Pfizer Vaccines for Kids Aged 5 - 11 to Arrive in Early Feb

[scotsdude]

Another vaccine what's the big deal? We didn't think twice when they were babies getting them vaccinated against other diseases..... Unless you're rich and can afford a private tutor or can do the home schooling yourself, I don't see any aother option if you want your child to get a proper education...

[ozimoron]

38 minutes ago, sungod said:

What do you suggest, closing the schools again?

For children under 5 it's not the end of the world considering that's when school actually starts.

[sungod]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

For children under 5 it's not the end of the world considering that's when school actually starts.

But extremely disruptive as they get older. Many studies are showing this, coupled with adverse mental health issues.

[ozimoron]

Just now, sungod said:

But extremely disruptive as they get older. Many studies are showing this, coupled with adverse mental health issues.

When they get older (reach 5) they can be vaccinated. We are discussing children under 5 who can't be vaccinated.

[sungod]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

When they get older (reach 5) they can be vaccinated. We are discussing children under 5 who can't be vaccinated.

Maybe they should be locked away from 0 -5 years old then. Seems extreme but guess its up to you.

Edited January 16, 2022 by sungod

[richard_smith237]

On 1/15/2022 at 8:20 AM, TooMuchTime said:

Feel sorry for the kids whose parents will inject their kids with this.

 

The group least at risk from COVID to be injected for what reason?  Is it to protect older people who can choose if they want to be injected for their own protection?  Or maybe it follows the mask logic of "My injection doesn't work unless you are injected"

I feel sorry for the kids whose parents are unaware that Covid-19 could evolve into a variant which impacts children more severely than the current variant - we’ve been very fortunate that so far this is not the case. 

 

The world is ‘hoping’ that Covid-19 Omicron variant brings covid-19 into ‘endemic’ status, but some are forgetting the number of times antigenic drift has occurred.

 

Unless our parents were utter anti-vaxxers, we’ve all had vaccines as children - this is no different. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2022 by richard_smith237

[richard_smith237]

58 minutes ago, sungod said:

1 hour ago, edwinchester said:

My daughter is a frontline NHS worker in the UK. All 3 of her kids have recently caught covid at school. Last week she contracted it from her youngest son so now she is off work at her hospital compounding the already bad staff shortages there. The result is longer waiting lists with people waiting for treatment on trolleys and delayed operations for all patients who have in some cases been waiting a couple of years. People are waiting months just to see a cancer specialist after a doctors referral.

Quite a knock-on from a kid with a sore throat eh?

What do you suggest, closing the schools again?

Vaccinating children.....  Not everyone who contracts ‘omicron’ suffers mild symptoms, Covid-19 is still a risk for many, including children.

 

Thus, doing what can be done to minimise the risk means doing 'all that can be done’ to minimise the risk...  That means vaccinating children.

 

 

Of course, some believe the risks associated with vaccines are greater than the risks associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

Or, others believe that there are ‘unknown future risks’ associated with vaccines which may be greater than the unknown 'future risks' associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

 

Meanwhile I am in the camp whereby when my son is vaccinated he has a far lesser chance of serious symptoms when he does catch covid-19 which ultimately seems to be an inevitability. 

 

 

 

 

[sungod]

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Vaccinating children.....  Not everyone who contracts ‘omicron’ suffers mild symptoms, Covid-19 is still a risk for many, including children.

 

Thus, doing what can be done to minimise the risk means doing 'all that can be done’ to minimise the risk...  That means vaccinating children.

 

 

Of course, some believe the risks associated with vaccines are greater than the risks associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

Or, others believe that there are ‘unknown future risks’ associated with vaccines which may be greater than the unknown 'future risks' associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

 

Meanwhile I am in the camp whereby when my son is vaccinated he has a far lesser chance of serious symptoms when he does catch covid-19 which ultimately seems to be an inevitability. 

 

 

 

 

You missed the point, my son has had it. extremely mild. He wont be having a vaccine, no need.

 

Your kid has not had it, you have him vaccinated. Well done, your choice.

 

 

[sungod]

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I feel sorry for the kids whose parents are unaware that Covid-19 could evolve into a variant which impacts children more severely than the current variant - we’ve been very fortunate that so far this is not the case. 

I dont think anyone is unaware of this, just following the current situation.

 

Of course if you have more insight (rather than your own speculation /opinion) than the rest of us please share.

[ozimoron]

35 minutes ago, sungod said:

Maybe they should be locked away from 0 -5 years old then. Seems extreme but guess its up to you.

How is it up to me? I think it's up to the medical experts. Neither your opinion or mine will make any difference.

[sungod]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

How is it up to me? I think it's up to the medical experts. Neither your opinion or mine will make any difference.

Well, that's settled then.

[richard_smith237]

23 minutes ago, sungod said:

32 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Vaccinating children.....  Not everyone who contracts ‘omicron’ suffers mild symptoms, Covid-19 is still a risk for many, including children.

 

Thus, doing what can be done to minimise the risk means doing 'all that can be done’ to minimise the risk...  That means vaccinating children.

 

 

Of course, some believe the risks associated with vaccines are greater than the risks associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

Or, others believe that there are ‘unknown future risks’ associated with vaccines which may be greater than the unknown 'future risks' associated with children contracting Covid-19.

 

 

Meanwhile I am in the camp whereby when my son is vaccinated he has a far lesser chance of serious symptoms when he does catch covid-19 which ultimately seems to be an inevitability. 

 

 

 

 

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You missed the point, my son has had it. extremely mild. He wont be having a vaccine, no need.

 

Your kid has not had it, you have him vaccinated. Well done, your choice.

 

As your son is likely carrying Antibodies, and has T-Lymphocyte and B-Lymphocyte memory he is protected, at least for the near future.

 

My Son’s school will offer vaccines soon....  We’ll be happy for him to be vaccinated. 

 

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I feel sorry for the kids whose parents are unaware that Covid-19 could evolve into a variant which impacts children more severely than the current variant - we’ve been very fortunate that so far this is not the case. 

I dont think anyone is unaware of this, just following the current situation.

 

Of course if you have more insight (rather than your own speculation /opinion) than the rest of us please share.

 

Reading this forum is clear that there are a number of members with greater insight and understanding of this pandemic and virology in general than others. Their speculation and opinion arises from their ability to assimilate and consume information and form more accurate and informative options than the ‘knee-jerkers’...

 

 

[transam]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

But extremely disruptive as they get older. Many studies are showing this, coupled with adverse mental health issues.

How come, surely you will only find out in the future as the vaccines are new, unless you can back that up with a link via Dr. WHO...????

 

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

How come, surely you will only find out in the future as the vaccines are new, unless you can back that up with a link via Dr. WHO...????

Agreed.....

 

The issues people have experienced with the vaccines, such as VITT they would very likely have experienced with  any vaccine at that time under ‘perfect storm’ conditions. 

 

The ingredients of vaccines are virtually identical and other than the antigens themselves, there are also Adjuvants, Preservatives, Emulsifiers and Stabilisers....

 

For the most part, is only the antigen which differs from vaccines many of us have been taking for generations, yet some people are more concerned about the long term effects of this ‘antigen’ than they are the actual virus, which itself in stronger antigen !!!! 

 

 

[Tony125]

On 1/15/2022 at 11:56 AM, TooMuchTime said:

Parents/teachers whoever can already get the injections if they wanted.  They are readily available.  Cases don't really matter much given vast majority survive with/without injections.  Who cares if a bunch of people get a sore throat and a fever if they will be better within a week. 

Seems like kids who come down with covid but survive have a high chance of developing Diabetes

 

CBS News

COVID-19 is linked to more diabetes diagnoses in kids

https://www.yahoo.com/news/covid-19-linked-more-diabetes-192700046.html

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Seems like kids who come down with covid but survive have a high chance of developing Diabetes

It's rather telling that the anti vaxers wanted to wait years before they were confident that the vaccines were safe but we see the same cohort leaping on the let it rip bus now instead of waiting to see the longer term effects of the virus. That's the mind numbing reality of politics and religion before science.

[sungod]

1 hour ago, transam said:

How come, surely you will only find out in the future as the vaccines are new, unless you can back that up with a link via Dr. WHO...????

 

I'm talking about kids missing school, not about vaccines.

 

[Bkk Brian]

Health Officials report first Omicron death today of an 86 year old bedridden woman, double vaxxed caught it from her grandson. Reported by B.P.

[MrJ2U]

On 1/15/2022 at 11:39 AM, Tony125 said:

It can be said that it will protect teachers/parents and gran parents fron getting Covid but also it protects the kids. Omicron is running rampant around the US and the world  with many more kids being infected than was  the case with the other variants of Covid.

 

 

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/coronavirus/coronavirus-kids/doctors-seeing-croup-in-kids-infected-with-omicron/2936011/

 

 

 

 

 

I agree.

 

Get the kids vaccinated.

 

I'll be getting our two children vaccinated as soon as its available.

 

 

[kwonitoy]

1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

I agree.

 

Get the kids vaccinated.

 

I'll be getting our two children vaccinated as soon as its available.

 

 

Moved back to Alberta, Canada, with my 10 year old son

I talked it over with him and he was very much in favor of getting vaccinated

He was given a child's dose on Nov 29. Got a sore arm and a day off school which he enjoyed.

Second dose is at a 8 week delay, so Jan 24 he gets his second shot.

Schools here are open, they've sent home antigen test kits so if he shows signs of infection a quick test for him and me, and if positive isolate. 

That to me seems a best solution to a new, evolving disease.

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

Moved back to Alberta, Canada, with my 10 year old son

I talked it over with him and he was very much in favor of getting vaccinated

He was given a child's dose on Nov 29. Got a sore arm and a day off school which he enjoyed.

Second dose is at a 8 week delay, so Jan 24 he gets his second shot.

Schools here are open, they've sent home antigen test kits so if he shows signs of infection a quick test for him and me, and if positive isolate. 

That to me seems a best solution to a new, evolving disease.

Good for you.

 

Many kids in Hua Hin have begun their vaccines.

 

Takes a little longer here in Issan unfortunately.

[Venom]

22 hours ago, edwinchester said:

My daughter is a frontline NHS worker in the UK. All 3 of her kids have recently caught covid at school. Last week she contracted it from her youngest son so now she is off work at her hospital compounding the already bad staff shortages there. The result is longer waiting lists with people waiting for treatment on trolleys and delayed operations for all patients who have in some cases been waiting a couple of years. People are waiting months just to see a cancer specialist after a doctors referral.

Quite a knock-on from a kid with a sore throat eh?

The doctors are fully vaccinated? ????

[edwinchester]

1 hour ago, Venom said:

The doctors are fully vaccinated? ????

Yes as is my daughter who has had 2 Pfizer plus the booster. She's not badly affected but has to isolate at home.

[sungod]

On 1/16/2022 at 12:33 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Reading this forum is clear that there are a number of members with greater insight and understanding of this pandemic and virology in general than others. Their speculation and opinion arises from their ability to assimilate and consume information and form more accurate and informative options than the ‘knee-jerkers’...

 

 

The 'knee jerker's seem to be rushing to vaccinate infants, I know of countless kids who have had this and shook it off in a day or so.

[Tony125]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

The 'knee jerker's seem to be rushing to vaccinate infants, I know of countless kids who have had this and shook it off in a day or so.

Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March: COVID-19 updates

 

USA TODAY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-is-not-that-mild-50000-to-300000-more-us-deaths-projected-by-march-covid-19-updates/ar-AASThPf?li=BBnb7Kz

[sungod]

2 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

Omicron is not that mild: 50,000 to 300,000 more US deaths projected by March: COVID-19 updates

 

USA TODAY

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/omicron-is-not-that-mild-50000-to-300000-more-us-deaths-projected-by-march-covid-19-updates/ar-AASThPf?li=BBnb7Kz

I've had it, my family have dad it, my friends have had it, all their kids have had it. None of the kids were vaccinated, none of the adults had boosters.

 

Very mild thankfully.

 

Suggest you stay home if you have pre existing conditions or just scared of your own shadow.

[ozimoron]

On 1/16/2022 at 12:34 PM, sungod said:

Perfectly healthy ones, or ones with underlying conditions? Unfortunately the weaker amongst us will always be more susceptible to infection- Those are the ones who need better protection, not all.

does it somehow matter?

[transam]

2 hours ago, sungod said:

The 'knee jerker's seem to be rushing to vaccinate infants, I know of countless kids who have had this and shook it off in a day or so.

You know 'countless' kids that have had it and shook it off, now I reckon you are telling porkies, unless you are a Doctor/nurse.....????

[sungod]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

You know 'countless' kids that have had it and shook it off, now I reckon you are telling porkies, unless you are a Doctor/nurse.....????

Maybe I'm just imagining schools sending kids home due to covid outbreaks, and my son sat on a computer on the other side of the room online learning.

 

But of course, random posters on TV know better.