own base with disinformation about a pandemic. Collateral damage. They are "owning the Libs" one funeral at a time.

 

Conservatives are outnumbered in the USA and know they can't win a national election. Whens the last time a conservative won the popular vote?

They have resorted to a methodology and behavioral science marketing, backed by dark money, to include gerrymandering, voter suppression, electoral college, weaponizing religious hate, bigotry, racism, white supremacy, intolerance, xenophobia, anti gay sentiment, conspiracy theories, mocking science & education, sham investigations that smear opponents, and they have blanketed the country with fake news and misinformation.

The dumbed down audience of the fake news ecosystem have been convinced the Democrats are enemy combatants that hate America.

 

Million of Americans just aren't clever enough to have figured out they are actually voting against their own interests.

Filled with rage & hate for "leftists", they support corporate deregulation, tax breaks for the American Oligarchs that fund Republican campaigns.

8 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

Jeffr & Chomper: i already got that opinion but you havent addressed my points at all…..just continuing to bash Fox & TC as the messenger not tackling the issues.. Lefty MSM simply never raise those important subjects.

 

They also never tackle Illegal Immigration as most ordinary folk see it. Replacement Theory is nonsense. But the 10 mill illegal migrants is 3% total US pop. ( but falling since 2010 peak) IS a legit concern as the 1 mill annual inflow, which Fox excessively calls an Invasion, has increased since Dems allowed them in to US for processing, an obvious nonsense and law breach, as determined by Supreme Court. CNN crowd just criticise that ruling not Biden for illegally opening the border like that. 

Perhaps you should ask the forum management to open a sub forum dedicated to migrants to Thailand ranting about migrants to their own home country.

 

This forum is dedicated to COVID, this thread is ‘The Infectious Nature of Misinformation’.

 

The only place FOX has in this discussion is as an indisputable purveyor of misinformation wrt COVID, vaccines and public health measures to combat COVID.

 

There is a distinct line between which Americans are choosing whether or not to vaccinate, that line is defined by political affiliation, it’s costing thousands of lives.

 

FOX has a part in that.

 

 

8 hours ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

more generalities without substantiation. bashing only conservative media again.

not addressing the arguments at all.not a word concerning CNN or BBC bias for example.

So let’s get specific and relevant:

 

Can you provide examples of these news organizations purveying misinformation wrt COVID, vaccines, public health measures to combat COVID?

 

 

 

 

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Strongly Agree in fact with Opinions posted here most recently. 

Trophys all round .Larry’s piece was especially illuminating today.

Now Going to semi- retire from TVF for a while. Taking up to much time & energy !

Will continue to observe here & privately research these important subjects & opinions.

Yesterday for example I investigated White Supremacy..:…….

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

1 minute ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

Neither CNN nor MSNBC credibly claim to be impartial. Neither deliberately lies in the process. Fox lies, distorts and omits on an industrial scale by comparison. They understand that generating and fostering outrage is a strong profit motive. Therein lies the difference.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/11/business/media/vaccines-fox-news-hosts.html

 

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/media/2021/09/18/fox-news-coronavirus-vaccine-janurary-6-riot-holdon-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/fox-news-story-covid-vaccines

 

https://www.vox.com/22585354/hannity-fox-news-covid-19-coverage

I don't have a peer reviewed paper to back this but I think public trust in corporate media sources,

medical professionals, science figureheads and government officials is at an all-time low.

 

How do I know?

 

Just a wild guess.

1 minute ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't have a peer reviewed paper to back this but I think public trust in corporate media sources,

medical professionals, science figureheads and government officials is at an all-time low.

 

How do I know?

 

Just a wild guess.

They are still way ahead of whatever's next.

When The Lancet does it, it's a genuine mistake though. ????

 

https://theconversation.com/lancet-gate-in-the-covid-19-pandemic-era-is-it-alright-for-science-to-be-wrong-140715

Fair Comment Ozimoron. Fox clearly is Entertainment. With “trusted” but false Showman anchors.

CNN just more sneaky and “clever” (insidious) with their bias, with lower -calibre presenters.

1 minute ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

Fair Comment Ozimoron. Fox clearly is Entertainment. With “trusted” but false Showman anchors.

CNN just more sneaky and “clever” (insidious) with their bias, with lower -calibre presenters.

I don't think it's insidious. They openly amplify stories which attack the right. The stories are not false as a rule, just cherry picked. They get plenty of fodder without having to resort to outright lying. CNN and MSNBC are not on the level of impartiality as BBC or ABC (Aust) which are mandated by law to be impartial. The best news channel by far is Al Jazeera in my opinion. They are also biased but in my opinion are largely factual.

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

Good Comments again Ozi…… yes Al Jazeera (English) has a high reputation…. must check it out more.

BBC Online is very good too, their presenters are hopeless though ( occasional You Tube highlights).

So Sky News Aus. is impartial too ? by law or practice ? Told its Fox Aus ! “GB News” Opinion ?

2 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

Sure, your statement points out the need for critical thinking, DOYR (do your own research) and fact checking. What I find very disappointing on this forum are the repeated claims about coronavirus and vaccines which are flat out lies and those who spread those lies don't do even the slightest amount of fact checking or deliberately ignore the truth because of an intention to lie and misrepresent.

1 minute ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

So Sky News Aus. is impartial too ? by law or practice ? Told its Fox Aus ! “GB News” Opinion ?

Sky News is a Murdoch outlet just like Fox with a reputation for integrity that matches Fox ..

ozi: would highly value your considered opinion of Sky News (Oz) and GB News please….. ?

yeah, focusing more now on DOYR now ! big picture guy using mainly gold std source summaries….. 

14 minutes ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

ozi: would highly value your considered opinion of Sky News (Oz) and GB News please….. ?

yeah, focusing more now on DOYR now ! big picture guy using mainly gold std source summaries….. 

tbh, I don't watch TV much at all these days. I used to watch them in Thailand on cable but not here in Australia. I do watch some Al Jazeera when I visit a friend for coffee. I find I have to fight back the urge to throw bricks at the TV when Fox is on. I am anticipating interesting times when the Dominion suit against Fox gets settled or heard.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/01/11/fake-news-victims-turn-to-lawsuits-threats-shut-down-lies-column/6595538002/

 

https://theconversation.com/misinformation-spewing-cable-companies-come-under-scrutiny-153704

 

https://theconversation.com/is-sky-news-shifting-australian-politics-to-the-right-not-yet-but-there-is-cause-for-alarm-155356

1 hour ago, WhiteBuffaloATM said:

“Many conservative media outlets are spreading misinformation. That's a proven fact.”

 

This keeps repeating.Never disputed that. But not everything they say is a Lie, is it ?

And Fox etc.admit their politics, unlike the dishonest CNN etc, who insidiously claim to be “Impartial”.

Left wing media “clean as a whistle” then, are they ?

I’ll ask you again.

 

Please provide examples of CNN and or any other left of center mainstream news source spreading misinformation wrt COVID, vaccines or the public health measures to combat COVID.

 

 

 

 

not interested in your request Chomper. I’ll accept your apparent opinion that CNN are just peachy……

on all subjects…..though how people can follow their low grade presenters is beyond me ……

1 hour ago, LetsGoBrandon said:

I don't have a peer reviewed paper to back this but I think public trust in corporate media sources,

medical professionals, science figureheads and government officials is at an all-time low.

 

How do I know?

 

Just a wild guess.

Trust in media outlets dropped by almost 50% after Trump's relentless lies about them. Mostly among his base.