Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, Saanim said:

How are they neutral when they have joined the EU on all 7 sanction packages? 

Neutral as in not declaring war on anyone else for a long time.

I'm a bit surprised that they aligned themselves with the west though, unless they think it won't come back to bite them.

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A Ukraine apartment building has suffered the deadliest civilian attack in months - with 29 people killed after a Russian missile strike.

The confirmed death toll of the Dnipro strike rose to 29 on Sunday (January 15) as rescue workers scrambled to reach survivors in the rubble, the regional governor reported.

[Bkk Brian]

Hate to be the bearer of dismal news.............................

 

Repaired German Leopard tanks for Ukraine won’t be ready till 2024, says arms maker

Repairing the tanks it has in stock will cost several hundred million euros, and the company cannot begin doing so before the order is confirmed, Rheinmetall chief executive Armin Papperger told the German newspaper Bild.

“The vehicles must be completely dismantled and rebuilt,” he said.

Germany has become one of Ukraine’s top military supporters in response to Russia’s invasion, overcoming a taboo rooted in its bloody 20th century history on sending weapons to conflict zones.

https://www.straitstimes.com/world/europe/repaired-german-leopard-tanks-for-ukraine-won-t-be-ready-till-2024-says-arms-maker

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Black Ops said:

A Ukraine apartment building has suffered the deadliest civilian attack in months - with 29 people killed after a Russian missile strike.

The confirmed death toll of the Dnipro strike rose to 29 on Sunday (January 15) as rescue workers scrambled to reach survivors in the rubble, the regional governor reported.

Actually, the Russian missile was allegedly not aimed on apartments but on energy equipment somewhere. 

 

Few sources - among them medusa.io that is really no pro-Putin friend - quoted Alexei Arestovich, adviser to Zelenskyy, saying that the missile that fell down on a nine-story residential building in Dnipro was shot down by Ukrainian air defence forces. He later backtracked his statement.

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Neutral as in not declaring war on anyone else for a long time.

I'm a bit surprised that they aligned themselves with the west though, unless they think it won't come back to bite them.

They are neutral when they can supply their precise weapons to any country able to pay. WW 1 and 2, in-between and afterwards.  

[rudi49jr]

11 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Actually, the Russian missile was allegedly not aimed on apartments but on energy equipment somewhere. 

 

Few sources - among them medusa.io that is really no pro-Putin friend - quoted Alexei Arestovich, adviser to Zelenskyy, saying that the missile that fell down on a nine-story residential building in Dnipro was shot down by Ukrainian air defence forces. He later backtracked his statement.

So firing missiles at an ‘energy equipment’ is perfectly okay with you? Millions of people having no gas, electricity or heat in the dead of winter is perfectly okay with you? And you wonder why the Ukrainians hate Russia so much….

[Saanim]

Just straightening the news a bit. Surely, no missiles firing is okay with me.  No need to fire it on me, I did not start the war and I do not support the war as others. 

A straightening of the news is not okay for you?  

 

[rudi49jr]

3 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Just straightening the news a bit. Surely, no missiles firing is okay with me.  No need to fire it on me, I did not start the war and I do not support the war as others. 

A straightening of the news is not okay for you?  

 

What you call ‘straightening the news’ is spinning the news to suit your narrative. And as for not supporting the war (the Russian side of it, that is): almost all of your previous posts suggest otherwise. 

[Saanim]

9 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

What you call ‘straightening the news’ is spinning the news to suit your narrative. And as for not supporting the war (the Russian side of it, that is): almost all of your previous posts suggest otherwise. 

It's not me who is spinning the news. And the narrative was not mine. That the truth is not always pleasant for somebody to read is not my problem. 

 

Of course I too do not approve of missiles firing on energy systems. But it always happens in any war, haven't you known about such wars?

Hopefully, it was not you who was involved in something like that.     

[jvs]

Christine Lambrecht  ,German minister of Defense has stepped down.

She blundered a few times and was not really up to date with all of the facts.

hope fully they can find some one who keeps supporting the Ukraine

and send more real help.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

What you call ‘straightening the news’ is spinning the news to suit your narrative. And as for not supporting the war (the Russian side of it, that is): almost all of your previous posts suggest otherwise. 

Of course its news spinning, making a claim with no link with the excuse that's its been deleted is worthless.

 

Back in the real world:

 

Ukraine unable to shoot down Kh-22 missiles, says Air Force

Ukraine's air defense is unable to shoot down Kh-22 missiles, the type of missile Russia used in a recent attack on the Ukrainian city of Dnipro on Jan. 14, Ukraine’s Air Force Command said on Facebook on Jan. 15.

Five Kh-22 cruise missiles were fired from five Tu-22M3 long-range Russian bombers during the Jan. 14 mass missile attack. Additional missiles were launched from Russia’s Kursk Oblast and the Sea of Azov.

One of the Kh-22 missiles, which was launched from Kursk Oblast at about 3:30 p.m. on Jan. 14, hit a high-rise residential building in the city of Dnipro.

https://english.nv.ua/nation/air-defense-cannot-shoot-down-russian-kh-22-missiles-ukraine-war-50297621.html

Edited January 16, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Saanim said:

Just straightening the news a bit. Surely, no missiles firing is okay with me.  No need to fire it on me, I did not start the war and I do not support the war as others. 

A straightening of the news is not okay for you?  

 

did you ever provided a link to any of your "news"

[ozimoron]

Expect a false flag incident in Belarus very soon.

 

Russia and Belarus began joint air force exercises on Monday, amid concern Minsk may start participating in the conflict in Ukraine directly, as Kyiv's intelligence said Russia is planning a renewed war push in 2023.

 

Lukashenko agreed in October 2022 to create a joint "regional grouping of troops" with Russia, saying the decision was made in response to provocations by the NATO military alliance on its border with Ukraine, and Ukrainian plans to attack Belarus.

Since then, Russia has been sending military equipment to Belarus. The two nations also extended joint military drills on January 8 amid fears that Minsk is being pressured to join the war.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-belarus-joint-air-force-drills-ukraine-war-1774013

[Saanim]

2 hours ago, Mavideol said:

did you ever provided a link to any of your "news"

Was it a question? Many links I provided you have obviously missed to see. And many that have been disappeared. 

And if you read properly my post the news name - not Russian friendly - I have provided, here is the full link if it is allowed:

https://meduza.io/feature/2023/01/15/aleksey-arestovich-soobschil-chto-rossiyskuyu-raketu-razrushivshuyu-dom-v-dnepre-mogla-sbit-ukrainskaya-pvo-a-zatem-zayavil-chto-skazal-ob-etom-zasypaya-na-hodu

 

And here it is in English, also about the later retraction of the story:

https://news.russia.postsen.com/covid-19/166259.html

 

Also on other forums... Who wants to know can search, can't he? 

[rudi49jr]

 

[bannork]

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/16/europe/europe-putin-warm-winter-intl/index.html

Even the weather is against Putin.

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[ozimoron]

High-ranking member of Russian private military contractor Wagner Group seeks asylum in Norway

 

Mr Medvedev reportedly has told a Russian human rights group that he is ready to tell everything he knows about the Wagner Group, its activities and its owner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, a millionaire with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-17/high-ranking-wagner-group-member-seeks-asylum-in-norway/101861878

[rudi49jr]

Putin orders new commander to seize Donbas by March. So I’m guessing we’re going to see another change in command at the beginning of April…

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Latest Update from the UK Ministry of Defence which has reference to the strike on the block of flats at Dnipro and the false claim by Russia that a Ukraine air defence missile was responsible.

 

(1/7) On 14 January 2023, Russia resumed long-range missile strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, the first in approximately 15 days, launching tens of missiles.

(2/7) As with the previous eight waves of strikes since 11 October 2022, Russia primarily targeted the Ukrainian electricity grid.

(3/7) An AS-4 KITCHEN large anti-ship missile, launched from a Tu-22M3 BACKFIRE medium bomber, highly likely struck a block of flats in Dnipro city which resulted in the death of at least 40 people.

(4/7) Russia falsely implied a Ukrainian air defence missile was responsible. KITCHEN is notoriously inaccurate when used against ground targets as its radar guidance system is poor at differentiating targets in urban areas.

(5/7) Similar weapons have been responsible for other incidents of civilian mass-casualties, including the Kremenchuk shopping centre strike of 27 June 2022.

(6/7) While some missiles such as KITCHEN are unsuitable for precision strike, evidence from the Ukraine war suggests that dysfunction of Russia’s long-range strike capability is more profound.

(7/7) It highly likely struggles to dynamically identify targets, and to access rapid and accurate battle damage assessment.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1615234018164760576

 

Edited January 17, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[bannork]

31 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Latest Update from the UK Ministry of Defence which has reference to the strike on the block of flats at Dnipro and the false claim by Russia that a Ukraine air defence missile was responsible.

 

(1/7) On 14 January 2023, Russia resumed long-range missile strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure, the first in approximately 15 days, launching tens of missiles.

(2/7) As with the previous eight waves of strikes since 11 October 2022, Russia primarily targeted the Ukrainian electricity grid.

(3/7) An AS-4 KITCHEN large anti-ship missile, launched from a Tu-22M3 BACKFIRE medium bomber, highly likely struck a block of flats in Dnipro city which resulted in the death of at least 40 people.

(4/7) Russia falsely implied a Ukrainian air defence missile was responsible. KITCHEN is notoriously inaccurate when used against ground targets as its radar guidance system is poor at differentiating targets in urban areas.

(5/7) Similar weapons have been responsible for other incidents of civilian mass-casualties, including the Kremenchuk shopping centre strike of 27 June 2022.

(6/7) While some missiles such as KITCHEN are unsuitable for precision strike, evidence from the Ukraine war suggests that dysfunction of Russia’s long-range strike capability is more profound.

(7/7) It highly likely struggles to dynamically identify targets, and to access rapid and accurate battle damage assessment.

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1615234018164760576

 

A Ukraine air defence missile would never have caused so much damage.

Meanwhile, soldiers on the front line hope for modern tanks.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64294653

 

[jvs]

Andrej Medvedev a former commandant of the Wagner group has

asked for asylum in Norway and promised to tell everything he knows.

Putin is not going to like that.

[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Putin orders new commander to seize Donbas by March. So I’m guessing we’re going to see another change in command at the beginning of April…

 

 

on or before 555

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Andrej Medvedev a former commandant of the Wagner group has

asked for asylum in Norway and promised to tell everything he knows.

Putin is not going to like that.

he's days may be counted, he should be careful what's eating/drinking, Novichok still around

 

What Is Novichok, the Poison That Nearly Killed a Russian Ex-Spy?

a type of nerve agent had poisoned the former spy, Sergei Skripal, 66, and his daughter Yulia Skripal, 33

 

https://www.livescience.com/62001-novichok-poisoned-former-russian-spy.html

[bannork]

10 hours ago, ozimoron said:

High-ranking member of Russian private military contractor Wagner Group seeks asylum in Norway

 

Mr Medvedev reportedly has told a Russian human rights group that he is ready to tell everything he knows about the Wagner Group, its activities and its owner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, a millionaire with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-17/high-ranking-wagner-group-member-seeks-asylum-in-norway/101861878

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64296979

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[bannork]

Beware of Unit 29155

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/1/17/europe-awakens-to-the-threat-of-sabotage-by-russian-agents

[tgw]

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

High-ranking member of Russian private military contractor Wagner Group seeks asylum in Norway

 

Mr Medvedev reportedly has told a Russian human rights group that he is ready to tell everything he knows about the Wagner Group, its activities and its owner, Yevgeny Prigozhin, a millionaire with ties to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-17/high-ranking-wagner-group-member-seeks-asylum-in-norway/101861878

did some reading, and it seems the "high ranking commander" was in fact a platoon commander. is that really a high rank ?

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, tgw said:

did some reading, and it seems the "high ranking commander" was in fact a platoon commander. is that really a high rank ?

The Australian ABC article described him as "high ranking".

 

He said that Mr Medvedev is a former soldier in the Russian army and that he later served time in prison between 2017 and 2018 before joining the Wagner Group.

He was placed in charge of a Wagner division in Ukraine, where the mercenary group supplied him with around 30-40 troops every week, Mr Osechkin said.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64296979