ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[KhunLA]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, riiight, I think you are taking your Chinese purchase a bit too seriously................

Not really, it's a machine, gets me from point A to B.  That's all.  Cars don't do much for me.  Actually wish I didn't need one, but not really a metro kind of guy.   It is one of my bigger money drains, and don't appreciate.

 

Actually a silly expense, and understand why many enjoy living in metro area, and not having one.  Considering the past 4 cars, easily 5-10k+/-  a month luxury just to have, without out even putting petrol in it, and that entry level cars.

 

Our Mazda 2 cost ฿515k

7 years later worth ฿100k

So ฿415k÷7 yrs=฿59.28k÷12 months=฿5k a month

add insurance ฿1k a month

petrol about ฿3k a month

Throw in some oil changes & tune-ups, 

and it cost about ฿10k a month over 7 years.

฿84k ÷ 135k kms = ฿0.62 per kms

If you don't rack up the kms, then that per km

rate goes up substantially.

Not expensive, but not inexpensive, and that's if 

it doesn't need repairs.

 

Entry level cars start @ ฿600k now

 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[ExpatOilWorker]

6 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

cost about ฿10k a month over 7 years.

฿84k ÷ 135k kms = ฿0.62 per kms

I think you are missing a zero ????.

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

cost about ฿10k a month over 7 years.

฿84k ÷ 135k kms = ฿0.62 per kms

To the 2 confused souls ???? out there, let's do the math.

10,000 baht/month x 12 month x 7 = 840k.

840k/135k km = 6.22 baht/km

SeñorLA was ICE salesman of the century for a little while. 

Edited September 12, 2023 by ExpatOilWorker

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

To the 2 confused souls ???? out there, let's do the math.

10,000 baht/month x 12 month x 7 = 840k.

840k/135k km = 6.22 baht/km

Which is slightly cheaper than the cost of the tyres on my last EV (6.67 baht/km).

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

Not really, it's a machine, gets me from point A to B.  That's all.  Cars don't do much for me.  Actually wish I didn't need one, but not really a metro kind of guy.   It is one of my bigger money drains, and don't appreciate.

 

Actually a silly expense, and understand why many enjoy living in metro area, and not having one.  Considering the past 4 cars, easily 5-10k+/-  a month luxury just to have, without out even putting petrol in it, and that entry level cars.

 

Our Mazda 2 cost ฿515k

7 years later worth ฿100k

So ฿415k÷7 yrs=฿59.28k÷12 months=฿5k a month

add insurance ฿1k a month

petrol about ฿3k a month

Throw in some oil changes & tune-ups, 

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

and it cost about ฿10k a month over 7 years.

฿84k ÷ 135k kms = ฿0.62 per kms

As pointed out ... THANK YOU... that should read:

 

 

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

If you don't rack up the kms, then that per km

rate goes up substantially.

Not expensive, but not inexpensive, and that's if 

it doesn't need repairs.

 

Entry level cars start @ ฿600k now

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Which is slightly cheaper than the cost of the tyres on my last EV (6.67 baht/km).

If you are spending 6.67 baht/km on tires, you should release the handbrake. 

 

[In the jungle]

22 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Which is slightly cheaper than the cost of the tyres on my last EV (6.67 baht/km).

That's a weird brag.  Hey!  I really know how to spunk my money away.

 

Meanwhile Khun LA is furiously hammering away at his calculator trying to make it look like his Chinese MG costs less to run than a bicycle.

[VocalNeal]

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

it's a machine, gets me from point A to B. 

Explain it all???? Not really a car person. 

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, In the jungle said:

That's a weird brag.  Hey!  I really know how to spunk my money away.

 

Meanwhile Khun LA is furiously hammering away at his calculator trying to make it look like his Chinese MG costs less to run than a bicycle.

Just pointing out a car, is a luxury.   Guess that went over your head.

 

And can be a big chunk of some folks monthly income.  Simply sitting in the carport, costs, and depreciates at the same time.

 

Car don't do nothing for me.  If fancy, upscale performance or ride, more than comfortably needed, then that cost is even higher.  I don't get that much enjoyment out of owning things that depreciate.  I probably spend more time than most in ours, but it's still ... just a car.

 

Nothing I take that serious ... replying to the post that implied just that.

Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[VocalNeal]

[KhunLA]

 

What idiot wrote that cartoon.  Pick one;

EV or electric powered car

Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[ExpatOilWorker]

How much are our finest MG owners currently paying for the yearly registration sticker?

Us petrol ⛽️ heads are paying by engine volume. How are EVs charged, by weight? Engine kw?

[transam]

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

 

What idiot wrote that cartoon.  Pick one;

EV or electric powered car

You take one to the drags on deaf folk day...............????

[Madgee]

20 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

How much are our finest MG owners currently paying for the yearly registration sticker?

Us petrol ⛽️ heads are paying by engine volume. How are EVs charged, by weight? Engine kw?

By weight:

[KhunLA]

18 minutes ago, transam said:

You take one to the drags on deaf folk day...............????

Went to a few races at Atco, NJ, USA, and down near the pits, no ear protection.  No won't me ears/hearing is a bit iffy, that and firearms, along with working around jets.   Throw in a little, a lot of R&R ...

 

Say what ... ????

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 minutes ago, Madgee said:

By weight:

Thanks, but what is 3. Store by weight?

What is 4. Electric cars saying?

U have a link?

[KhunLA]

21 minutes ago, Madgee said:

By weight:

It's at a discount right now, part of the EV incentives, @ 20% of road tax. 

 

I think ours would fall in ฿260 line

source

Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[Jai Dee]

Several argumentative troll posts in violation of our Community Standards have been removed.

[Madgee]

3 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Thanks, but what is 3. Store by weight?

What is 4. Electric cars saying?

U have a link?

As I see it:
The weight chart is used for other vehicles exceeding 7 seaters. The DLT is using this chart for EV vehicles that seat under 7 passengers.
MG ZS X EV is about 1600kg ..... 

[ExpatOilWorker]

https://www.ft.com/content/cdcb0d7e-3ec2-42bc-bfcc-9489290aa9ae

[Lacessit]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

[transam]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

Don't let a few on here know...............????

[JBChiangRai]

38 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-12/sydney-airport-lithium-ion-battery-causes-fire/102846146

Odd, an EV battery not in an EV, I wonder what they did to it to make it catch fire

[KhunLA]

35 minutes ago, transam said:

Don't let a few on here know...............????

I'm leaning toward 'user error' ...

... detached battery ?

 

From the link:

... "Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm."

 

... "It is unclear why the battery was removed from the car prior to the fire."

 

And this tidbit ????

... "Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

Edited September 12, 2023 by KhunLA

[ExpatOilWorker]

The inconvenience truth.

 

From: 

 

[motdaeng]

19 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The inconvenience truth.

 

From: 

 

do you live in the uk? it looks good for you :-) ... maybe you should join an uk forum ... 

[JBChiangRai]

1 hour ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

The inconvenience truth.

 

From: 

 

Not applicable to Thailand where Electricity is *MUCH* cheaper than the UK.

[Lacessit]

11 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I'm leaning toward 'user error' ...

... detached battery ?

 

From the link:

... "Firefighters confirmed sparks spread from a detached lithium-ion battery from a luxury car to four nearby cars parked at the airport about 8:30pm."

 

... "It is unclear why the battery was removed from the car prior to the fire."

 

And this tidbit ????

... "Superintendent Adam Dewberry from Fire and Rescue NSW said that while battery fires were not uncommon, electric vehicles were not a concern for authorities.

IMO Mr. Dewberry is an ignorant fool.

Batteries coming out of China meet higher standards and regulations when the profit motive is in play? Yeah right.

I think it's a safe bet Mr. Dewberry has no scientific or engineering background.

[KhunLA]

5 hours ago, Lacessit said:

IMO Mr. Dewberry is an ignorant fool.

Batteries coming out of China meet higher standards and regulations when the profit motive is in play? Yeah right.

I think it's a safe bet Mr. Dewberry has no scientific or engineering background.

If you read the link, apparently not, it was a comparison of EV (cars) vs e-scooters & e-bikes.

 

So extremely accurate opinion.

 

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Edited September 13, 2023 by Jai Dee
Baiting comment removed

[JBChiangRai]

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IMO Mr. Dewberry is an ignorant fool.

Batteries coming out of China meet higher standards and regulations when the profit motive is in play? Yeah right.

I think it's a safe bet Mr. Dewberry has no scientific or engineering background.

I wouldn't describe him as ignorant, he has hands on practical experience as a Superintendent in the Fire and Rescue Service in NSW, one could argue his experience is more evidential & cumulative than a scientific or engineering theorist.

 

As for being a fool, I couldn't leap to that conclusion on his experience-based opinion being different from my theoretical one.  Having a different opinion doesn't make one a fool.