Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, tgw said:

far from the end result, on the contrary.

 

For Ukraine and for the whole rest of the world we would call "free", the LOSING strategy would be to accept Ruzzia's invasion and its presence in occupied territories.

 

And taking things even further, we also know that the current Ruzzia can't be negotiated with, because it lies and breaks treaties.

"Hey we don't lie this time and we swear we will keep our word in future too".

Logic, reason and sanity all advise the same course of action.

In addition Russia just doesn't seem to learn from history.

 

Bombing Kyiv Into Submission? History Says It Won’t Work.

It typically aims to achieve this by forcing those leaders to ask whether the capital’s cultural landmarks and economic functioning are worth putting on the line — and also, especially, by terrorizing the country’s population into moderating their support for the war.

But for as long as leaders have pursued this tactic, they have watched it repeatedly fail.

More than that, such strikes tend to backfire, deepening the political and public resolve for war that they are meant to erode — even galvanizing the attacked country into stepping up its war aims.

https://web.archive.org/web/20221024015725/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/11/world/europe/russia-ukraine-kyiv-bombing.html

 

 

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[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

This isn't physics or chemistry. The result of Ukraine's attack on Russian ships isn't preordained. If it turns out that the end result is no more shipments of grain from Ukraine, the fault is Russia's.

You’re right. It’s not physics or chemistry; just common sense.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

You’re right. It’s not physics or chemistry; just common sense.

Common sense already here.

 

Ukraine war: Two cargo ships leave ports despite Moscow's grain exports deal pullout

Earlier, the United Nations, Turkey and Ukraine were said to have decided to continue implementing the grain deal after movement was halted on Sunday, with a transit plan in place for 16 ships on Monday now active.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/30/ukraine-war-russias-grain-deal-pullout-will-worsen-world-hunger-say-western-leaders

 

I guess the statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov warning that continuing grain exports without Russian participation was "hardly feasible" are not stopping it going ahead.

[Gweiloman]

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Common sense already here.

 

Ukraine war: Two cargo ships leave ports despite Moscow's grain exports deal pullout

Earlier, the United Nations, Turkey and Ukraine were said to have decided to continue implementing the grain deal after movement was halted on Sunday, with a transit plan in place for 16 ships on Monday now active.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/30/ukraine-war-russias-grain-deal-pullout-will-worsen-world-hunger-say-western-leaders

 

I guess the statement by Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov warning that continuing grain exports without Russian participation was "hardly feasible" are not stopping it going ahead.

Correct. Russia guaranteed the safe humanitarian corridor for the grain shipments. This is no longer in play should military action be taken in the Black Sea.

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Correct. Russia guaranteed the safe humanitarian corridor for the grain shipments. This is no longer in play should military action be taken in the Black Sea.

The attacks were 220 kilometers away from the grain corridor

 

Quite the dilemma for Russia, A grain convoy has left Odesa in defiance of a RU blockade. Proceeding south, the convoy posses a dilemma for Putin: does he attack merchant ships in international waters, or does he back down and permit UKR to resume grain shipments?

 

 

Hunger games being played by Russia, using food as a weapon but then with the world watching them daily carrying our mass war crimes in Ukraine cities then we can expect nothing else.

[Gweiloman]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The attacks were 220 kilometers away from the grain corridor

 

Quite the dilemma for Russia, A grain convoy has left Odesa in defiance of a RU blockade. Proceeding south, the convoy posses a dilemma for Putin: does he attack merchant ships in international waters, or does he back down and permit UKR to resume grain shipments?

 

 

Hunger games being played by Russia, using food as a weapon but then with the world watching them daily carrying our mass war crimes in Ukraine cities then we can expect nothing else.

I didn’t read anywhere that Russia is blockading grain shipments.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t read anywhere that Russia is blockading grain shipments.

That's not what anyone claimed and the question did not even touch on that but then unless I ditto my post there's nothing else to add

[BarraMarra]

14 hours ago, candide said:

It's Ukrainska Pravda, and the url is in ua, not ru.

I read the Sun in Udon Thani it's an English Newspaper.

[BarraMarra]

13 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Kerch Bridge got bombed, Ukraine got the sh*t bombed out of them. Didn’t they realise that bombing the ships that escorted the grain ships would also have consequences? Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

Putins forces are being driven back so Putin is launching more strikes on water plants and power stations simply because he is getting his <deleted> kicked its not the Ukrainian army he is attacking, so he will go for civilian targets they don't fight back.

[Gweiloman]

15 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That's not what anyone claimed and the question did not even touch on that but then unless I ditto my post there's nothing else to add

From your post;

Quite the dilemma for Russia, A grain convoy has left Odesa in defiance of a RU blockade

[BarraMarra]

13 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Nevertheless, the end result is that the grain shipments are disrupted. The countries that have been receiving the grain, be it poor nations in Africa or European nations will now be paying more for the grain. So sad.

And why is the Grain more expensive Gwellonan? i'll give you a clue Theft from Ukrainian Silo's holding Grain and Transporting it to Russia.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

From your post;

Quite the dilemma for Russia, A grain convoy has left Odesa in defiance of a RU blockade

From my full post:

 

The attacks were 220 kilometers away from the grain corridor

 

Quite the dilemma for Russia, A grain convoy has left Odesa in defiance of a RU blockade. Proceeding south, the convoy posses a dilemma for Putin: does he attack merchant ships in international waters, or does he back down and permit UKR to resume grain shipments?

 

Hunger games being played by Russia, using food as a weapon but then with the world watching them daily carrying our mass war crimes in Ukraine cities then we can expect nothing else.

[BarraMarra]

13 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

 

End result, more bombing in Kyiv, leaving more parts without power or electricity. Not a winning strategy for Ukraine but maybe for another country.

Hint if Russian Missiles and Iranian drones were not hitting Kyiv's infrastructure the Electricity would be on and water would be filling sinks who's fault is it they're both off.

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Hint if Russian Missiles and Iranian drones were not hitting Kyiv's infrastructure the Electricity would be on and water would be filling sinks who's fault is it they're both off.

Correct. If Ukraine didn’t bomb the Kerch Bridge and Sevastopol, then like you said, Russian missiles and drones would not be hitting the power plants.

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Correct. If Ukraine didn’t bomb the Kerch Bridge and Sevastopol, then like you said, Russian missiles and drones would not be hitting the power plants.

but if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine there would be no need for Ukraine to defend itself and attack the Kerch bridge, any action has a counter action ... who came first, the chicken or the egg

[bobbin]

14 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Kerch Bridge got bombed, Ukraine got the sh*t bombed out of them. Didn’t they realise that bombing the ships that escorted the grain ships would also have consequences? Either stupidity or intent to escalate.

oooohh.... Consequences 555

 

They are forced to defend themselves. Consequences are for Russia to worry about..

[BarraMarra]

It's not Rocket Science Gweiloman Putin's invasion of Ukraine is the cause of all the problems now from Fuel prices to kids starving in Africa because their grain was exported is now being cut back due to the grain thief stealing thousands of tons that could be in fully laden cargo ships to African ports and disrupting shipments.

[BarraMarra]

If I was Zelensky I would place long-range missiles I had just thrown the Russians out close to the Russian border, and I would start raining missiles down on Russian towns and Russian Citys in retaliation for what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

[Gweiloman]

35 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

It's not Rocket Science Gweiloman Putin's invasion of Ukraine is the cause of all the problems now from Fuel prices to kids starving in Africa because their grain was exported is now being cut back due to the grain thief stealing thousands of tons that could be in fully laden cargo ships to African ports and disrupting shipments.

Incorrect. Fuel prices soaring is due to sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas and the bombing of NS2 which effectively ended the possibility of re-supply of Russian gas to Europe.

 

Kids starving in Africa is partly due to majority of grain being shipped to Europe instead of Africa, I believe.

 

I don’t know why Russia wants to steal Ukraine’s grain as it has much more grain than Ukraine but unable to ship it out, I believe.

[steven100]

35 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

If I was Zelensky I would place long-range missiles I had just thrown the Russians out close to the Russian border, and I would start raining missiles down on Russian towns and Russian Citys in retaliation for what Putin is doing in Ukraine.

absolutely correct ....  what gives Russia any right to invade another country to murder and destroy it's infrastructure.   Land a few long range one's in Moscow. 

[Gweiloman]

2 minutes ago, steven100 said:

nonsense .... how was Russia threatened by NATO.  NATO would not attack Russia for no reason.  Russia invaded Ukraine with the idea of taking more land and annexing all of Ukraine,  simple as that.

 

You could be right. 

[BarraMarra]

You singing from Putin's song sheet again blaming NATO. There are many videos of Russian Wagons driving through Ukraine with stolen Grain and wheat from Sattelite imagery showing Russian Cargo ships transporting grain from Ukraine. Theft probably transported all the fridges and washers Russin troops stole from houses they looted in Ukraine in there ships to.

[BarraMarra]

Correct Gweiloman usually Other Countries invade other countries to stop the slaughter of civilians or in the case of the Falkland Islands doing what Russia has done to Ukraine ie invade another country. We in the UK did not bomb and kill the Falkland islanders or smash their infrastructure we took on the Argentine army on the ground, not civilians. Russia cannot fight against the Ukraine forces big difference. Would you like to tell us what other Countries have seized another Country and colonized it for themselves? by that I mean in our lifetime, not hundreds of years ago.

Edited November 1, 2022 by BarraMarra

[BarraMarra]

Do you know what deflection means? It's what your doing now Gweiloman name a conflict where a strong Country took over another Country or withdraw your post.

[Rimmer]

Off topic Troll, argumentative, baiting, and bickering posts all from the same member have been removed.

 

Keep up this pointless baiting and bickeringand there will be consequences.

[BarraMarra]

If you post a comment be prepared to support your post otherwise don't post nonsense, " Whataboutism " or deflect. 

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Fuel prices soaring is due to sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas

Because they invaded another country against all the norms of present day (not historical) civilization!

[DezLez]

37 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

We in the UK did not bomb and kill the Falkland islanders or smash their infrastructure

To be fare neither did the Argentinians, in the most part!

[BarraMarra]

Correct DezLez I tried to explain the difference in a conflict between two different nations in a war. A war in my opinion is 1 nation fighting another nation until 1 is defeated with Arms. Russia is not fighting a conventional war there using civilians to defeat Ukraine for what purpose?