Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

That was a massive missile, new video's and footage has been shown. An X-22 cruise missile directly into the heart of the shopping Mall

 

 

What CCTV and satellite images tell us about shopping centre missile strikes in Ukraine

New videos and pictures released after the missile attack in Kremenchuk, which killed at least 18 people, offer further evidence that the shopping centre was directly hit.

https://news.sky.com/story/what-cctv-and-satellite-images-tell-us-about-shopping-centre-missile-strikes-in-ukraine-12642447

 

From Bellingcat 

check out our play-by-play rebuttal of Russia's brazenly false, and internally inconsistent narratives about the missile attack on the shopping mall in Kremenchuk that left at least 20 innocent civilians dead. Russia’s Kremenchuk Claims Versus the Evidence (in-depth report on all the false claims and evidence that refutes them)

 

You tube video of the missile hitting, you can actaully see it coming down. At 2.56 into the vid after Zelensky's address with english subs

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

did you even bother to click on the links,.........................????

 

On 6/30/2022 at 10:20 AM, Bkk Brian said:

 

What CCTV and satellite images tell us about shopping centre missile strikes in Ukraine

New videos and pictures released after the missile attack in Kremenchuk, which killed at least 18 people, offer further evidence that the shopping centre was directly hit.

https://news.sky.com/story/what-cctv-and-satellite-images-tell-us-about-shopping-centre-missile-strikes-in-ukraine-12642447

 

From Bellingcat 

check out our play-by-play rebuttal of Russia's brazenly false, and internally inconsistent narratives about the missile attack on the shopping mall in Kremenchuk that left at least 20 innocent civilians dead. Russia’s Kremenchuk Claims Versus the Evidence (in-depth report on all the false claims and evidence that refutes them)

For your added benefit and for those who say the mall was closed:

 

"For anyone claiming that there were not many vehicles on the Amstor parking lot in Kremenchuk... well, this video shows the situation minutes after the impact" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ96G2APAI

 

 

 

 

 

[Rimmer]

A troll post and a couple of replies removed

[coolcarer]

Russians withdraw, Snake Island liberated! They couldn’t take the heat anymore from the shelling. 
 

Russians excuse. They’ve withdrawn as a goodwill gesture ????

 

All the reports on the BBC live updates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

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10 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Russians withdraw, Snake Island liberated! They couldn’t take the heat anymore from the shelling. 
 

Russians excuse. They’ve withdrawn as a goodwill gesture ????

 

All the reports on the BBC live updates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

As the NY Times pointed out, it was only a week ago that Russia boasted about repelling a Ukrainian attack on the island. Apparently, the new weapons are beginning to make a difference according to the NY Times. ( I linked to the article in another thread)

Edited June 30, 2022 by placeholder

[sqwakvfr]

Joe Biden is currently in Spain for the NATO summit.  Will he go to Kyiv and meet Zelenskky? Meanwhile President Joko Widodo met with Zelenskky.  Bravo Mr. President. Thai is President Widodo and not the guy who lives in the White House.  

 

 

[JetsetBkk]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

did you even bother to click on the links,.........................????

 

For your added benefit and for those who say the mall was closed:

 

"For anyone claiming that there were not many vehicles on the Amstor parking lot in Kremenchuk... well, this video shows the situation minutes after the impact" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ96G2APAI

 

Thanks, I hadn't seen that video before.

The last comment by "Max Long" is interesting. He repeats what Reuters news agency reported:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-hit-weapons-depot-kremenchuk-caused-fire-shopping-center-2022-06-28/

 

 - which was that the target was a weapons depot next to the mall, according to the Russian defence ministry. They say the store  contained arms received from the United States and Europe, and they exploded after the missile hit, causing the mall to catch fire.

 

[Bkk Brian]

28 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Thanks, I hadn't seen that video before.

The last comment by "Max Long" is interesting. He repeats what Reuters news agency reported:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-hit-weapons-depot-kremenchuk-caused-fire-shopping-center-2022-06-28/

 

 - which was that the target was a weapons depot next to the mall, according to the Russian defence ministry. They say the store  contained arms received from the United States and Europe, and they exploded after the missile hit, causing the mall to catch fire.

 

No problem, another clear video of the shopping mall strike aftermath.

 

It gets to quite something however when you start quoting a Russian troll "Max Long" from the user generated comments left under the youtube video. Interesting this same Max Long has his own youtube channel where he uploads other conspiracies including Ukrainian Armed Forces laying corpses on the road in Bucha.

 

28 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-hit-weapons-depot-kremenchuk-caused-fire-shopping-center-2022-06-28/

 

Your Reuters Article:

Russia denies hitting Ukrainian shopping centre with missiles

"Russia's defence ministry rejected Ukraine's account, saying it had hit a legitimate military target in the city, and that the shopping centre was not in use."

 

We already know that's not true

28 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

They say the store  contained arms received from the United States and Europe, and they exploded after the missile hit, causing the mall to catch fire.

 

Who says this, link?

 

So long as its not a link from a Russian propaganda site or quoting a Russian news agency as its worthless rubbish much like your whole post

 

 

 

Edited June 30, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[rudi49jr]

Bernie Ecclestone says he would take a bullet for Putin. It just goes to show that living to be 91 and becoming a billionaire don’t necessarily mean you have to be very smart. 

 

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12642989/bernie-ecclestone-defends-vladimir-putin-and-says-lewis-hamilton-should-brush-aside-racist-slur-as-f1-condemns-comments-from-former-boss

 

[ozimoron]

'We should pull out of NATO': Marjorie Taylor Greene says it's time to let Putin win

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) on Thursday threw her support toward letting Russian President Vladimir Putin win by pulling the United States out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

 

Writing on Twitter, Greene slammed the Biden administration for continuing to supply Ukraine with the weapons it says it needs to repel the Russian military invasion that began back in February. "The American people do not want war with Russia, but NATO and our own foolish leaders are dragging us into one," Greene wrote.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-nato/

[metisdead]

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[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Bernie Ecclestone says he would take a bullet for Putin. It just goes to show that living to be 91 and becoming a billionaire don’t necessarily mean you have to be very smart. 

 

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/12642989/bernie-ecclestone-defends-vladimir-putin-and-says-lewis-hamilton-should-brush-aside-racist-slur-as-f1-condemns-comments-from-former-boss

 

Unbelievable ignorance:

 

When it was pointed out that Russia's invasion of Ukraine had claimed the lives of thousands of innocent people, Mr Ecclestone simply replied: "It wasn't intentional".

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

'We should pull out of NATO': Marjorie Taylor Greene says it's time to let Putin win

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) on Thursday threw her support toward letting Russian President Vladimir Putin win by pulling the United States out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

 

Writing on Twitter, Greene slammed the Biden administration for continuing to supply Ukraine with the weapons it says it needs to repel the Russian military invasion that began back in February. "The American people do not want war with Russia, but NATO and our own foolish leaders are dragging us into one," Greene wrote.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-nato/

What’s changed about Greene since her days as a rabble-rousing promoter of conspiracy theories and misinformation is simply that she now does the same thing with the trappings of officialdom. Her comments about the war in Ukraine have the slightly elevated weight of coming from a member of Congress, albeit it one with less actual political power than perhaps any other official on Capitol Hill

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/17/layer-cake-misinformation-dishonesty-pro-russia-apologism/

[candide]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What’s changed about Greene since her days as a rabble-rousing promoter of conspiracy theories and misinformation is simply that she now does the same thing with the trappings of officialdom. Her comments about the war in Ukraine have the slightly elevated weight of coming from a member of Congress, albeit it one with less actual political power than perhaps any other official on Capitol Hill

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/17/layer-cake-misinformation-dishonesty-pro-russia-apologism/

She's even dumber than her master.

[rudi49jr]

51 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

'We should pull out of NATO': Marjorie Taylor Greene says it's time to let Putin win

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) on Thursday threw her support toward letting Russian President Vladimir Putin win by pulling the United States out of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

 

Writing on Twitter, Greene slammed the Biden administration for continuing to supply Ukraine with the weapons it says it needs to repel the Russian military invasion that began back in February. "The American people do not want war with Russia, but NATO and our own foolish leaders are dragging us into one," Greene wrote.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-nato/

MTG is a vile and ignorant racist white supremacist MAGA freak, an embarrassment to the House of Representatives, and an embarrassment to the USA as a whole.

[ballpoint]

17 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Russians withdraw, Snake Island liberated! They couldn’t take the heat anymore from the shelling. 
 

Russians excuse. They’ve withdrawn as a goodwill gesture ????

 

All the reports on the BBC live updates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

If only the Russians had some sort of boat they could use to threaten the island with.

[JetsetBkk]

52 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

18 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Russians withdraw, Snake Island liberated! They couldn’t take the heat anymore from the shelling. 
 

Russians excuse. They’ve withdrawn as a goodwill gesture ????

 

All the reports on the BBC live updates

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-61987663

If only the Russians had some sort of boat they could use to threaten the island with.

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

 

     

[Kwasaki]

16 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

 

     

I thought Russia left to allow a safe corridor for boat to collect grain. 

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5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I thought Russia left to allow a safe corridor for boat to collect grain. 

And you believe that why? Have the Russians announced that they are removing their mines from the Black Sea? Or do you find their denials that they have laid any believable?

[transam]

24 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

 

     

So all Ukrainian military planning eyes concentrate on one area at a time.............................Gawd..................................????

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30 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

 

     

 

"The fight over Snake Island reveals something that seems to be a pattern in this war," tweeted Philips P. O'Brien, Professor of Strategic Studies at the University of St Andrews.

"If the Russians can’t rely on overwhelming artillery firepower, they struggle (to) accomplish anything. In any engagement requiring initiative and adaptability, the Ukrainians seem to prevail."

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/30/ukraine-to-regain-control-of-snake-island-after-russians-withdraw

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, ballpoint said:

If only the Russians had some sort of boat they could use to threaten the island with.

you’re confused, Kiev was their first goodwill gesture, the boat was the second, snake Island the third, many more to come, a gift that keeps on giving….????

[coolcarer]

35 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

 

     

128 days of being pounded by shells, drones and missiles had nothing to do with it then. Snake Island gave the Russians control of the water and impact the sky over southern Ukraine, was an essential point for Russias ability for a tactical naval landing and conduct a landing operation in Transnistra. 
 

Your comrades conveniently forgot to tell you that.

[transam]

Just now, coolcarer said:

128 days of being pounded by shells, drones and missiles had nothing to do with it then. Snake Island gave the Russians control of the water and impact the sky over southern Ukraine, was an essential point for Russias ability for a tactical naval landing and conduct a landing operation in Transnistra. 
 

Your comrades conveniently forgot to tell you that.

Reminds me of the importance of Malta, back then, the Axis were never able to take it, oh, or the UK....... ????

[Mavideol]

32 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I thought Russia left to allow a safe corridor for boat to collect grain. 

always 2 versions to a statement.... whom to believe, certainly not the Ruskoffs

[Bkk Brian]

41 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I thought Russia left to allow a safe corridor for boat to collect grain. 

Great message for the Russian population back home who have no free press to say otherwise. The truth being that a safe corridor would only require them not to shoot at any passing ship.

 

Instead they are laying land mines in the Black Sea

[JetsetBkk]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

1 hour ago, JetsetBkk said:

Snake Island served its purpose. It was a distraction for the Ukrainians and the West. 

 

The Russians took Snake Island easily at the start, but it has no strategic value for them - it's a rock. And while the Ukrainians and the West were distracted by it, the Russians were taking Severodonetsk and Lysychansk in the Donbas region.

So they left a rock with population zero, and now control two cities - Severodonetsk and Lysychansk - in the industrial heartland, population 300,000. 

    

I thought Russia left to allow a safe corridor for boat to collect grain. 

Yes, that is what the Russians said, but I don't buy it. It's also implying that they were blockading the port of Odessa, stopping the grain exports. So that was a dumb statement. They should've just said that the rock had served its purpose and they are moving on.

Edited July 1, 2022 by JetsetBkk
"leaving" > "moving on"

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14 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Yes, that is what the Russians said, but I don't buy it. It's also implying that they were blockading the port of Odessa, stopping the grain exports. So that was a dumb statement. They should've just said that the rock had served its purpose and they are moving on.

I get it. You mean that they should have lied but more plausibly.

[Kwasaki]

52 minutes ago, JetsetBkk said:

Yes, that is what the Russians said, but I don't buy it. It's also implying that they were blockading the port of Odessa, stopping the grain exports. So that was a dumb statement. They should've just said that the rock had served its purpose and they are moving on.

I guess so because isn't Odessa port access blocked by Ukrainian sea mines anyway. 

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I guess so because isn't Odessa port access blocked by Ukrainian sea mines anyway. 

Perhaps you've not watched BBC today or read the news on Russia putting mines in the sea at Odesa and Ochakiv