PM Happy with Tourism Recovery

[connda]

PM Happy with Tourism Recovery

Wow.  The Dude has some seriously low expectations.  Or maybe not.  The New Normal seems to be about destroying tourism and well as low and middle-class businesses as well as providing the excuses to implement an alcohol prohibition.  So actually it may be going right on plan.

[AndresSP]

11 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

I manage a large hotel in the far north, over 200 rooms. I can tell you beyond any doubt the recovery is a myth conjured by TaT. We've not had a foreigner check in since April last year. We have actually fully reopened, but it's domestic Thais desperate for a break, and offices of the civil service using our meeting facilities and having a company jolly at the tax payer's expense...

 

The irony of all this is that there has never been a better time to holiday in Thailand. My family and I have had 2 wonderful luxury beach holidays during the pandemic that we'll remember forever. Empty beaches, deserted coasts. It's like I imagine Thailand would have been in the 50's before mass air travel. In a way I have the pandemic to thank for that.

 

We never really had many foreigners here anyway, excepting bus loads of Chinese churn and burn groups at bottom Dollar, and lord knows I could live without them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting post but there is hardly an irony here. For 99.9% of genuine tourists/households looking for a 2-4 week winter getaway the current terms of entry and the rest of it is a big no-no and pretty much a hypothetical hence empty beaches and discounts. I mean i would not take my family there rn even if they paid me given the very real risk of being locked up after a (false) positive in who knows where for most of the trip.

 

First i thought it was incompetence but with the latest developments i'm starting to get convinced the military is trying to starve out of business as many of you guys as possible before this whole charade is over.

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

42 minutes ago, AndresSP said:

First i thought it was incompetence but with the latest developments i'm starting to get convinced the military is trying to starve out of business as many of you guys as possible before this whole charade is over.

The hotel industry was in need of a cull. Just too many mediocre, badly managed hotels. Survivers will ultimately benefit from a leaner industry profile.

 

The well managed international chains will be just fine. Examples the the Sukhumvit JW Marriott and other prime locations have had relatively high occupancies throughout the pandemic.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly

[atpeace]

13 hours ago, tingtong said:

At least one is happy then!

 

Make that two! If this success would only last a couple moe years.  It would be a refreshing break from the out of control tourism domestic and international before Covid.

[atpeace]

8 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

The hotel industry was in need of a cull. Just too many mediocre, badly managed fraying hotels. Survivers like us will ultimately benefit from a leaner industry profile.

 

The well managed international chains will be just fine. Examples the the Sukhumvit JW Marriott and other prime locations have had relatively high occupancies throughout the pandemic.

 

 

 

 

 

Probably true but usually I only need a bed and shower.  I'm not poor but just have no need for more than mediocre.  Mediocre "and" frayed are issue for me.  I hate having to look at rooms before paying when exhausted because of the nightmare that may await.

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

The hotel industry was in need of a cull. Just too many mediocre, badly managed hotels. Survivers will ultimately benefit from a leaner industry profile.

 

The well managed international chains will be just fine. Examples the the Sukhumvit JW Marriott and other prime locations have had relatively high occupancies throughout the pandemic.

 

 

 

 

 

If that is so why then did they close some Marriots, and then most of the Aetas chain itself here in BKK.  Still 20 months later and the ones around Sathorn are closed, and the Marriott residences just reopened not long ago.

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

Prime locations I said.

 

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Probably true but usually I only need a bed and shower.  I'm not poor but just have no need for more than mediocre.  Mediocre "and" frayed are issue for me.  I hate having to look at rooms before paying when exhausted because of the nightmare that may await.

I never stay at Thai managed hotels unless I absolutely have to. The lack of professionalism is endemic. In March I stayed at the Railway Hotel in Hua Hin, now owned and operated by Centara. The service is a mere shadow of what it was under Sofitel. They just don't go the extra mile, the food was garbage and the building maintenance is slipping. They'll just run it into the ground.

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

Prime locations I said.

 

I never stay at Thai managed hotels unless I absolutely have to. The lack of professionalism is endemic. In March I stayed at the Railway Hotel in Hua Hin, now owned and operated by Centara. The service is a mere shadow of what it was under Sofitel. They just don't go the extra mile, and the building maintenance is slipping

Funny, we are polar opposites.  You place great value on the hotel experience and I could really care less unless it is dirty.  In the end we are both happy.  Think there is a place for even low end clean hotels with really no service other than handing over the keys.  I get off on the precision of a clean quick check-in. 

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

Could care less suggests you care. I never understand why north americans say this.

 

No, we're not opposites. I'll stay anywhere clean when on the move. Family vacations need high standards. Life is short. I place value, in value, in any star rating. Incompetence and poor maintenance is something I hate. Most Thai chains have high staff turnover, poor training and poor maintenance. International chains invest in staff and maintenance.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly

[AndresSP]

17 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

The hotel industry was in need of a cull. Just too many mediocre, badly managed hotels. Survivers will ultimately benefit from a leaner industry profile.

 

The well managed international chains will be just fine. Examples the the Sukhumvit JW Marriott and other prime locations have had relatively high occupancies throughout the pandemic.

 

 

 

 

 

You are right in a sence that every industry needs a proper cleansing once in a while but surely not like that. If a hotelier's business model hadn't provided for operating in profit for 2 years with a) zero foreign guests  b) no access to Thai corporate crowd c) no access to cheap (or any) credit lines like Marriotts of the world surely have, it doesn't necessarily mean such hotelier is mediocre and deserves to be wiped out. 

 

Those mom and pop businesses are part of Thailands' appeal to a huge segment of travellers who may choose to go elsewhere and the big boys will ultimately feel the pinch, make no mistake about it.

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

Credit lines are extended to hotels with a good business profile. No bank will sink money into a business doomed to failure unless it's part of a land grab or equity/real estate trade off. If the core business metrics were sound, they'll survive. We're surviving because we carry no debt.

 

The 'Mom and Pops' were never really in business. It's just their hobby.

 

 

 

Edited November 24, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly

[bangon04]

2 hours ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said:

The well managed international chains will be just fine. Examples the the Sukhumvit JW Marriott and other prime locations have had relatively high occupancies throughout the pandemic.

 

are there any special links between certain hotel owners and the government?

[Led Lolly Yellow Lolly]

Hmmmm. Hmmmmmm. Let me think...

[zzaa09]

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

If you had a personal fortune put away in an Offshore banking account courtesy of the Thai people, would you not be happy?

Even more valuable for him personally is the absolute protection that he enjoys by way of the folks behind the curtain.

[7700]

Absolutely Ironic.

career Military Officer.   perfect choice for tourism specialist, let alone PM.    Feedem the BS and if they don’t buy the concept, throw them in the Brig.  Supersedes the worse case of logic possible.

[zzaa09]

17 minutes ago, 7700 said:

Absolutely Ironic.

career Military Officer.   perfect choice for tourism specialist, let alone PM.    Feedem the BS and if they don’t buy the concept, throw them in the Brig.  Supersedes the worse case of logic possible.

These have been the scenarios for decades....

[Dont confuse me]

The great one has had a good week, first he invents package holidays, 

Then he's 'We Travel Together' idea generates a load of cash!

A genius I tell you, a genius!