My Thai friend wants to hire me - but would it be possible for him to get me a non-b visa + work permit?

[Tropposurfer]

17 hours ago, BKKTRAVELER said:

It's sad that the minimum required salary doesn't apply to teachers. I guess it allows schools to underpay which doesn't seem fair.

If you've got a full teachers degree (not some other bachelors degree - which doesn't begin to equate as anything near the same in LOS if you want to use it to get a teachers job) you can expect to be hired by the upper echelon of schools and be paid equal to or above the 60K Yanks are required under law to be paid. I have both a degree and a post grad masters in mental health fields with pretty stellar references and work history in Australia, Europe, and parts of the US and I enquired (only out of curiosity as I came here to retire not work anymore) and there was little to maybe, maybe slim opportunity to teach in a university but without reasonable Thai linguistic no chance of finding a job. If you are a good teacher, well qualified, and experienced, you can find a decent job with good conditions in BKK in time.

Edited February 5, 2022 by Tropposurfer

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I didn't read the other posts, maybe the following was mentioned already.

Some time ago I asked Thais with whom I worked together if they want to officially employ me.

One answer was something like this: He would like to do that, but he won't do it because having a farang employed in his company will attract more scrutinizing from the authorities.

I think that makes a lot of sense because it seems companies who employ farangs seems to be much more checked in details than "normal" companies.

So maybe your friends will think twice if they want to employ you even if they are able to do that.

Let's emphasise that your Thai friend can't personally employ you.

 

For Work Permit purposes the foreigner has to be employed by a registered Thai company.

 

The Thai friend owning a company was mentioned earlier so perhaps that part tsn't such a problem, as long as it has proof or registration, balance sheets etc.

[natway09]

Very little chance to be truthful as the Immigration & then Labour Dept would look at the job description & decide if a Thai can do the tasks.

If yes, application denied & fair enough

[OneMoreFarang]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Let's emphasise that your Thai friend can't personally employ you.

 

For Work Permit purposes the foreigner has to be employed by a registered Thai company.

 

The Thai friend owning a company was mentioned earlier so perhaps that part tsn't such a problem, as long as it has proof or registration, balance sheets etc.

Ok, sorry, in my case I spoke to at least two Thai guys who owned registered companies who could have, in theory, employed me.

[Sticky Rice Balls]

18 hours ago, bbko said:

The level to what some people will lie, falsify, cheat, and stoop to, to stay in a country never ceases to amaze me.

The levels some of us have climbed to stay here legally as well!!!.....

I worked as a Chef--a teacher--DJ--volunteer and man what a mountain of paperwork I had to produce....... that I just now stay as a tourist--which seems obvious is all thais want me to be......(spend money and go home)

 

I think if thais went digital the deforestation issue in the world would greatly improved overnight....smh

[kwak250]

Interested in how luxurious a Luxury car wash can be.

Edited February 6, 2022 by kwak250

[BritTim]

4 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Interested in how luxurious a Luxury car wash can be.

I believe this is the world record holder: https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/the-worlds-most-expensive-car-wash-costs-100000.php. Ultimate Shine's top of the line service costs well over four million baht.

[EricTh]

@noodleslayer

 

Many jobs are reserved for Thai citizens or for citizens of neigbouring countries like Myanmar, Laos and Cambodia.

 

For other countries, the only work permit option are an English teacher or a specialist in a  field that few Thai citizens can do.

 

There are tons of documentation involved in applying for a work permit for non-citizens.

 

Security guard, washer, general worker, cleaner, cook are all reserved for Thai people and people from the neighbouring countries.

 

There are many workers who are waiting to do this type of job.

Edited February 6, 2022 by EricTh

[unblocktheplanet]

On 2/4/2022 at 11:47 PM, DrJoy said:

Cigarette making by hand

I used to favour those Burmese handrolled cheroots. Loved to see the tobacco drying on the asphalt in Isaan as the trucks rolled over it!

[tonray]

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

I believe this is the world record holder: https://luxurylaunches.com/transport/the-worlds-most-expensive-car-wash-costs-100000.php. Ultimate Shine's top of the line service costs well over four million baht.

I just washed and waxed my car.. estimated costs...10 baht (soap, paste wax, water...cheap cars don't look any cleaner at 4 million baht a rinse

[VocalNeal]

On 2/5/2022 at 7:01 AM, ubonjoe said:

I just cleaned up this topic by removing 20 posts that were meant to deflect the topic and the expected replies to them. Time to get back on topic.

 

It 50k baht for the US.

From the immigration order for extensions of stay.

 

You don't have to be paid 50,000. You just have to be shown to be paid 50,000 and pay income tax on 50,000. 

 

getting a spurs work permit may not be the most convenient? I used to sign so many document that I started to lose muscle memory and could no longer sign my name.

[Freddy42OZ]

On 2/5/2022 at 12:09 AM, noodleslayer said:

What country is your friend from that got the job at Big C, and do you know if he had a degree or not? Was his job entry-level like a cashier, or was it something higher up? You said he's paid well so I'm curious because apparently 60k thb is the minimum salary for US/Canadians to get a work visa in a non teaching job

Western foreigners cannot be hired in any entry level job, partly because the entry level salary won't be enough and partly because those jobs are reserved for Thais.  Why would you even want an entry level job?  

Most foreigners that are not on low paid teaching jobs wouldn't get out of bed for less than 150-200K a month.  
Teachers at good international schools get 120-150K a month.  

60K is the lowest I would consider and even then only if I was desperate for a job. 

With a degree in management you should be aiming for at least 100K in an mid to upper management position.

[EricTh]

On 2/4/2022 at 11:52 PM, BritTim said:

If the idea is for you to get a part time job, provided by a Thai friend, as a means to get a work permit and extension, then forget it. As someone else has already advised you, you need to show 60,000 baht a month minimum income (for which there will be around 3,000 withheld for tax and social fund). There are some other costs associated with getting this done also.

60,000 baht is only for those non-English teaching jobs.

 

For English teachers, I've seen foreigners being paid 20,000++ baht

 

 

Edited February 6, 2022 by EricTh

[Eaglekott]

On 2/4/2022 at 11:16 PM, DrJoy said:

@noodleslayer Check out the Non-B visa dox -

 

Completely filled in TM 7 form.  

Copies from following passport pages:

Detail page
Current visa/extension
Copy of all extensions from the last visa 
Last entry stamp
TM6 departure card
Up to date address registration

Passport size picture.

 

The company letters certifying as follows -
– Nature of business

– Reason or necessity in employing the applicant his / her position, salary and education background.

– Number of Thai and foreign employees detailed list.

Copies of work permit or receipt of work permit application.

Company's annual balance sheets.

The juristic persons Annual Income Tax Declaration Form (Form No.50) of the latest year and its receipt of payment.

All employees Monthly Income Tax Declaration Form (Form No.1 ) of the last 3 months and its receipt of payment.

 

All employees Monthly Social Security Benefit of the latest month and its receipt of payment.

 

The applicants Annual Income Tax Declaration Form (Form No.91) of the latest year and its receipt of payment.

The official letter that certify the registration of such juristic person.

Business Registration or Business License.

Value Added Tax Registration and list of share holders.

For those who operate export business, the documentary evidence clarifying its export activities is needed.

For those who operate tourism business, the documentary evidence clarifying its total number of tourist that brought in by the company is needed.

A map that indicate location of the Company.

Picture of all the company's employees at work

Picture of all company's employees in front of the office with clear name of the company showing

 

You need to be paid THB 50,000/- per month salary by the company, monthly tax on this salary will be approx THB 1802/- and SSB will be THB 750/-

Can also add to the list that the company that hires you must have at least 2 Million Baht in registered capital and at least 4 Thai employees with minimum salary (9,000 now i think?) and SSO for each employed foreigner in the company,

 

3% SSO and 750 Baht is the cap, and the company must match it with the same amount withheld from the employee's salary. There is also A yearly cost to a Workers found but that is just a few 1,000 per year. So for a person earning over 25,000 each month the SSO fee is total 1,500B per month. 

 

Another thing, a picture of ALL staff working is not needed, It is enough to have pictures that shows at-least 4 Thai workers for each foreigner. If the company has 12 employees its enough to see 4 in the pictures.

I believe it's the same with "All employees Income tax and SSO" enough to show proof of four.

 

The map can not be printed from Google or Apple Maps, it has to be created for this purpose manually.

 

Cheers

Eagle

[PadPrikKhing]

I've been wondering for a while: couldn't I get work as a copywriter and/or copy editor and/or proofreader of English business materials, under the same rationale as allows English teachers to work under a work permit? The same principle works—that it's something I'm a specialist at, the way an English teacher is a specialist at that.

[jessc]

On 2/9/2022 at 9:04 AM, PadPrikKhing said:

I've been wondering for a while: couldn't I get work as a copywriter and/or copy editor and/or proofreader of English business materials, under the same rationale as allows English teachers to work under a work permit? The same principle works—that it's something I'm a specialist at, the way an English teacher is a specialist at that.

I have obtained multiple work permits for English language musicians to work in my business. Other resorts and bars have done the same, as well as English language (or other language) guest service managers, western/foreign food chefs, yoga instructors, and (as I noted in an earlier post in this thread) specific language social media and marketing managers. So, yes, I think so provided the job description is well articulated to say that the language skills and cultural knowledge is essential to the job.

Edited February 10, 2022 by jessc
Clarity

[mvdf]

I remember a Swiss friend of mine who has a Thai friend with a successful business. That Thai friend hired him but the Swiss guy explained to me later that it was really him paying the salary by paying it in advance to his friend. Taxes were also paid like clockwork. Eventually after several years he applied for permanent residence and it was granted. I just sipped my coffee in amazement as he explained the brazenness of it all. 

 

That was several years ago. I won't be surprised if he also gets through the citizenship process with the precision of a Swiss watch.