January 23, 20224 yr 5 hours ago, fjb 24 said: As I said previously, something to this effect: "If you are looking to help the corona virus infect people, few countries on earth do it better than Australia. They have gone from virtually no COVID cases to a massive increase of cases." I don't make the covid numbers, data, etc at Oxford World of Data, I am simply the bearer of this data. If you can't accept that then contact Oxford and the ZA government and post the data here and try to refute my numbers professionally and with conviction established and corroborated. The latest variant is way more contagious than the others, the planet is being overrun with it...
January 23, 20224 yr 5 hours ago, fjb 24 said: As I said previously, something to this effect: "If you are looking to help the corona virus infect people, few countries on earth do it better than Australia. They have gone from virtually no COVID cases to a massive increase of cases." I don't make the covid numbers, data, etc at Oxford World of Data, I am simply the bearer of this data. If you can't accept that then contact Oxford and the ZA government and post the data here and try to refute my numbers professionally and with conviction established and corroborated. The reason is that Australia recently decided to open up to international arrivals without quarantine. The now out of control infections are a direct result of that decision and nothing else.
January 23, 20224 yr 11 minutes ago, transam said: The latest variant is way more contagious than the others, the planet is being overrun with it... estimates put the omicron R(value) up to 5 times that of Delta. So of course infections are increasing exponentially down under and many other countries. Au has the 13th highest covid infection rate globally a few days ago. Source weblink
January 23, 20224 yr 3 minutes ago, fjb 24 said: As I said previously, something to this effect: "If you are looking to help the corona virus infect people, few countries on earth do it better than Australia. They have gone from virtually no COVID cases to a massive increase of cases." I don't make the covid numbers, data, etc at Oxford World of Data, I am simply the bearer of this data. If you can't accept that then contact Oxford and the ZA government and post the data here and try to refute my numbers professionally and with conviction established and corroborated with something other than your illogical beliefs rhetoric and bias. Noted you have not answered my post about the illogicality of the numbers. Either the numbers are not accurate, or vaccination is a total failure. Deaths in Australia vs. RSA say otherwise. Another poster has put up data which differs from yours substantially. Permit me to doubt the genetic inheritance of black and white South Africans is so radically different to Australians that it would explain a 50-fold discrepancy in infection cases. Occam's Razor states the simplest explanation is also the most probable. I'll leave it at that.
January 23, 20224 yr 5 hours ago, fjb 24 said: As I said previously, something to this effect: "If you are looking to help the corona virus infect people, few countries on earth do it better than Australia. They have gone from virtually no COVID cases to a massive increase of cases." I don't make the covid numbers, data, etc at Oxford World of Data, I am simply the bearer of this data. If you can't accept that then contact Oxford and the ZA government and post the data here and try to refute my numbers professionally and with conviction established and corroborated. Our World in Data acknowledges quite explicitly that it depends on its information from official sources. It doesn't address the issue of the reliability of those sources.
January 23, 20224 yr 17 minutes ago, fjb 24 said: As I said previously, something to this effect: "If you are looking to help the corona virus infect people, few countries on earth do it better than Australia. They have gone from virtually no COVID cases to a massive increase of cases." I don't make the covid numbers, data, etc at Oxford World of Data, I am simply the bearer of this data. If you can't accept that then contact Oxford and the ZA government and post the data here and try to refute my numbers professionally and with conviction established and corroborated with something other than your illogical beliefs rhetoric and bias. Good to see you have so much respect for Our World in Data. Here's a chart from them comparing how many tests are done daily per thousand people in Australis vs. South Africa https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/australia
January 23, 20224 yr "Various media across Scandinavia and the UK are reporting the emergence of a new Covid variant that is so infectious and spreading so fast that nearly half of all cases in Denmark are now the new mutation, named BA.2, with more than 400 confirmed infections across the UK." https://www.cityam.com/new-covid-variant-is-spreading-like-wildfire-in-scandinavia-ba-2-stealth-mutation-now-half-of-all-coronavirus-cases-in-denmark-and-rapidly-pushing-omicron-aside/
January 23, 20224 yr https://www.eastasiaforum.org/2020/08/06/lifting-the-veil-on-thailands-covid-19-success-story/ Or perhaps government data is simply understating the scale of the problem. "There is a lot of suspicion about Thailand’s officially reported number of cases, especially because of the way that infections are counted. While total cases are below 3500, Thailand has had more than 300,000 people under surveillance as potential carriers. Some studies show that the presence of COVID-19 antibodies among medical personnel and the general population is higher than what has been officially reported. Another issue is how many tests Thailand performs each day. Thailand’s testing rate sits at only 0.03 tests per thousand people, a relatively low figure compared to other developing countries such as India and Vietnam."
January 23, 20224 yr A misleading troll post has been removed also a baiting post Arnold Judas Rimmer of Jupiter Mining Corporation Ship Red Dwarf
January 23, 20224 yr A long-running diversionary debate on COVID case and death stats involving Australia and South Africa has more than run its course here, and is relatively off-topic to the main topic of the thread. So posts continuing to argue that issue have been removed, and that diversion is now ended. The thread topic here is about COVID vaccines, the vaccinated and the unvaccinated.
January 24, 20224 yr IMO it is impossible to reconcile vaccinated and wilfully unvaccinated. It is exactly the same as the topic of global warming/climate change, a matter of scientific fact against belief. Changing belief is a Sisyphean undertaking. 50% of Americans still believe in angels, and 1.4 billion Muslims believe their religion supersedes all others that preceded it. Anti-vaxxers are very lucky coronavirus has a low death rate. They seem to be oblivious to the danger of long COVID, which affects the unvaccinated disproportionately. It would be interesting to see what would happen to beliefs if a variant with a 40% death rate stopped by.
January 24, 20224 yr On 1/19/2022 at 9:40 PM, Chomper Higgot said: On 1/19/2022 at 9:41 PM, Chomper Higgot said: I’m only surprised anyone believing Q-duff reveals themselves in public. On the upside, at least it’s obvious who to avoid. What is Q-duff?
January 24, 20224 yr 2 hours ago, scorecard said: Anything that comes out of or can be traced back to Q-Anon.
January 25, 20224 yr A series of posts with a totally off-topic diversion into world religions has been removed.
January 26, 20224 yr On 1/21/2022 at 5:42 PM, placeholder said: As any epidemiolgist will tell you, you need to compare similar populations. So, tell us, how did Sweden's mortality compare to its neighbors to the east, west, and south? Namely Finland, Norway, and Denmark? They imposed very strict restrictions. Here's your answer https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/sweden I believe Sweden has a higher population than the others you quote, so a more relevant statistic would be as a % of population. As always, statistics can mean whatever one wants them to.
January 26, 20224 yr On 1/24/2022 at 3:09 PM, Lacessit said: It is exactly the same as the topic of global warming/climate change, a matter of scientific fact against belief. LOL. However, IMO there are similarities between the climate change story and the covid story. Certainly the same posters seem to be aligned on both stories re for and against.
January 26, 20224 yr Popular Post 28 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. However, IMO there are similarities between the climate change story and the covid story. Certainly the same posters seem to be aligned on both stories re for and against. Yeah. Those who follow the science and those who don't.
January 26, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I believe Sweden has a higher population than the others you quote, so a more relevant statistic would be as a % of population. As always, statistics can mean whatever one wants them to. Which is why the statistic I cited is "deaths per million people".
January 26, 20224 yr Popular Post 57 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. However, IMO there are similarities between the climate change story and the covid story. Certainly the same posters seem to be aligned on both stories re for and against. Well, when the position one subscribes to is contrary to science, you either change your position or you continue subscribing to falsehoods. A common way such denialists have of coping with contrary evidence is to come up with statements like "As always, statistics can mean whatever one wants them to." Gven that modern science is virtually all based on statistics, such an observation is profoundly and remarkably clueless.
January 26, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, placeholder said: Which is why the statistic I cited is "deaths per million people". There are some statistics which are impossible to explain away. For example, the statistical data that says a smoker is 20 times more likely to die of lung cancer than a non-smoker, although the tobacco industry gave it one hell of a shot over decades trying to explain that inconvenient number. Similarly, anti-vaxxers find it difficult to explain the statistic that says if they get COVID, they are far more likely to occupy a hospital bed or ICU than a vaccinated person. They are far more likely to be spreading COVID, because the duration of the illness is longer, and the symptoms more severe. And they wonder why vaccinated people get impatient.
January 26, 20224 yr Author 15 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: I believe Sweden has a higher population than the others you quote, so a more relevant statistic would be as a % of population. As always, statistics can mean whatever one wants them to. If you prefer testimonial evidence take a close look an the Herman Cain Awards on reddit. You will find like-minded people, expressing the same views you express. You can then follow their posts and the posts of their loved ones as they descend through the hell of Covid disease and ultimately "get their angels wings" followed by family setting up a Gofundme to pay for hospital and burial costs.
January 26, 20224 yr On 1/24/2022 at 9:09 AM, Lacessit said: IMO it is impossible to reconcile vaccinated and wilfully unvaccinated. It is exactly the same as the topic of global warming/climate change, a matter of scientific fact against belief. Changing belief is a Sisyphean undertaking. 50% of Americans still believe in angels, and 1.4 billion Muslims believe their religion supersedes all others that preceded it. Anti-vaxxers are very lucky coronavirus has a low death rate. They seem to be oblivious to the danger of long COVID, which affects the unvaccinated disproportionately. It would be interesting to see what would happen to beliefs if a variant with a 40% death rate stopped by. May I ask you to give me your definition of science? Thanks in advance.
January 26, 20224 yr 15 hours ago, placeholder said: Which is why the statistic I cited is "deaths per million people". Apologies- I misread your diagram. Yes Sweden has, according to the chart, a higher death rate.
January 26, 20224 yr 31 minutes ago, cdemundo said: If you prefer testimonial evidence take a close look an the Herman Cain Awards on reddit. You will find like-minded people, expressing the same views you express. You can then follow their posts and the posts of their loved ones as they descend through the hell of Covid disease and ultimately "get their angels wings" followed by family setting up a Gofundme to pay for hospital and burial costs. People die, always have and always will. Some will die of covid and some will die because they can't drink safe water. Life is unfair, and no one gave us a guarantee of a long and happy life. Ultimately, life sucks and there are not many winners. It is what it is- end of.
January 26, 20224 yr 15 hours ago, Lacessit said: There are some statistics which are impossible to explain away. For example, the statistical data that says a smoker is 20 times more likely to die of lung cancer than a non-smoker, although the tobacco industry gave it one hell of a shot over decades trying to explain that inconvenient number. Similarly, anti-vaxxers find it difficult to explain the statistic that says if they get COVID, they are far more likely to occupy a hospital bed or ICU than a vaccinated person. They are far more likely to be spreading COVID, because the duration of the illness is longer, and the symptoms more severe. And they wonder why vaccinated people get impatient. and if I get married I have a 50% chance of getting divorced. It's just life, and life isn't fair. People die of all sorts of things and statistically not many will die of covid out of 8 billion. IMO it wasn't worth the damage they did trying to stop it, and the unintended consequences of lockdowns will still be destroying lives for decades to come.
January 27, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: People die, always have and always will. Some will die of covid and some will die because they can't drink safe water. Life is unfair, and no one gave us a guarantee of a long and happy life. Ultimately, life sucks and there are not many winners. It is what it is- end of. Terrible analogy. Covid deaths are preventable. Sad some are against current options to prevent these deaths.
January 27, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: and if I get married I have a 50% chance of getting divorced. It's just life, and life isn't fair. People die of all sorts of things and statistically not many will die of covid out of 8 billion. IMO it wasn't worth the damage they did trying to stop it, and the unintended consequences of lockdowns will still be destroying lives for decades to come. And the thousands of deaths happening due to covid every day are destroying the lives of millions for decades to come. Much more devastating to them than just being told not to go to the bar for a few months.
January 27, 20224 yr 3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: and if I get married I have a 50% chance of getting divorced. It's just life, and life isn't fair. People die of all sorts of things and statistically not many will die of covid out of 8 billion. IMO it wasn't worth the damage they did trying to stop it, and the unintended consequences of lockdowns will still be destroying lives for decades to come. The nurses in Australia are complaining that they are still in crisis and not coping. That's the only statistic that matters and lock downs or otherwise should be determined by medical experts, not politicians or uninformed pundits on the internet. Far, far, far more lives are being destroyed by the virus that vaccinations. We don't know what variant is causing the deaths and hospitalisations in Australia but it doesn't matter. They are still happening. Australia today has thousands of people in hospital, hundreds in ICU and about a hundred deaths. In what way are lives "being destroyed" that overtakes those figures in importance? That's just political claptrap. 10% of Australia's population have now had the virus and a good many of those have long covid symptoms which effectively prevent them from working or functioning normally. source: Radio National today.
January 27, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: People die, always have and always will. Some will die of covid and some will die because they can't drink safe water. Life is unfair, and no one gave us a guarantee of a long and happy life. Ultimately, life sucks and there are not many winners. It is what it is- end of. It’s no longer the Middle Ages, science and medicine have progressed. Many of the formerly common diseases and causes of death are now curable or avoidable. Your characteristic view that ‘life sucks’ ignores the fact it hands down beats the alternative.
January 27, 20224 yr 4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said: and if I get married I have a 50% chance of getting divorced. It's just life, and life isn't fair. People die of all sorts of things and statistically not many will die of covid out of 8 billion. IMO it wasn't worth the damage they did trying to stop it, and the unintended consequences of lockdowns will still be destroying lives for decades to come. Tens of millions of people will carry the grief brought by COVID for the rest of their life. Sorry for the inconvenience you’ve suffered.
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