Killed 55 years ago, Thailand’s Che Guevara finally honored by his university

[rgraham]

Che was a sociopath and murderer, I am surprised anyone would want to honor him.

 

[Graemej100]

8 hours ago, TooMuchTime said:

Being a marxist is not something to be proud about.  Would never want to be compared to che guevara.

You'll probably never be compared  to anybody........or thing.

[spidermike007]

It is no honor to be compared to Che Guevara. The man was a homicidal serial killer, as was Castro, both made into fake myths by the heinous Cuban revolution, and countless fools for the last two generations. 

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna. Not Che. Not sure about the link here though. Being a Marxist doesn't automatically mean you're a revolutionay. It's a political point of view.

an utterly discredited “point of view”, compelling, reducing & levelling down humans by force & fear. hundred & fifty million dead, just between 1920-1960….. and counting. clearly doesn’t work in any positive manner. gave rise to Fascism & so WW2 …..and the murderous nuclear regimes in Russia, North Korea & China today…

 

Corbyn & his Momentum “Labour” mates make a good living from it though….this dead thai guy clearly an embryonic Pol Pot type maniac.. “ I coulda been a contender”…..until collecting his early deserved “punch in the face”.surely “honoured” only by Marxist fellow travellers or useful idiots.

[herfiehandbag]

18 hours ago, Artisi said:

Typical - - read the headline, put brain in neutral and then become an instant expert on the subject under discussion. 

Well it is the internet - and the word "Marxist" was used several times...

[zzaa09]

11 hours ago, rgraham said:

Che was a sociopath and murderer, I am surprised anyone would want to honor him.

 

...or even equate a peaceful activist poet with him. 

This has gone on for some time within particular Thai circles. 

[internationalism]

20 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Reading the headline it sounded like they were indicating Che Guevara was from Thailand, which is far from reality.  What the title of the OP should have read was "Thailand's self proclaimed version of Che Guevara finally Honored".  

but he not self proclaimed himself to be such.

possibly he even never heard about guevara.

So title is twisting history.

Nobody in opposition circles, historians, academic would make this denigrating comparison. 

It's only the pbs governmental agency doing it, very much to discredit him and his followers.

His pictures are replicated now on radical students literature, including on protests.

As well as his poems being read from the stage. His books, articles being republished

Edited November 11, 2021 by internationalism

[herfiehandbag]

12 hours ago, rgraham said:

Che was a sociopath and murderer, I am surprised anyone would want to honor him.

 

It would seem that this fellow was neither a sociopath nor a murderer, but a radical (?) student journalist. 

 

Now I don't particularly agree with some of the views he professed, but then I come from a very different background and society. If I had been a Thai student at that time, developing my political philosophies under the (rather nasty) regime then in power, that may have been very different.

[herfiehandbag]

20 hours ago, sanuk711 said:

The guy sold a lot of T-Shirts.......everyone seemed to be wearing one in the 60s....................................

If you have any to spare perhaps you could gift one to the chap who posted immediately before you - it should guarantee a spectacular meltdown!

Edited November 11, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[internationalism]

22 hours ago, John Drake said:

You mean this Jit guy? According to the OP link: 

And at least according to Wiki, the CPT was Maoist 

So it would appear he was at least complicit in assassinations and killings.

he has spend 6 years behind bars for his writings and acquitted of all charges by court.

He was a linguist, an academic, university teacher, poet. This article calls him genius for his literacy skills. An intellectual, philosopher, historian. 

Not a brainless violent tug.

He was forced to run away from the city and hide in the jungle, because he would be murdered by royalist death squats, police and army. Where finally he was hunted and murdered.

Tens of thousands of social, political activists were murdered over the years. Just as thai police murdered 2500 during "drug war" in one year under thaksin.

There is a compiled list, over 10500 names. Tip of an iceberg. If body not found, coroner can't issue death certificate. Same as with bodies found in the mekong river 2 years ago. Or young political activist murdered just over a year ago in phnom penh.

Only in one province in the north there were at least one murder every single month against rural trade unionists.

There was red barrel massacre, where over 2000 local farmers were burned alive at military barracks - just in one year in pattalung province

"The Red Drum: from the killing of Thanom-era Communist suspects to Billy, and the culture of impunity"

https://prachatai.com/english/node/8205

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337843676_Thailand's_Red_Drum_Murders_Through_an_Analysis_of_Declassified_Documents

 

so those 17 murders committed over 4 years by jungle warriors is absolutely nothing in comparison. 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by internationalism

[Liverpool Lou]

17 hours ago, billd766 said:

19 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

...and murderer.

And the Thai junta running the country at the time were such nice and friendly people who would never harm any living thing.

 

Sarcasm mode off, for those who didn't understand.

I wasn't commenting on the Thai government of the time, I was responding to a poster about Guevara's reprehensible qualities, that's all.   Sarcasm mode off, in case you can't understand.

[billd766]

16 hours ago, rgraham said:

Che was a sociopath and murderer, I am surprised anyone would want to honor him.

 

And almost every Thai junta government since 1932 has been as pure as the driven slush?

 

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, internationalism said:

 

 

10 minutes ago, internationalism said:

 

 

 

[billd766]

12 minutes ago, internationalism said:

he has spend 6 years behind bars for his writings and acquitted of all charges by court.

He was a linguist, an academic, university teacher, poet. This article calls him genius for his literacy skills. 

He was forced to run away from the city and hide in the jungle, because he would be murdered by royalist death squats, police and army.

Tens of thousands of social, political activists. Just as thai police murdered 2500 during "drug war" in one year under thaksin.

There is a compiled list, over 10500 names. Tip of an iceberg. If body not found, coroner can't issue death certificate.

Only in one province in the north there were at least one murder every single month against rural trade unionists.

There was red barrel massacre, where over 2000 local farmers were burned alive at military barracks - just in one year in pattalung province

"The Red Drum: from the killing of Thanom-era Communist suspects to Billy, and the culture of impunity"

https://prachatai.com/english/node/8205

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/337843676_Thailand's_Red_Drum_Murders_Through_an_Analysis_of_Declassified_Documents

 

so those 17 murders committed over 4 years by jungle warriors is absolutely nothing in comparison. 

 

 

An interesting read. Thank you.

[Casesrisingpanic]

It is sad to see so many people defending any kind of Marxist ideology regardless of what has been happening in the past or the present. 

 

Communism is not a viable solution to any society. That is obvious, unless you are foolish enough to believe in the utopian nonsense that they try to invent. 

 

There is a reason why it is purposely shoveled to young students who know little about the realities of life. 

[Artisi]

22 minutes ago, Casesrisingpanic said:

It is sad to see so many people defending any kind of Marxist ideology regardless of what has been happening in the past or the present. 

 

Communism is not a viable solution to any society. That is obvious, unless you are foolish enough to believe in the utopian nonsense that they try to invent. 

 

There is a reason why it is purposely shoveled to young students who know little about the realities of life. 

would you rate Thai democracy a viable alternative? 

Edited November 11, 2021 by Artisi

[internationalism]

22 minutes ago, Casesrisingpanic said:

It is sad to see so many people defending any kind of Marxist ideology regardless of what has been happening in the past or the present. 

 

Communism is not a viable solution to any society. That is obvious, unless you are foolish enough to believe in the utopian nonsense that they try to invent. 

 

There is a reason why it is purposely shoveled to young students who know little about the realities of life. 

so what after capitalism will be finished, collapses, as before it feudalism, slavery, tribal community/primitive communism?

what socio-economic system?

there are 2 known and competing - anarchism and socialism/communism.

do you know any other solution?

 

who supposedly is shovelling communism to students? do you know any examples?

Edited November 11, 2021 by internationalism

[John Drake]

3 hours ago, internationalism said:

He was a linguist, an academic, university teacher, poet. This article calls him genius for his literacy skills. An intellectual, philosopher, historian. 

Not a brainless violent tug.

So was Ezra Pound

[internationalism]

Just now, Casesrisingpanic said:

Capitalism is the only way, always has been always will be. It is the only system that allows people to rise regardless of their situation. You don't have to agree with it, it is the reality. 

 

As far as examples of pushing communism, a large percentage of universities have been pushing it for decades in the United States, and I am sure in other countries. Of course the people pushing it, have never done anything but be in school all their life. 

no, before capitalism were the other systems, which I have mentioned above.

After it there would be many more.

which one? have you given thought?

[internationalism]

3 minutes ago, John Drake said:

So was Ezra Pound

never heard about that person.

looks, like sad forgotten loony.

from now reading about him, he did support fascist states before and right to the end of war.

He was active on those governments public radio broadcasts. 

Jit did not support any state. He was killed by the state. 

[internationalism]

2 minutes ago, Casesrisingpanic said:

You must be joking. 

 

Communism is not a viable option for anyone anywhere. 

 

Listen carefully to this

 

so what is option after capitalism ends sometimes?

I have already asked this question twice, but you send me some comics from yt.

YT is not a source of knowledge. It's only entertainment. Hence I will give it a miss.

On yt only music and comedy shows which I listen

[John Drake]

2 minutes ago, internationalism said:

never heard about that person.

looks, like sad forgotten loony.

Never heard of Ezra Pound? Think he's a "forgotten loony?"  Where are you from?

[internationalism]

4 minutes ago, Casesrisingpanic said:

Capitalism will never end. It is the only natural way for a society to be prosperous. 

 

If you want to remain obtuse, then have at it. 

capitalism will end sometimes, as much as we will.

The society develops constantly, new generations have different outlook, expectations.

Look at young thai and compare them to sinosauruses

[zzaa09]

10 hours ago, internationalism said:

but he not self proclaimed himself to be such.

possibly he even never heard about guevara.

So title is twisting history.

Nobody in opposition circles, historians, academic would make this denigrating comparison. 

It's only the pbs governmental agency doing it, very much to discredit him and his followers.

His pictures are replicated now on radical students literature, including on protests.

As well as his poems being read from the stage. His books, articles being republished

His work and stances have been fashionable and romantically martyred for some time, rightfully so. 

[Casesrisingpanic]

1 hour ago, zzaa09 said:

His work and stances have been fashionable and romantically martyred for some time, rightfully so. 

Rightfully so? 

 

Care to explain why? 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, Casesrisingpanic said:

It is sad to see so many people defending any kind of Marxist ideology regardless of what has been happening in the past or the present. 

 

Communism is not a viable solution to any society. That is obvious, unless you are foolish enough to believe in the utopian nonsense that they try to invent. 

 

There is a reason why it is purposely shoveled to young students who know little about the realities of life. 

Some quotes from a UK statesman.

 

Read more at https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/winston-churchill-quotes

 

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Winston Churchill

 

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill
 

Personally I'm always ready to learn, although I do not always like being taught.
 

The farther backward you can look, the farther forward you can see.
 

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.
 

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

[zzaa09]

Yet, one thing that all the principled political/economic theories have in common is universal repression and control - domestic as well as foreign pursuits. And they exist for nothing else but for the perpetuation of the government corporate mafia state. 

 

Historically, pretty much one-n-the-same. 

[Casesrisingpanic]

12 hours ago, zzaa09 said:

Yet, one thing that all the principled political/economic theories have in common is universal repression and control - domestic as well as foreign pursuits. And they exist for nothing else but for the perpetuation of the government corporate mafia state. 

 

Historically, pretty much one-n-the-same. 

Nothing is more repressive than the communist state. They are the true fascists. 

 

[internationalism]

the thing is - a communist state is a misnomer, as communism is anti state, internationalist and global. The next socio-economic system which will sometimes replace the present system. As a classless society there is no need for any form of coercion - so no police and no justice ministry (or any form of government) controlling people. Also no army - as there are no countries, no borders, no nations and no nationalism, no arms and nor armaments.

What was experienced in some poorer, underdeveloped countries from 1917 were state capitalist countries. Just another it's ugly face. Another development form of capitalism. 

Fascism was also very much capitalism product - it's another ugly face. 

Both those models of capitalism are discredited a long time ago, at their very beginning, although there are still people, political parties and even countries describing themselves as fascist after the 2nd ww and after the soviet empire collapsed.

They are all history and nothing to do with future.

After the present dinosaurs die out and new generations organise themselves in a completely different way, opposite what we are experiencing now.

Edited November 21, 2021 by internationalism

[rudi49jr]

On 11/10/2021 at 7:20 AM, John Drake said:

So it would appear he was at least complicit in assassinations and killings.

The military dictatorship at the time was responsible for thousands of people disappearing, and being put in jail and tortured, all so a small elite could retain their wealth and power. There were plenty of reasons for (young) people to rebel or even take up arms. 

[zzaa09]

On 11/11/2021 at 6:50 PM, Casesrisingpanic said:

Nothing is more repressive than the communist state. They are the true fascists. 

 

Nothing is more suppressive than a capitalist militaristic corpocracy - which seems to be the fashion of the ages. 

A truer Fascism [aka Corporatism].