My main gripe with Thailand. Why I am so <deleted> at the Thais and why I ultimately left.

[Andre0720]

45 minutes ago, Thailand said:

Prolific poster?

Oh yes. Someone can become a prolific poster by posting such useless information.

[Andre0720]

2 minutes ago, Mutt Daeng said:

Not sure what you mean. I believe in plain speaking. Please elaborate.

I mean that if you write in a way that might indicate that you lean on the side of people with flawed genetics, that it might create an impression on readers

[Iamfalang]

You can eat dog in Thailand.  Red flag, one.   Seeing 50 stray soi dogs a day.  Red flag number 2.  Dead animals on the road.  Three.    This story is sad, not surprising.    Maybe people are so poor they have neither the time nor money.  All Falangs have both.  We don’t have dog restaurants back home.  Generational, probably.   Back home we spend big money on animals for the breed certification.  Falang not same same everyone 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Iamfalang

[NanaSomchai]

29 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

I never have been & never will be an animal person, deal with it.

Neither am I. That's the thing.

[BE88]

You are not how lucky you were to have welcomed this poor dog who showed you that you were going the wrong way with your wife and with the people you thought were your friends because they gave you big smiles, this dog saved you maybe ten or more, maybe twenty years of your life to understand the people you lived with. Thank this dog who made you understand your situation quickly and who did you a great favor.

[Mutt Daeng]

3 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

I mean that if you write in a way that might indicate that you lean on the side of people with flawed genetics, that it might create an impression on readers

Ah, OK. Thanks for that pearl of wisdom.

[NanaSomchai]

9 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I wouldn't have minded that someone tried to get the 3000, that's human nature, but then for them to just leave the dog there to rot, and for the wife not to support you at all, shows a lack of respect. 

I'm going to phrase this poorly and I know generalizations suck but... unless I'm proven different and to this day, to me, a very large majority of the Thais have no respect for another's life.

 

There is only one thing; MONEY.

[NanaSomchai]

1 minute ago, BE88 said:

You are not how lucky you were to have welcomed this poor dog who showed you that you were going the wrong way with your wife and with the people you thought were your friends because they gave you big smiles, this dog saved you maybe ten or more, maybe twenty years of your life to understand the people you lived with. Thank this dog who made you understand your situation quickly and who did you a great favor.

I guess that's one way to look at it. Thanks for chiming in.

[Noisyaircon2020]

Nana Somchai, I am curious, what is your nationality? 

 

You state that English is not your first language yet your avatar aplears to be the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) logo, which implies that you are Scottish. And your English is fine.

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, NanaSomchai said:

Excuse me?

You have told a story of a mentally, deranged obsessed alien suffering from lack of cultural understanding, sensitivity or ability to integrate.  Mental breakdowns often start with an arrogant disregard for people around them..

You refused help or advice

Good luck telling your story when you get back home.

 

[NotReallyHere]

How much money did you save by leaving Pattaya 5 days early?  More than 3,000 THB?

 

How much money did you lose in the divorce?

 

Penny wise, pound foolish?

 

If you left, think the culture is sh!t and never plan on coming back, why are you still hanging around in these forums?  Time to move on, isn't it?

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, NanaSomchai said:

My first Thai wife and I, as she was from a rural issan village of course she asked me to buy her a chunk of land and build her a home, to which back then, I felt obligated to do, so I did.

 

I stopped reading after this, because I already knew the ending.  ????

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Leaver

[The Hammer2021]

9 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

Neither am I. That's the thing.

Yet you let a dog destroy your marriage and your relationship with your community

[NanaSomchai]

1 minute ago, Noisyaircon2020 said:

Nana Somchai, I am curious, what is your nationality? 

 

You state that English is not your first language yet your avatar aplears to be the SNP (Scottish Nationalist Party) logo, which implies that you are Scottish. And your English is fine.

English is not my first language no. And yes it is the SNP avatar. I hold triple nationality, one from my mother, one from my father and one from where I was born, all three different, but thanks.

[Jingthing]

Could I see the Cliff Notes version?

[The Hammer2021]

2 minutes ago, NotReallyHere said:

How much money did you save by leaving Pattaya 5 days early?  More than 3,000 THB?

 

How much money did you lose in the divorce?

 

Penny wise, pound foolish?

 

If you left, think the culture is sh!t and never plan on coming back, why are you still hanging around in these forums?  Time to move on, isn't it?

Many people who fail or lose in Thailand continue to hang out on these forums to promote their negative view of the place.

[NanaSomchai]

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

You have told a story of a mentally, deranged obsessed alien suffering from lack of cultural understanding, sensitivity or ability to integrate.

Wrong. I have told a story of an expat (the term alien is derogatory) with a heart who genuinely wanted to do "the right thing"(tm) and save a life, against his wife's wish.

 

Is that a crime?

 

[NanaSomchai]

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Yet you let a dog destroy your marriage and your relationship with your community

It wasn't my community, it was my wife's community. End of.

[Mutt Daeng]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Could I see the Cliff Notes version?

@Jingthing Who is Cliff Notes?

Please don't tell me that google is my friend.

Edited February 25, 2022 by Mutt Daeng

[connda]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Metal illness is easy for foreigners to find in rural Thai villages.

Yeah, it's not for everybody.  I prefer it, but I was a quite mad contrarian before moving out here so I now fit right in. 

 

1 hour ago, Thailand said:

Prolific poster?

One thousand, eight hundred and sixty-six.    Dude has been on a rip! 

Edited February 25, 2022 by connda

[Sametboy2019]

Some absolutely ridiculous replies on here to justify selfish, inhumane and greedy behaviour by the locals. 

[NanaSomchai]

8 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Many people who fail or lose in Thailand continue to hang out on these forums to promote their negative view of the place.

Or maybe they just want to give their vision of the place, specially after having spent 10+ years plus there.

 

I can tolerate a lot of things... including people using dogs as a "delicacy", in order to survive you do what you have to do, you eat what you have to eat.

 

But telling me the dog has passed away because of me, putting the burden on me all while trying to extort me or ransom me of 3,000 THB is clearly praying on the weak and I'm not even getting at the part where they left the corpse to rot a whopping 8 days under the scorching sun.

 

I could also tell you how disgruntled I felt being let down by my wife at the very moment I needed her support the most.

 

Now I am done trying to integrate into the Thai society or attempting to promote a positive way of the place, rather instead I deliberately point where they (the Thais) are wrong and there are a lot of things that are wrong and say... need... ummm... say... to be "improved".

 

I now see them for what they are.

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by NanaSomchai

[Will B Good]

Not strictly related........but the wife's family (pleasant people) recently took in two abandoned puppies, brother and sister.

 

I told the wife if the dogs are to stand a good chance of surviving they will need at least worming tablets if not vaccinations. 

 

The boy died last week, the girl last night........99% sure from worms. Both distended bellies and vomiting. 

 

Family didn't bat an eyelid having totally ignored my advice.....sad.

[NanaSomchai]

Just now, Sametboy2019 said:

Some absolutely ridiculous replies on here to justify selfish, inhumane and greedy behaviour by the locals. 

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

Where and when does the greed stop?

 

[ChC1]

I will go direct to the point:

 

You are the one to blame. It is entirely your fault.

 

1, When in Rome, do the Roman way. The same goes to say that Thai has different social value and etiquette compare to western societies. If you decide to settle in a Thai village, respect the people there and their way of life. Here is the question you should ask yourself, if your wife is living with you in your own country, would you expect your wife to bring her Thai village attitude towards stray dogs in your country?

 

2, You are totally wrong in dealing with stray dogs

Here in US, and some part of Europe, the correct way dealing with stray dogs is to call the animal control, they pick up the dogs, check for diseases, then it will either be exterminated or send to an animal welfare shelter where it may find a new owner. What you have done is absolutely dangerous to the society and people living around you. If you have concern, pay the local vet to take her in and check her up first. You may think you have done a wonderful thing, but from a public safety point of view, you are bring potential danger to your own family.

 

There are correct way to deal with stray dogs. Thailand can not do the western way to have animal welfare teams. Then if you want to deal with it on your own, you have to take the financial burden yourself. And you need to get professional help, by paying yourself. If you can't or don't want, you should have not get involved.

 

3, Asking family or friend to take the risk of infection to bury a dead dog without compensation is cruel for your own family and friend.

So here is the thing, you want your family and friend to voluntarily help you remove the dead dog, which could be infested with diseases or parasites. Yet you don't want to spend $100 as compensation for your family and friends to take the risks and time to help you. And then you blame them for being selfish. Right, the real selfish one if YOU. The dog died in your property, you are the one responsible for the mess. Your family and friends are not your employees, they have no obligation to help you. And to remove a dead body, even animal, is a dangerous job. It has nothing to do with animal welfare nor being nice or non-selfish. It is a process with risk. You are rather selfish to expect people should do it for free, 'for the greater good' as you implies. But again it is in your private property, it is your responsibility like your wife had warned you.  

 

4, You are the culprit yet you blame Thai culture for your own failure

You ignored your wife's warning and take the responsibility. Then someone is not charitable enough in your expectation you start to blame the Thai culture and society for the attitude on 'animal welfare'. But, the reality is you did not really thought it through. Western government has its rules and procedure in dealing with situation like this. If that failed there is animal welfare charity. But in all situation, all government's advice is you should never deal with stray animals yourself. You should not feed any animals that is not your pet or get close to a stray animal. Show me any laws or regulations from any western country says otherwise and I will eat my own words. The reality is that you did something wrong and you could not admit it because you thought you were doing a good thing. You are not. Like I said, you brought danger to the village and your own wife. You might have break the law of certain countries. 

 

Stop thinking yourself being the victim. If you really care, join a animal welfare charity or start one in Thailand. Don't blame others or the society for your own failure or something failed your unreasonable expectations. 

 

I don't think you are ignorance nor stupid. I do believe, however, you lack understandings of doing things correctly and you failed to see that your wife is actually more sensible and clever than you.

[crouchpeter]

16 hours ago, Mutt Daeng said:

If you really cared for the dog, you would have taken the time to bury it yourself and not be whining about having to pay someone to do the job for you.

<deleted> knows what you would be like if you had a REAL problem to deal with.

Have a nice day.

Another who didn't comprehend the fact that he couldn't bury the dog.

[NotReallyHere]

15 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

 

Where and when does the greed stop?

 

My goodness!  You keep going on and on about Thai "greed"...

 

We're talking about 3,000THB / $100!  Peanuts to perform a very unpleasant service on your behalf.  You should have considered yourself lucky.

 

 

[The Hammer2021]

1 hour ago, NanaSomchai said:

Did you even read? We were not in the village when our dog passed away, we were 790km away right in the middle of a business trip?

 

How would I have possibly buried it 790km away?

 

Please...

 

You could have paid a few quid and bought a bottle of whisky for the lads to Bury the dig and show good will to your neighbours. You achieved what you wanted and your dog was the excuse.

[NanaSomchai]

15 hours ago, ChC1 said:

You are the one to blame. It is entirely your fault.

Holy Moly that one hits like a truck.

 

15 hours ago, ChC1 said:

2, You are totally wrong in dealing with stray dogs

Here in US, and some part of Europe, the correct way dealing with stray dogs is to call the animal control, they pick up the dogs, check for diseases, then it will either be exterminated or send to an animal welfare shelter where it may find a new owner.

Not a chance of freezing in hell anyone would have cared for that dog, it was already in very poor shape as I explained in my post, fleas, mange, etc, clearly that dog would have been exterminated.

 

15 hours ago, ChC1 said:

3, Asking family or friend to take the risk of infection to bury a dead dog without compensation is cruel for your own family and friend.

So here is the thing, you want your family and friend to voluntarily help you remove the dead dog, which could be infested with diseases or parasites.

The poor thing died of old age, nothing else, geeze, how could it have been infested with parasites to begin with.

 

I'm sure however 8 days later when I picked the decaying corpse it was infested, I wore plastic gloves, used a bee mask, a large trash plastic bag to carry the corpse over, at no point my skin came in contact with the decaying body itself and I buried it in a hole behind the house.

 

Two years later I'm still here and still (physically) fine.

 

15 hours ago, ChC1 said:

4, You are the culprit yet you blame Thai culture for your own failure

You ignored your wife's warning and take the responsibility.

Yeah okay, not even worth reading to the end at this point

 

Your attitude is horrendous.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

17 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said:

It wasn't my community, it was my wife's community. End of.

You made it your community when you moved to the village.

I wonder why you did that. You don't have to explain yourself here but it seems strange to me that you moved with her to that village. It doesn't sound like you ever wanted to live there.