Poll: Expats -- do you identify as a globalist?

[thaibook]

I like to travel but do so legally.  I have lived in a number of countries, legally.  I preferred it when each country had its own products and there was not the current uniformity.  When I was young a RAF plane arrived each month with booze, water buiscuits, tinned powdered ice cream, marmite and a few other essentials not available locally.  

 

I am not a globalist in the way it is now used as someone who wishes to delegate all national perogatives to unelected officials or self appointed flunkeys in multinational organisations whether the EC, UN, or NGOs.

 

Nor am I in favour of illegal immigration.

 

Every country has the right to determine who enters and the conditions for foreigners to stay in the country, short term and long term.

 

An illegal immigrant is a person who prefers to seek riches for himself rather than stay and seek to improve his country. He supports criminals – how else did he cross the border if not by paying criminals? He is a cheat and a liar – he cheats by destroying his documents and he lies about his age, his nationality, and everything else the authorities ask him. All in all he is a despicable person.

 

A genuine refugee will approach the embassy of a foreign country in his own country or if that is not possible in the neighbouring country. He will not cross the border illegally and then sue the host country for depriving him of this or that.

 

Money spent deterring illegal immigration and then processing and all expenses associated with them until they leave or die should count towards the foreign aid budget as this is what it is.

 

Countries that refuse to take back illegal immigrants who are their nationals should be deemed pariah states and not be granted foreign aid including the current ransom demands, supposedly in many cases, to “green” their economies.

 

 

 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

The nation state is a relatively new invention and hopefully in the future mankind will have evolved sufficiently to put it where it belongs - in history's garbage dump. 

[Jeffr2]

1 hour ago, 1FinickyOne said:

I have not been back in a decade or so, or maybe 2 if you count lack of interaction... where'd you go, what'd you see?  [answer w/PM if you like] 

 

I am in touch w/friends but I think the changes in their lives have been so gradual that they barely notice... 

 

maybe one friend said it best: "nobody says it can't get any crazier anymore." 

Seattle and Denver.  Visiting friends.  One's gone down the Fox News rat hole and is a lost cause.  Not a very smart guy and fallen for the lies and hatred infecting the US.  15 years ago he probably couldn't tell you the president's name.  Now, he's hard core.  Boggles my mind why people change like that.  But I believe it's due to fear of immigrants, less white people, and dodgy media sites. 

 

The hatred is stunning there.  I'm not left or right.  But the hatred in the US by the far right is bizarre.

[cmarshall]

46 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Please feel free to start your own thread on how Brexit came about, there are a few who still get riled up about it. I'm not interested living in Thailand.

Please feel free to ignore any post you wish for any reason whatever.

[Phoenix Rising]

4 minutes ago, thaibook said:

I like to travel but do so legally.  I have lived in a number of countries, legally.  I preferred it when each country had its own products and there was not the current uniformity.  When I was young a RAF plane arrived each month with booze, water buiscuits, tinned powdered ice cream, marmite and a few other essentials not available locally.  

 

I am not a globalist in the way it is now used as someone who wishes to delegate all national perogatives to unelected officials or self appointed flunkeys in multinational organisations whether the EC, UN, or NGOs.

 

Nor am I in favour of illegal immigration.

 

Every country has the right to determine who enters and the conditions for foreigners to stay in the country, short term and long term.

 

An illegal immigrant is a person who prefers to seek riches for himself rather than stay and seek to improve his country. He supports criminals – how else did he cross the border if not by paying criminals? He is a cheat and a liar – he cheats by destroying his documents and he lies about his age, his nationality, and everything else the authorities ask him. All in all he is a despicable person.

 

A genuine refugee will approach the embassy of a foreign country in his own country or if that is not possible in the neighbouring country. He will not cross the border illegally and then sue the host country for depriving him of this or that.

 

Money spent deterring illegal immigration and then processing and all expenses associated with them until they leave or die should count towards the foreign aid budget as this is what it is.

 

Countries that refuse to take back illegal immigrants who are their nationals should be deemed pariah states and not be granted foreign aid including the current ransom demands, supposedly in many cases, to “green” their economies.

 

 

 

 

"I am not a globalist in the way it is now used as someone who wishes to delegate all national perogatives to unelected officials or self appointed flunkeys in multinational organisations whether the EC, UN, or NGOs."

 

I don't think any of us are. It's just a lame argument by the hard right that those who are against their poisonous nationalism is for giving away a country's right to self-determination

 

"Nor am I in favour of illegal immigration."

Again, I don't think any of us are. Hard right, lame argument etc.

 

"An illegal immigrant is a person who prefers to seek riches for himself rather than stay and seek to improve his country. He supports criminals – how else did he cross the border if not by paying criminals? He is a cheat and a liar – he cheats by destroying his documents and he lies about his age, his nationality, and everything else the authorities ask him. All in all he is a despicable person."

 

Sure, some of them are but not all. Agree?

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Seattle and Denver.  Visiting friends.  One's gone down the Fox News rat hole and is a lost cause.  Not a very smart guy and fallen for the lies and hatred infecting the US.  15 years ago he probably couldn't tell you the president's name.  Now, he's hard core.  Boggles my mind why people change like that.  But I believe it's due to fear of immigrants, less white people, and dodgy media sites. 

 

The hatred is stunning there.  I'm not left or right.  But the hatred in the US by the far right is bizarre.

I've thought about it a lot and have no other explanation than white angst. Since the US was settled whites have totally dominated all aspects of society. That is slowly but surely changing and a large part of the white US population won't have it. It's the only explanation I can find to explain as to why so many people willingly dispense with logic, truth, science and common sense. And when people do that rational discourse and debate becomes impossible.

[Jingthing]

There are many legitimately debatable issues related to globalism. Immigration, trade policy, internet freedom, changes to traditional local cultures, etc. etc.

But I really don't think anyone in their right mind particularly expats wants the fact of life of globalism to go away. Think about the restrictions to international travel under Covid. Perhaps necessary but painful and unpleasant. More globalism in that regard asap!

In any case it seems very stupid to me how the very words globalist and globalization have been weaponized. Even given the downsides just consider how most of our lives have been enriched because of globalization. Of course many people suffer because of it too.

It seems almost impossible these days to have civil disagreements on such matters.

Edited November 13, 2021 by Jingthing

[473geo]

I think most accept globalism is here, the answers to your question are surely based on the extent members participate by design as opposed to being a by product due to the fact globalism exists in its simplest form, trade.

[1FinickyOne]

54 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Seattle and Denver.  Visiting friends.  One's gone down the Fox News rat hole and is a lost cause.  Not a very smart guy and fallen for the lies and hatred infecting the US.  15 years ago he probably couldn't tell you the president's name.  Now, he's hard core.  Boggles my mind why people change like that.  But I believe it's due to fear of immigrants, less white people, and dodgy media sites. 

 

The hatred is stunning there.  I'm not left or right.  But the hatred in the US by the far right is bizarre.

What is still odd to me, though near everything in USA, is that however many years ago, it was the left wing rebels who wanted to tear the building down, now it is the far right - - who are maybe not quite so intellectual but armed. Though I don't push the topic much, it seems that all the liberals I used to know would describe themselves now as Centrist... 

 

I would guess that the internet in general is guilty of driving people down and navigating those rabbit holes for people. 

[Tony125]

Nah , I'm an American who for the time being finds himself staying in Thailand until I tire of it's charms and decide another country might offer me more.

[Tropposurfer]

globalist

/ˈɡləʊbəlɪst/

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noun

 

1. a person who advocates the interpretation or planning of economic and foreign policy in relation to events and developments throughout the world.

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adjective

 

1. relating to or advocating the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.

    

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I am a child of the mid 1950's. I am a product of a society that actively participated in and took its citizens along the post-WWII road to globalisation. As a member of a western first-world (whatever jingoistic nepotism that implies and identifies) nation. As such I have been and still (despite imagining I am somewhat of a maverick, a quasi-leftist Buddhist socialist lol) nevertheless been a part of the proletariate that has worked for the directors of and the concretisation of said globalisation.  

My personal wish, hope and dream, and yes my political vote is to see more balance from globalisation with a return back, yes back (back does not mean a regression but an acknowledgement of the wealth and value such processes and systems had), to regional autonomy and sustainability (a profitability and prosperity shared).

I see the need for localisation and self sufficiency (hasn't Covid shown us that we need to return to local production and supply chains!). 

I long for the return of the local fruit and veg shop. The milk and cream once again coming in recyclable glass bottles delivered by a person who earns a good living and cares for the quality and timeliness of customer needs. 

The soft-drink (soda) delivery rattling around the streets their sweet bubbly offerings made in a small factory a few kilometres away by local folks, the ice cream van in summer playing its tune. The local butcher, and other produce, clothing, all manner by local industries and local hands. 

[allanos]

4 hours ago, 1FinickyOne said:

I have fallen way behind on the terms... there seems to be a new one every day... woke - Q - snowflake - Karen - and a million acronyms... maybe I am more of an NWBI kind of person... a little salt, a dash of pepper... 

 

A travelin' man, made a lot of stops, all over the world... 

 

The LLP [last living person] who still knows who Ricky Nelson is...

 

In other words, based on the responses, I would have no idea what the word does or doesn't mean. 

You're not, actually - I think I am, Lol!

 

Possibly you are not aware that later in his career, Ricky Nelson "maturified" his name to

Rick Nelson!

[bojo]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

No.

Ever heard of Hungary?

Not  being Hungarian and rarely receiving Hungarian news, especially something that may be far left or right based; I'm not exposed to weaponising words and politicising news thank goodness from that country, Hungarians may well be, I'm not sure. My neighbour is Hungarian, as are the occupants of a house 20 metres away, I've not heard any weaponising and politicising from them...........................................more of a US thing and recent culture shift IMO and what a waste of airtime it is too......................................but that's the US media for you..............................pretty sure one can blame them for any weaponising and politicising...........................

[Jingthing]

21 minutes ago, bojo said:

Not  being Hungarian and rarely receiving Hungarian news, especially something that may be far left or right based; I'm not exposed to weaponising words and politicising news thank goodness from that country, Hungarians may well be, I'm not sure. My neighbour is Hungarian, as are the occupants of a house 20 metres away, I've not heard any weaponising and politicising from them...........................................more of a US thing and recent culture shift IMO and what a waste of airtime it is too......................................but that's the US media for you..............................pretty sure one can blame them for any weaponising and politicising...........................

https://www.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-warns-of-dangers-of-european-empire/

[allanos]

I had my own views on what globalism/ globalisation meant, but was suckered into calling myself a globalist in the poll by JT's benign definition. I am most decidedly NOT a globalist!

 

The first name that springs to mind to characterise "globalist" is George Soros, which, in my viewl, perhaps says it all. There are others, of course, but he is the ugly face of globalisation, to my mind.

 

Sure, we can point to some benefits of globalisation and the rise of multi-national corporations, and the like. Equally, and oppositely, there is a downside. Think of sweat-shop factories in Asia and the East; think of the near slave-labour and pitiful wages paid to the subservient by Western behemoths like Nike or Adidas, and a multitude of similar combines.

 

Globalisation, in my opinion, is all about the amassing of power by political and corporate elites.

Of course, it is not always obvious, not always in plain sight. It is hidden behind euphemisms like "democracy", or democratisation, but it is largely anything but that.

 

Globalisation is the insidious takeover of human freedoms by the world's elite; the rich and powerful, of all stripes.

 

In my opinion, the MSM, synonymous with the liberal-left bloc, has been hijacked into supporting this unsavoury cause, well-meaning as they mostly are, but serving, essentially, as useful idiots.

[rwill]

One of the things I enjoy about living here is being able to not worry about stuff like that.

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, allanos said:

I had my own views on what globalism/ globalisation meant, but was suckered into calling myself a globalist in the poll by JT's benign definition. I am most decidedly NOT a globalist!

 

The first name that springs to mind to characterise "globalist" is George Soros, which, in my viewl, perhaps says it all. There are others, of course, but he is the ugly face of globalisation, to my mind.

 

Sure, we can point to some benefits of globalisation and the rise of multi-national corporations, and the like. Equally, and oppositely, there is a downside. Think of sweat-shop factories in Asia and the East; think of the near slave-labour and pitiful wages paid to the subservient by Western behemoths like Nike or Adidas, and a multitude of similar combines.

 

Globalisation, in my opinion, is all about the amassing of power by political and corporate elites.

Of course, it is not always obvious, not always in plain sight. It is hidden behind euphemisms like "democracy", or democratisation, but it is largely anything but that.

 

Globalisation is the insidious takeover of human freedoms by the world's elite; the rich and powerful, of all stripes.

 

In my opinion, the MSM, synonymous with the liberal-left bloc, has been hijacked into supporting this unsavoury cause, well-meaning as they mostly are, but serving, essentially, as useful idiots.

Not the Soros thing again! That's exactly what I was talking about complaining about the unhelpful weaponization of these globalist based words.

 

https://forward.com/scribe/412627/globalism-anti-semitism/

 

Here's a standard definition.

 

https://www.wordnik.com/words/globalism

Edited November 13, 2021 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Just now, rwill said:

One of the things I enjoy about living here is being able to not worry about stuff like that.

Yeah check the old noodle at BKK thats the ticket.

 

[bojo]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

https://www.politico.eu/article/viktor-orban-warns-of-dangers-of-european-empire/

Was that deliberate replying to me with a US news corp article albeit from their European arm!!!!! Mr. Orban cetainly doesn't coem across as a globalist, at least not in the sense as one from the attached description in your initial post................................................However from an expat perspective, the Hungarians living in the UK, I'm pretty sure are globalists to a certain degree. Many have had families in the UK with their children going to schools and so forth and 'yes' there are some no doubt purely here for financial reasons only perhaps living in their Budapest bubble.........But these Hungarian expats are similar to Western expats in Thailand. They are living abroad and by default are globalists with their exposure and life in a foreign land.........gotta be a good thing..................................................

[1FinickyOne]

43 minutes ago, allanos said:

You're not, actually - I think I am, Lol!

 

Possibly you are not aware that later in his career, Ricky Nelson "maturified" his name to

Rick Nelson!

But he went to a garden party and everyone still called him Ricky... And Ozzie moved to Australia and everyone called him Oz... and what was Mrs. Nelson's first name... my first thought was June but that was June Cleaver... right?

[TKDfella]

Oh Jingthing, did you really want a discussion on 'globalist' or was it your intention to start expats on a political Left/Right confrontation?

[Jeffr2]

25 minutes ago, allanos said:

I had my own views on what globalism/ globalisation meant, but was suckered into calling myself a globalist in the poll by JT's benign definition. I am most decidedly NOT a globalist!

 

The first name that springs to mind to characterise "globalist" is George Soros, which, in my viewl, perhaps says it all. There are others, of course, but he is the ugly face of globalisation, to my mind.

 

Sure, we can point to some benefits of globalisation and the rise of multi-national corporations, and the like. Equally, and oppositely, there is a downside. Think of sweat-shop factories in Asia and the East; think of the near slave-labour and pitiful wages paid to the subservient by Western behemoths like Nike or Adidas, and a multitude of similar combines.

 

Globalisation, in my opinion, is all about the amassing of power by political and corporate elites.

Of course, it is not always obvious, not always in plain sight. It is hidden behind euphemisms like "democracy", or democratisation, but it is largely anything but that.

 

Globalisation is the insidious takeover of human freedoms by the world's elite; the rich and powerful, of all stripes.

 

In my opinion, the MSM, synonymous with the liberal-left bloc, has been hijacked into supporting this unsavoury cause, well-meaning as they mostly are, but serving, essentially, as useful idiots.

Soros is a dog whistle for the far right.

 

Your definition of globalism is wrong.  As is the one for MSM.

[Jingthing]

5 minutes ago, bojo said:

Was that deliberate replying to me with a US news corp article albeit from their European arm!!!!! Mr. Orban cetainly doesn't coem across as a globalist, at least not in the sense as one from the attached description in your initial post................................................However from an expat perspective, the Hungarians living in the UK, I'm pretty sure are globalists to a certain degree. Many have had families in the UK with their children going to schools and so forth and 'yes' there are some no doubt purely here for financial reasons only perhaps living in their Budapest bubble.........But these Hungarian expats are similar to Western expats in Thailand. They are living abroad and by default are globalists with their exposure and life in a foreign land.........gotta be a good thing..................................................

Don't be ridiculous. I obviously wasn't suggesting that all Hungarian people are anti globalist extremists. But their leader.is and he has a lot of power in Hungary and has many admirers internationally. 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, bojo said:

Was that deliberate replying to me with a US news corp article albeit from their European arm!!!!! Mr. Orban cetainly doesn't coem across as a globalist, at least not in the sense as one from the attached description in your initial post................................................However from an expat perspective, the Hungarians living in the UK, I'm pretty sure are globalists to a certain degree. Many have had families in the UK with their children going to schools and so forth and 'yes' there are some no doubt purely here for financial reasons only perhaps living in their Budapest bubble.........But these Hungarian expats are similar to Western expats in Thailand. They are living abroad and by default are globalists with their exposure and life in a foreign land.........gotta be a good thing..................................................

Hungarians in general are fantastic people.  Same can be said for the populations of pretty much every country in the world.  It's their governments that cause the problems.  Trump in the US.  Orban in Hungary.  Bolsonaro in Brazil.  Putin in Russia.  Etc, etc, etc.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

Soros is a dog whistle for the far right.

 

Your definition of globalism is wrong.  As is the one for MSM.

Yes but its gone way beyond whistling. 

But as I mentioned before there is also a left wing populist movement that espouses anti globalism as well.

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't be ridiculous. I obviously wasn't suggesting that all Hungarian people are anti globalist extremists. But their leader.is and he has a lot of power in Hungary and has many admirers internationally. 

Nut job and liar Tucker Carlson from Fox News just did a segment from there.  Very sympathetic for sure.  Sadly.

[Jeffr2]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Yes but its gone way beyond whistling. 

But as I mentioned before there is also a left wing populist movement that espouses anti globalism as well.

Any links for the latter?  I'd love to see that.  Seriously.  I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  Try to be close to the center.

[Phoenix Rising]

31 minutes ago, allanos said:

I had my own views on what globalism/ globalisation meant, but was suckered into calling myself a globalist in the poll by JT's benign definition. I am most decidedly NOT a globalist!

 

The first name that springs to mind to characterise "globalist" is George Soros, which, in my viewl, perhaps says it all. There are others, of course, but he is the ugly face of globalisation, to my mind.

 

Sure, we can point to some benefits of globalisation and the rise of multi-national corporations, and the like. Equally, and oppositely, there is a downside. Think of sweat-shop factories in Asia and the East; think of the near slave-labour and pitiful wages paid to the subservient by Western behemoths like Nike or Adidas, and a multitude of similar combines.

 

Globalisation, in my opinion, is all about the amassing of power by political and corporate elites.

Of course, it is not always obvious, not always in plain sight. It is hidden behind euphemisms like "democracy", or democratisation, but it is largely anything but that.

 

Globalisation is the insidious takeover of human freedoms by the world's elite; the rich and powerful, of all stripes.

 

In my opinion, the MSM, synonymous with the liberal-left bloc, has been hijacked into supporting this unsavoury cause, well-meaning as they mostly are, but serving, essentially, as useful idiots.

When you can't think of a worse person than George Soros it 's time to have a hard look in the mirror and ask yourself who really is the useful........

[Phoenix Rising]

6 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  Try to be close to the center.

Amen. IMO people who are far-right or far-left are all a bunch of [pick a suitable derogatory term].

[bojo]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Don't be ridiculous. I obviously wasn't suggesting that all Hungarian people are anti globalist extremists

Guess British humour got lost on you..............................................